Grigo Yossarian
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It would certainly fit into the car crash that became of his life
You know who it was LTD ?
It would certainly fit into the car crash that became of his life
Maybe this is why Rangers have been advised to say nothing about the club like no other.
We should as a support be urging our club to do the right thing here without any delay. If we are in any way liable then pay the money they deserve without quibble while offering a full public apology. Let's lead from the front and show the world why we are the people!
Personally I find this difficult to believe for a variety of reasons, but primarily, if this was the case and there was a large audience you would expect this to have wider exposure given the person said to be involved.For my money, this is a wind up and nothing else.bumped into a few guys i know when out and about last night out. They were at a charity event last night in ( the social) royal exchange square.
The guest speakers were Tam Cowan, Smudger, Frank mcgarvey, and some other ref. Apparently mcgarvey went up and didn’t do any funny stuff and just spoke about his life and went on to tell a big audience that he was abused in the showers by torbett. The guy told me everyone was mortified and the place just went quiet and tam Cowan got up and said some kind of joke to lighten the atmosphere. Just wondering if anyone was there and would like to verify this.
It would certainly fit into the car crash that became of his life
You know who it was LTD ?
bumped into a few guys i know when out and about last night out. They were at a charity event last night in ( the social) royal exchange square.
The guest speakers were Tam Cowan, Smudger, Frank mcgarvey, and some other ref. Apparently Mcgarvey went up and didn’t do any funny stuff and just spoke about his life and went on to tell a big audience that he was abused in the showers by Torbett. The guy told me everyone was mortified and the place just went quiet and tam Cowan got up and said some kind of joke to lighten the atmosphere. Just wondering if anyone was there and would like to verify this.
Maybe this is why Rangers have been advised to say nothing about the club like no other.
When were Rangers advised this?
There's one on the run just nowThere were 14 potential Paedophiles on a list given by Hugh Birt of Celtic BC to the club mate.
Additionally Gerry McSherry then pursued that same list with them.
He is correct.
Not named - surely a threat to society ?There's one on the run just now
Any celtic fan that still supports that club doesn’t give a shit about abused children. Their only concern is how to get away with it, which has been their mindset from the start.
Maybe this is why Rangers have been advised to say nothing about the club like no other.
I see this as potential collateral damage and it is an inevitable consequence of the noise we are making about the paedo factory.
My view is that, if we are either legally or morally responsible, then we honour our responsibilities.
I would, however, suspect that we dealt with these individuals appropriately then we are not liable.
I know that some will say that we should lead by example, but if we settle when we have acted honourably at the time, then it will be used as a weapon with the inference being that we are guilty of wrongdoing.
Your wording in previous posts seems very strange. I think you’ll find that’s what people are picking up on. You also are insulting at times but yet you are sending pms to people.
can you provide proof they haven’t ? Or do you just make things up as you go along ?.We have??? Please provide proof of this.
Or do you just make things up as you go along?
So that is No then correct ?He was certainly charged and appeared at court.
We should absolutely do the right thing if there are any victims who were harmed by people in our employ.
You can see the press doing their best to make this a level issue across all clubs.
I've said for years that, while the level of the abuse at Celtic is clearly off the charts, it's the cover up which is the big story as they go specifically.
It's two separate issues. They should he compensating victims for the abuse as should all clubs.
They should he hammered separately for actively covering the abuse up and face sporting and financial sanctions on that basis. It won't happen though.
There's one on the run just now
bumped into a few guys i know when out and about last night out. They were at a charity event last night in ( the social) royal exchange square.
The guest speakers were Tam Cowan, Smudger, Frank mcgarvey, and some other ref. Apparently mcgarvey went up and didn’t do any funny stuff and just spoke about his life and went on to tell a big audience that he was abused in the showers by torbett. The guy told me everyone was mortified and the place just went quiet and tam Cowan got up and said some kind of joke to lighten the atmosphere. Just wondering if anyone was there and would like to verify this.
