haha...show me where i said that you Timmy Troll
Your lack of intelligence shows you up.
Gazza v Gerrard
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Your lack of intelligence shows you up.
So you think that Gazza genuinely made the most of his ability and out of his career then? Take his sack out your mouth for a moment and be sensible.
WinkieWATP
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I'm talking about the Holland game Italia90.
Have a read at John Motson telling you why Gazza was the best England player he commentated on.
You know you did. I'm not closed to being arsed to start browsing back in a thread to quote you just to prove you wrong and myself right.
Unicorn
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Yes, they were drawing 1-1 at the time.
While that’s wildly remembered, in England he’s also well remembered for the Cruyff turn against the Netherlands, the sublime cross for Platt’s winner against Belgium and the equally sublime pass for Linekar in the lead up to the winner against Cameroon. He lit up that tournament and reducing it to his tears is grossly unfair.
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So even if he was one of the tournaments better players, does that make him an England legend? To me 50 something (56?) caps only proves that for the talent he had his career wasn't quite what it could and should have been, both for club and on the International stage.
Probably because he was an enigma. A hugely gifted one.
Very true.
But I ask you this then. Who was the more complete player of the two? Which would you want in your side when the chips were down?
haha...why don't you just let rip with Sevcoooo? Then go back to Scotland on Sunday. You did well.
Such a sad life to lead though. I hope you have no children as i would feel for them
Unicorn
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He didn’t achieve everything he could/should have that’s beyond dispute.
What’s also beyond dispute is that he’s an absolute legend in England. Seen as a flawed genius. I lived in England for years and every football fan loves/admires him.
WinkieWATP
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So John Motson a very highly respected football commentator said Gazza was the best England player he commetated on because he was an enigma?
Did you even read what he said about him?
I said he was a flawed genius way back in this thread and got tore a second ass-hole.
So basically I would chose Gerrard over Gascoigne due to having more tools to his game and also being far more dependable, and mentally different gravy.
I've said that Gascoigne, brilliant as he was and if you're talking about talent alone there are few better, didn't make the absolute most out of his career for different reasons. I've also said he struggled mentally which is completely true and obviously a well known fact, and that's genuinely a big part of why he never became the player he often threatened he could become. 'Legends' of the game do it season after season for 10-15 years, not a few.
I'm still waiting for someone to attack my argument and opinions instead of just insulting me because he's a Rangers legend.
I've said that Gascoigne, brilliant as he was and if you're talking about talent alone there are few better, didn't make the absolute most out of his career for different reasons. I've also said he struggled mentally which is completely true and obviously a well known fact, and that's genuinely a big part of why he never became the player he often threatened he could become. 'Legends' of the game do it season after season for 10-15 years, not a few.
I'm still waiting for someone to attack my argument and opinions instead of just insulting me because he's a Rangers legend.
Actually scored 10 goals for England in 57 caps.
For a guy you said wasn’t dedicated enough still managed to play 468 club games scoring 110 goals.
Some players would give their life to play that many games at the highest level.
Gascoigne quite simply the most naturally gifted footballer Britain has ever produced.
29 years ago Italia 90 was and he’s still lauded for it to this day.
Danger Zone
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He didn’t due to a variety of circumstances, but that’s not the issue and it doesn’t change the fact he’s the most gifted footballer England have produced in a number of decades and you reducing his fame to crying at italia 90 and being “thick as pig shit and mentally weak” speaks volumes about you, both your lack of knowledge of Gascoigne’s career coupled with your lack of knowledge and sensitivity where mental illness and addiction are concerned, as well as your complete lack of respect for a Rangers legend.
The fact that you even asked someone to name a game where Gazza turned things around with a stellar individual display is fucking embarrassing coming from a ‘Rangers fan’. Given you seem completely unaware of one of the most iconic Rangers performances of all time and think he’s only remembered for crying at a World Cup at which he absolutely shone and marked himself out as a superstar, coming home with a level of a fame few England players have ever experienced, endorsements and money thrown at him left, right and centre, it’s no wonder you’re now having Timmy jibes thrown your way.
That's all well and good. I didn't see Italia 90 so can't comment myself on how good Gascoigne was. I'm happy to take people's word for it though that he was a sensation.
Now can come one make a realistic case for Gazza being a better player than Gerrard without just mentioning 'skill' ? Because the whole thread was based on the question who was the better of the two.
Now can come one make a realistic case for Gazza being a better player than Gerrard without just mentioning 'skill' ? Because the whole thread was based on the question who was the better of the two.
WinkieWATP
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Maybe Stewart Pierce also picks him as the best player he ever played with as he is an enigma also.
Unicorn
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Gazzamania it was called after Italia 90, he was a superstar.
I don’t remember Gerrardmania or Lampardmania after the 2002 or 2006 world cups where England did their usual of boring everyone to death before crashing out to the first decent team they met.
