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Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)
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Burgos St Bear
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I agree. These are fundamental questions that should be part of an independent inquiry. Based on witness statements the abuse started right in the very early days of the CBC.
Ek_blue
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Give it a rest mate ffs.
Div1872
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Tom Grant (Director at same time as Kelly & McGinn)
Hugh Birt
Billy McNeil
Also the CBC officials who were named in 1991 after Cairney assaulted the boy in New Jersey. The Daily Record named them in an article years ago. It’s been posted on here.
Here is the 'complicit celtc cover up crew'. You would imagine celtc interviewed them all (still living of course) as part of their investigation?
So far the definitive list of those that knew about the existence of this peadophile ring and assisted in a 40 year cover up are:
Lawell.
Kelly.
Stein.
McCann.
Desmond.
Billy McNeil.
Macari.
Brady.
McGinn .
DORNAN
David Hay.
Tom Grant.
Hugh Burt.
Gerry McSherry.
Any more?
Oh and @ShawsyBear who's to say that it wasn't any of the above that signed NDA's????????
Now there's a thought eh?
So far the definitive list of those that knew about the existence of this peadophile ring and assisted in a 40 year cover up are:
Lawell.
Kelly.
Stein.
McCann.
Desmond.
Billy McNeil.
Macari.
Brady.
McGinn .
DORNAN
David Hay.
Tom Grant.
Hugh Burt.
Gerry McSherry.
Any more?
Oh and @ShawsyBear who's to say that it wasn't any of the above that signed NDA's????????
Now there's a thought eh?
Dougie Gray
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If I might say, you are coming across as very "defensive" in your posts.
Blue Steel
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So many ,so eager , to disprove the NDAs are genuine , why ? Very suspect .
the voice
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Why wouldn’t they use NDAs, as this article frighteningly describes, they have been part of the satanic playbook of the Catholic Church for decades.
“But not much compares to their use by the Catholic Church.
It has employed NDAs as a major tool to cover up its scandalous abuse of power and the serial sexual molestation of thousands of children by priests and bishops around the world over several decades.
Thanks to non-disclosure agreements, the church kept the number of incidents and the cost of settlements secret.
Some experts estimate that the Church has paid out between $400 million and $1 billion over the last 20 years to buy the silence of the abused.
In 1997, for example, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Albany paid $1 million to a citizen who accused a priest of plying him with alcohol and drugs while sexually abusing him for six years.
The settlement bound the abused to secrecy, and it didn’t require the authorization of the diocese’s eight-member board.
The damnable contract of silence insulated the diocese from any accountability and left the abusive priest in his position.
The church has repeated the same immoral behaviour everywhere, but most notoriously in predominately Catholic cities such as Boston and Philadelphia.
In August, a Pennsylvania grand jury report described in harrowing detail how six dioceses in Pennsylvania covered up the abuse of a thousand children by nearly 300 “predator priests.”
The grand jury found that the church had an almost Satanic playbook for concealing the abuse. Documents never mentioned rape but talked about “boundary issues” or “inappropriate contact.” Properly trained and independent personnel never did the investigations. Clerics excused the bad behaviour of fellow clerics.
Last but not least, if a predator’s conduct became known to the community, the grand jury report said, the response was not to “remove him from the priesthood to ensure that no more children will be victimized. Instead, transfer him to a new location where no one will know he is a child abuser.”
Then came the confidentiality agreements.
The grand jury found that various dioceses “had discussions with lawyers regarding the sexual conduct of priests with children and made settlements with victims.”
“These settlements contained confidentiality agreements forbidding victims from speaking about the abuse under threat of some penalty, such as legal action to recover previously paid settlement monies.”
Ryan Philp, a U.S. legal scholar, has argued that the church’s abuse of contracts of silence must end.
“Courts must recognize their duty to scrutinize any agreement that would sacrifice safety in favor of secrecy… the non-disclosure agreements used in the Catholic Church settlements pose obvious dangers to public health and safety by depriving society of vital information.”
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/10/18/How-Non-Disclosure-Become-Cancer-Democracy/
If NDAs exist then Celtic are finished, no one can spin it any other way for them.
“But not much compares to their use by the Catholic Church.
It has employed NDAs as a major tool to cover up its scandalous abuse of power and the serial sexual molestation of thousands of children by priests and bishops around the world over several decades.
Thanks to non-disclosure agreements, the church kept the number of incidents and the cost of settlements secret.
Some experts estimate that the Church has paid out between $400 million and $1 billion over the last 20 years to buy the silence of the abused.
In 1997, for example, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Albany paid $1 million to a citizen who accused a priest of plying him with alcohol and drugs while sexually abusing him for six years.
The settlement bound the abused to secrecy, and it didn’t require the authorization of the diocese’s eight-member board.
The damnable contract of silence insulated the diocese from any accountability and left the abusive priest in his position.
The church has repeated the same immoral behaviour everywhere, but most notoriously in predominately Catholic cities such as Boston and Philadelphia.