Like everyone else on this forum I am just sharing conversions with like minded bears . The fact there are intelligent mentally challengeds out there just shows what we are up against when they make their comments to me. I want to know what they are thinking. I want to know What they think of us. Then I can come into forums like this and share. I don’t socialise with them so work is the only place to communicate. I believe knowledge is power and the more of it the better. Of course they read our forums . There are lhurkers everywhere. Of course they know there are people working behind the scenes . I have never been near any of their forums but I could imagine that they have people working behind the scenes to kill us off again. Why is tonites news about our club such a surprise. It’s dog eat dog . I came onto this forum because I was sexually abused twice as a thirteen year old . Anyone on this forum who has also suffered knows what it is like to lose your innocence and have your power taken away from you. If something catches your eye in a suspicious way bluenose 94 then you can ask me to log out and never post again. One thing will never change for me you don’t choose to be a Rangers fan = YOU ARE BORN ONE.
Or it could mean he was a CFC player at the time , or it may be he has a peculiar mindset or it could be a dribble story ... we don’t knowCan anyone varify this?
McGarvey would be the most high-profile player ever to admit being abused at Celtic.
If as u say they wont face any sporting sanctions if found guilty of the cover ups then no team should play them |||||We should absolutely do the right thing if there are any victims who were harmed by people in our employ.
You can see the press doing their best to make this a level issue across all clubs.
I've said for years that, while the level of the abuse at Celtic is clearly off the charts, it's the cover up which is the big story as they go specifically.
It's two separate issues. They should he compensating victims for the abuse as should all clubs.
They should he hammered separately for actively covering the abuse up and face sporting and financial sanctions on that basis. It won't happen though.
There was a rumour a few weeks ago on twitter a player was going to talk about his abuse and it would be a name everyone knew.
Exactly, that mob are desperately trying to drag us into it, Rangers should be doing feck all just now. Don't know why posters are saying we should be doing the right thing etc, the right thing for what?
We know of two household first team names but McGarvey isn’t one of them.
Thanks for clarifying, Grigo.
I might be completely wrong (and biased) but I've always felt that if one child rapist, never mind 6, was convicted of being guilty of child rape at Rangers, or Rangers directors past and present were being accused of a complicit cover-up and facilitation of child rape, it would be front page news on most media outlets (including the government's own news channel).
Recent headlines from the BBC like "Celtic agree to compensate ex-footballer" haven't changed my opinion. Celtic haven't agreed to anything. They were taken to court by one individual (hopefully soon to be a lot more) kicking and screaming, and lost. They have told family members of dead ex-employees who were raped as children that they never even played for the club. They have claimed there have never been any accusations of child rape at all. They have claimed the boys club was a seperate entity. They have then claimed that there have been enquiries (into a seperate entity), and the allegations were scullirious. They have made large payments to a convicted paedophile who directors have claimed never to have ever had dealings with, contrary to open records at company house.
This is going to be the biggest sporting scandal of all time in my opinion. Since it started to break in major news outlets this year I don't think there's many on here surprised that part of Celtic's strategy might be to try and paint this as a problem of Scottish Football in general (including employing a PR firm to facilitate this). Once again I should add this may be my biased opinion.
One thing I'm sure of though it is vitally important that we have an independent inquiry.
I genuinely don't know if children aren't being raped at Celtic now. I also don't know who to raise this issue with (apart from everyone). The British Government say it's a Scottish Government issue. The Scottish Government has said nothing about it, apart from excluding it from it's historical child abuse enquiries (and has also said nothing about a serving MSP admitting being fully aware child rape was going on, and said nothing about a serving MSP equating child rape to a tax payment scheme ). The Scottish Police are having Child Protection Summits in the same building where children were abused and 7 members of staff of an inextricably linked organisation have been convicted for paedophile offences. If I send a complaint in to the SFA or UEFA my letter may land on the desk of the financial controller at the time a 1 million+ payment was made to one of the convicted paedophiles. Most of the Scottish media don't seem to be interested wheras I personally can't see how this can't be front page news. I genuinely do not know if child rape is still going on at Celtic Park.