In August, a Pennsylvania grand jury report described in harrowing detail how six dioceses in Pennsylvania covered up the abuse of a thousand children by nearly 300 “predator priests.”
The grand jury found that the church had an almost Satanic playbook for concealing the abuse. Documents never mentioned rape but talked about “boundary issues” or “inappropriate contact.” Properly trained and independent personnel never did the investigations. Clerics excused the bad behaviour of fellow clerics.
Last but not least, if a predator’s conduct became known to the community, the grand jury report said, the response was not to “remove him from the priesthood to ensure that no more children will be victimized. Instead, transfer him to a new location where no one will know he is a child abuser.”
Then came the confidentiality agreements.
The grand jury found that various dioceses “had discussions with lawyers regarding the sexual conduct of priests with children and made settlements with victims.”
“These settlements contained confidentiality agreements forbidding victims from speaking about the abuse under threat of some penalty, such as legal action to recover previously paid settlement monies.”
Ryan Philp, a U.S. legal scholar, has argued that the church’s abuse of contracts of silence must end.
“Courts must recognize their duty to scrutinize any agreement that would sacrifice safety in favor of secrecy… the non-disclosure agreements used in the Catholic Church settlements pose obvious dangers to public health and safety by depriving society of vital information.”
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2018/10/18/How-Non-Disclosure-Become-Cancer-Democracy/
If NDAs exist then Celtic are finished, no one can spin it any other way for them.
RockyFlintstone
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How do you know this?
Cromwells Tackity Boot
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“It (Torbett’s crimes) was an open secret at Parkhead”
Billy McNeil, Evening Times 13th November 1998
Hope that doesn't disappoint you too much mate. Plenty of blogs on the subject.
https://themanthebheastscanttame.wo...hiles-at-three-clubs-where-he-managed-part-1/
Aspley1 Ger
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Craigie
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In fairness we need to see the original or archived newspaper story with this quote included.
Laudrup1
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Re Jackson's article - Lawwell hasn't been placed in an impossible situation. He's created this situation himself by, instead of fronting up to the horrific crimes committed under the watch of that club and their subsequent decades of cover up, he's furthered the cover up by refusing to tackle it before the point they've reached now.
Spare me the tears for him.
Spare me the tears for him.
Stez64
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Wow, when was the last time the Chamber of Secrets was photographed with a puddle in front of it .
I think Lawwell has lost his poodles
Cromwells Tackity Boot
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I'm sure that if it was untrue the Bheasts would've been on it and the blog shut down years ago.
Mason Boyne
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Tommy Burns was best buds with one.
If McNeill knew that it was an open secret, then the entire first team squad of that era must also have known.
Would that include Dalglish?
If McNeill knew that it was an open secret, then the entire first team squad of that era must also have known.
Would that include Dalglish?
Blue Steel
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Puff piece by Jackson , more interest in lauding the mentally challengeds quest for 10 titles than justice for the victims , please please Peter give the victims a pittance and make it all go away , well Jackson it won’t all go back to normality , the arrogance of the actions by Celtic and the distain for the victims involved means , that this is a fight that some will continue to the bitter end .
jf1960
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You missed Fergus McCann mate
Craigie
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I'm not saying it's not accurate. It is always better to have the article to silence those who doubt it.
Stez64
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I may be wrong, but I think @Hillheadbear has a copy of the original article
SuperGers07
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every day, something new comes out on this sordid era.
The current celtic hierarchy are denying Andrew Gray was ever a CBC player. shameful.
The current celtic hierarchy are denying Andrew Gray was ever a CBC player. shameful.
Aspley1 Ger
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Keith Jackson has surpassed himself with this sympathetic article saying how difficult Lawwell must have found the abuse situation and that these were acts from earlier times.
The only thing Lawwell has found difficult is to admit that Celtic had a paedophile ring operating on its premises and that they allowed a known paedophile back to abuse further boys.
The level of abuse has been known for years and no action has been taken to ensure the well being of the victims which has resulted in death for some poor victims so traumatised by the horrors that they had to endure that life became unbearable.
How many young victims have resorted to alcohol and drugs to cope and have been unable to have a normal family life because of the abuse they suffered.
If Celtic had done what they should have done when the first found out about Torbett and Cairney how many young lives could have been saved from abuse. at Celtic and other clubs.
The only thing Lawwell has found difficult is to admit that Celtic had a paedophile ring operating on its premises and that they allowed a known paedophile back to abuse further boys.
The level of abuse has been known for years and no action has been taken to ensure the well being of the victims which has resulted in death for some poor victims so traumatised by the horrors that they had to endure that life became unbearable.
How many young victims have resorted to alcohol and drugs to cope and have been unable to have a normal family life because of the abuse they suffered.
If Celtic had done what they should have done when the first found out about Torbett and Cairney how many young lives could have been saved from abuse. at Celtic and other clubs.
jf1960
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No blame for Peter Lawell he says really .... He has been there for x amount of years and not once in that time he didn't hear the rumours about CFC/CBC or heard that several ex employees have been convicted in the past. He if we believe you Keith didn't know any of this, was Peter Lawell not at Celtic when they were paying a £1m payment to The Trophy Centre whose Directors included a convicted paedophile and 2 x Celtic Directors.
ps Keith it's not you that's doing the secret investigation is it ?
jf1960
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Where is this mate Thanks ?
jf1960
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There is a dispute mate that the Billy McNeil quote was added on at a later date don't know myself I always thought he said it
Dickens Cider
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Close them down burn it way fire. Rotten to the core.
Grigo Yossarian
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Birt died in 2013 but he was the man who originally gave them 14 names that concerned him, and that McSherry still pushes on.
To be fair, he tried to be part of the resolution and wasn’t part of the problem.
Grigo Yossarian
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New thread started by GG this morning mate.
Sorry I’m totally not been following this - did someone agree to an NDA?
Grigo Yossarian
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Burns spoke up for Frank Cairney mate.
Goggs21
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It’s in the record article above headlined Astonishing and disrespectful
SuperGers07
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todays record, interview with the lads mum
El Buble
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Several on this forum have alluded to stuff breaking and you spouted the same, now with everyday more stuff coming out you still spout from your keyboard. Perhaps you just avoid this story so you don't need to be a doubting Thomas every day? You're becoming boring. Several people on this thread know exactly what is out there and who has been spoken to, you seem upset that you aren't in the know.
Exactly! How long has Lawell been in post?? How long has he known?? If he was so concerned for the victims he should have done something about it then. He is as much to blame as previous regimes. Disgrace of a man.
Buffalo
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Burns claimed "All of Celtic" were behind Cairney.
McCann went through him and publically said they were not.
Burns knew all right, he knew all of it.
Alcatraz Loyal
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I think we need to stop talk of affidavits and NDAs for now, especially any talk as though they definitely exist.
I'm not saying they don't, but since they were first mentioned in this thread it has grown arms and legs to the point people now expect them to appear and soon and could end up very disappointed. Again I'm not saying they don't exist, in fact it would make sense to me if they do, but given the political and media clout the filth enjoy they may never see the light of day, so unless jf1960, or anyone else for that matter, can produce evidence of their existence then any talk about them is no more than speculation.
Again, no offence or disrespect meant to anyone, I really mean that, but unless you're happy to just take it as speculation maybe it's time to move away from that kind of talk. There's plenty about the subject to talk about that's already a matter of public record.
I'm not saying they don't, but since they were first mentioned in this thread it has grown arms and legs to the point people now expect them to appear and soon and could end up very disappointed. Again I'm not saying they don't exist, in fact it would make sense to me if they do, but given the political and media clout the filth enjoy they may never see the light of day, so unless jf1960, or anyone else for that matter, can produce evidence of their existence then any talk about them is no more than speculation.
Again, no offence or disrespect meant to anyone, I really mean that, but unless you're happy to just take it as speculation maybe it's time to move away from that kind of talk. There's plenty about the subject to talk about that's already a matter of public record.
Laudrup1
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I don't agree. If jf1960 says they exist, given what he's shown to be aware of and allowed to post on this thread so far, that's good enough for me.
He's hardly going to publish it on here when a family has it and will be under legal advice regarding it.
It's then on the person reading it to control themselves in a manner that befits that information. If people go OTT, that's nothing to do with the information provided.
People rushing to a conclusion in all of this will just have to wait and let hopeful justice take place.
Grigo Yossarian
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Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
Precisely, I believe both @jf1960 and @Haining84 on this one.
In the case of the document held by the Solicitor I can fully understand them wanting to hang onto it if and until they get to Court. Its the correct thing to do from their perspective. I'm less understanding of why the Daily Record would want to hold back the document they have.
jweebear
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It a message board not a court of law we're on, if a posters says there is NDA's or Affidavits that can nail the filth, i for one want to believe it. If it turns out there weren't any, so what, doesn't change the narrative that the filth had a Paedophile Ring and the covered it up. I say talk away about them and hammer the Paedo facilitators and enablers Celtic FC.
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deedle
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There have been a couple of discussions recently about this quote and citation. I believe it to be falsely attributed to Billy McNeill and no-one as yet has come up with evidence it was ever printed in the Evening Times.
An identical quote - it was an open secret - came from a relative of one of the CBC victims and was printed in the Daily Record in 1996. The Record at that time was delving into the CBC scandal (as was Scotland on Sunday).
Cromwells Tackity Boot
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Cheers bud. Missed those discussions. Thanks for clearing things up.
jf1960
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Thats shocking
Kingdom Bear
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Nothing should really shock anyone about that vile club anymore mate
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Timskelper
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In this situation, covering up a crime, very little I'd imagine.
The woman who worked in CFC for many years and was sexually harassed for what seems like most of them (Donna Quinn?), signed a NDA. The story appeared in the Daily Record, probably from her and I've heard nothing of her being sued, etc for it.
Ok sorry Mr Staunch, why sic? That’s his name.