I honestly think (biased again) that nothing like that happened at Rangers. If it did we would surely know about it. If it did though, I would hope we would lead the way in compensating as much as possible anyone who had experienced such a crime. I hope most of us on here would think the same which is a big difference between them and everyone else.
I'm really not surprised to see an article like this but I hope it can strengthen the call for a full and independent enquiry led by someone outside Scotland and also if possible the UK.
Tick tock
If true kudos to him for sharing his load. That would have taken guts.Cheers SC.
It might be true about McGarvey. I don’t personally know either way.
If true kudos to him for sharing his load. That would have taken guts.
How do you know there are quite a few at large . Do you have info you are not sharing with everyone . You are one for watching and I have never posted this comment before on this forum . Mmmmmmmmm
I doubt he will be posting again under that username!Still trying to catch up and now you're having a pop at LL. Jeez!
I always enjoy LL's posts as I'm sure quite a few fellow Bears do too. Yours on the other hand are all over the place. Never posted that comment before? You're only in the forum 5 minutes.
You're definitely one for watching.
No doubt you'll be at the forefront of yet another strange post as I read through them.
If true kudos to him for sharing his load. That would have taken guts.
Ask them if they would like to sign a petition calling for the GOVERNMENT to conduct an independent enquiry.Said this before on this subject . A large chunk of the fans of the club like no other either try to deflect , deny or go on the offensive. A lot of older fans of peado fc are desperate to win 10 in a row as they know it will never happen again in their lifetime. They are literally prepared to turn a blind eye to 50 years of horror at the chamber of secrets for the moment and take their punishment in two years time . As one said to me at work the other day “ we don’t care what happens. At least we will have won 10 in a row.”. Some of them hate the timing of all the amazing work going on by people behind the scenes. The convictions are also an inconvenience as per timing. I have acquaintances who are intelligent informed people and unfortunately support scum f.c. . They have made it quite clear to me that when the club like no other win 10 in row the money made from the sales of 10 in row d.v.d ,s should be given to the victims. Cos that will make everything o.k.
According to his interview on Si Ferry,he never played with anyone till 18 years of age.I don’t recall Frank MacGarvey playing for Celtic boys club.
I doubt he will be posting again under that username!
I don’t think that is correct .....According to his interview on Si Ferry,he never played with anyone till 18 years of age.
He just played on the streets with his pals.
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I think this is what he was referring to, GY
Hollicom?In hindsight I think if this had been said at a public event there would be more on social media about it.
Can anyone verify this?
McGarvey would be the most high-profile player ever to admit being abused at Celtic.
guy that told me last night is a Celtic fan. He said he couldn’t believe what he was hearing. I didn’t want to delve in too deeply and ask more questions but I thought there must be some out there that were at the event to verify it? Don’t do twitter but maybe someone could tam Cowan if he’s on it.Or it could mean he was a CFC player at the time , or it may be he has a peculiar mindset or it could be a dribble story ... we don’t know
Thats my feelings on it as well, we have nothing to hide,they have nothing to find other than what they already have and it was a certainty that Hollicom will attempt to exagerrate the smallest of things, on saying that, the work and effort put in by the bears has been outs standing, and i believe it should carry on, the attempt at smearing other Clubs, attacking Liverpool either not a good move,there will be more sticks and stones flung at us, our reply always should be, public enquiry, but for me and a lot of others , the scum just dont get it it genuinely has gone beyond point scoring that was the nineties, this is about a genuine, Rage, anger, sadness humility, empathy broken lives, bravery, courage, disgust,degredation evil,i could go on, for the Lurkers, till my dying breath i will never cease to expose the HOUSE OF SODOMY that is CELTIC and i believe that most of the Guys on here feel the same you just dont fluking get it, you have set another record, the most paedos at one club youre Clubs real historys reads like a Marquis de sade book,Exactly my point. Also paints a certain other team even more into the corner.
Thats my feelings on it as well, we have nothing to hide,they have nothing to find other than what they already have and it was a certainty that Hollicom will attempt to exagerrate the smallest of things, on saying that, the work and effort put in by the bears has been outs standing, and i believe it should carry on, the attempt at smearing other Clubs, attacking Liverpool either not a good move,there will be more sticks and stones flung at us, our reply always should be, public enquiry, but for me and a lot of others , the scum just dont get it it genuinely has gone beyond point scoring that was the nineties, this is about a genuine, Rage, anger, sadness humility, empathy broken lives, bravery, courage, disgust,degredation evil,i could go on, for the Lurkers, till my dying breath i will never cease to expose the HOUSE OF SODOMY that is CELTIC and i believe that most of the Guys on here feel the same you just dont fluking get it, you have set another record, the most paedos at one club youre Clubs real historys reads like a Marquis de sade book,
Nothing and no one is going to Detract from exposing the TRUTH
keep going lads they are Obviously clutching at straws and hurting,and what papers would you seek the Truth,The Times, or The sun,
Thats my feelings on it as well, we have nothing to hide,they have nothing to find other than what they already have and it was a certainty that Hollicom will attempt to exagerrate the smallest of things, on saying that, the work and effort put in by the bears has been outs standing, and i believe it should carry on, the attempt at smearing other Clubs, attacking Liverpool either not a good move,there will be more sticks and stones flung at us, our reply always should be, public enquiry, but for me and a lot of others , the scum just dont get it it genuinely has gone beyond point scoring that was the nineties, this is about a genuine, Rage, anger, sadness humility, empathy broken lives, bravery, courage, disgust,degredation evil,i could go on, for the Lurkers, till my dying breath i will never cease to expose the HOUSE OF SODOMY that is CELTIC and i believe that most of the Guys on here feel the same you just dont fluking get it, you have set another record, the most paedos at one club youre Clubs real historys reads like a Marquis de sade book,
Nothing and no one is going to Detract from exposing the TRUTH
keep going lads they are Obviously clutching at straws and hurting,and what papers would you seek the Truth,The Times, or The sun,
Cheers it is always good to get a wee pat on the back from experienced members, there are lots of people you meet in life who are intelligent but dont have the confidence to use such mediums as this, i am not putting myself in that bracket, but i will continue along with the bears to highlight the injustices and corruption and encourage others, the praise and thanks should belong to those at the buisiness end doing the hardwork for they have given voice to to the Victims and for sickened and disgusted people, who want to help, but are unsure how to do it,you have given us a platform and answers on how to help achieve this,Well said Brazil.
As THEY say ‘and if you know the history’ ?
WE DO. WE REALLY DO
You're right mate, I also think this will be the biggest sporting scandal of all time as well. Penn State was shocking, but this will blow everything else out of the water. It's quite incredible who's involved in this and I'm sure there will be a lot more well known people named in this too. That's a certainty.
Great post, but one thing stuck out for me if you don't mind me mentioning it. I'd substitute the word raped for abused. I think it gives it more clarity.
Again, I agree. If this was happening at Rangers, it would be wall to wall coverage, all over the media. Radio Celtic would also be discussing it with Shug being as vocal as he could.
Let's just hope this really starts to 'grow arms and legs' in the coming months and that it brings peace to all who have suffered through it.
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Cheers it is always good to get a wee pat on the back from experienced members, there are lots of people you meet in life who are intelligent but dont have the confidence to use such mediums as this, i am not putting myself in that bracket, but i will continue along with the bears to highlight the injustices and corruption and encourage others, the praise and thanks should belong to those at the buisiness end doing the hardwork for they have given voice to to the Victims and for sickened and disgusted people, who want to help, but are unsure how to do it,you have given us a platform and answers on how to help achieve this,
Multiple universe more like multiple personalitycan you provide proof they haven’t ? Or do you just make things up as you go along ?.
Still trying to catch up and now you're having a pop at LL. Jeez!
I always enjoy LL's posts as I'm sure quite a few fellow Bears do too. Yours on the other hand are all over the place. Never posted that comment before? You're only in the forum 5 minutes.
You're definitely one for watching.
No doubt you'll be at the forefront of yet another strange post as I read through them.
He needs to go and have a word with himselfMultiple universe more like multiple personality
LL! I’m getting paranoid now