It’s ludicrous to claim Gazza isn’t an England legend.
WinkieWATP
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So you have no idea what the %^*& you are talking about then? How can you argue for so long and then admit you never even seen him at his best?
Stuart Pearce was hardly the brightest lamp in the street was he? His nickname was Physco for God's sake. Fair enough, he's entitled to his opinion. But it doesn't hold any weight as it's just that at the end of the day. He was a team-mate of Gazza too - He never played with Gerrard as he was before Steve's time.
WinkieWATP
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Anyone who thinks he isn't is a fucking buffoon
Carlton The Bear
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That first paragraph just shot your own argument to pieces.
If you’ve not seen both their careers, how can you seriously compare them?
I saw both. Gazza is the most naturally gifted and world class English player I have ever seen. And not just during his Rangers days. As someone else rightly said, only for his injuries etc we’d NEVER have been his level. Fact. We were blessed to have him. And add Laudrup on the same pitch. Dreams made of it.
WinkieWATP
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Pierces opinion doesn't hold weight but yours does over near enough everyone else on this thread?
So you have no idea what the %^*& you are talking about then? How can you argue for so long and then admit you never even seen him at his best?
Pretty sure in one of my first posts here in the thread that I could only go by what I've seen myself. We're not all 30/40+ years olds. But a tournament is only a handful of games all said and done.
Pierces opinion doesn't hold weight but yours does over near enough everyone else on this thread?
Never said it did? Settle down. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. Not just former footballers and people besotted with Paul Gascoigne.
So he was a more complete player than Gerrard was for Liverpool then you're saying?
Go on Youtube , click a video of gazza in his Tottenham days then come back and try to claim he wasn't a fantastic player.
Not more complete but definitely more of a flair player.
But where have I once said he wasn't a brilliant player? I'm actually getting confused now.
So you're agreeing completely with a comment I made earlier then!
WinkieWATP
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You said he wasn't an England legend and that's just plain wrong. Plenty England fans still wear the Gazza 19 shirt from Italia 90 because of the very fact he is an England legend.
Brliiant player? Gazza was world class
To simplify things. The way I see these two players, and admittedly I've seen much more of Gerrard than I have Gascoigne, it's like two lovely looking lasses standing next to each other. One of them has got an absolutely stonking rack. The ones on the other lady are fine, don't get me wrong, but those breasts just don't compare. However, the other lady has longer legs. A nicer ass. A prettier smile... Just overall the more complete package, and definitely the one you would take home to meet your parents.
To me, and it's only an opinion, Gascoigne is the lass with the mesmerising rack.
To me, and it's only an opinion, Gascoigne is the lass with the mesmerising rack.
Fair enough. He's an England legend. But I've not once said he wasn't a brilliant, hugely gifted player. People are starting to twist words now just to suit their own argument and agenda.
Grown men writing screeds and hurling abuse at one another over who was better out of two retired footballers - this thread went about how I expected.
Chocolateleftfoot
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What does more complete player even mean? Gerrard was better than Gazza because he could tackle? Zidane didn't tackle, was he better than him? Messi? Gazza was a better footballer because he could do things with a ball that Gerrard couldn't dream of. That's the argument. Not who had the best career or the most caps or show me your medals. Longevity? How long did we have peak Maradona? 3 or 4 years? George Best was done at 27.
Gerrard was a tremendous player, world class, but there's an argument that he's not even the best England midfielder of his own generation. Maybe not even second best.
As for the argument that the current England team is better than the 2000s, probably only Raheem Sterling would even get in it and if you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
Gerrard was a tremendous player, world class, but there's an argument that he's not even the best England midfielder of his own generation. Maybe not even second best.
As for the argument that the current England team is better than the 2000s, probably only Raheem Sterling would even get in it and if you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.
Robert Marshall
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2 fantastic footballers but I would have Souness over both
Danger Zone
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Even then it’s obviously an argument being made by a boy who hasn’t watched Gazza.
Gazza?
Passing? Check
Dribbling? Check
Quick? Check
Set pieces? Check
Goal threat? Check
Big game performances? Check
The only thing he doesn’t have is a problem free, injury free career and subsequent longevity.
I'm too tired for more talk on Gerrard and Gascoigne at the moment.
As for England, you're judging them on individual quality. If you're going by that then they should have been one of the top 3 or 4 sides in Europe. But they were largely horrendous in tournament football, especially after Sven. They were a bunch of individuals that clearly didn't like playing with each other due to club rivalry and also often looked terrified to being representing their country. England's current team look like they're enjoying the ride under Southgate and I'm standing by my point that they are a better team. The fact that they made a World Cup semi, regardless of who they played, a Nations League semi and are currently 4th I believe in the Fifa World Rankings only back up my belief.
You can rate Gascoigne, but I genuinely think you want him inside you or something. If you think Gascoigne was a better passer and also quicker than Gerrard, and also performed in big games like Gerrard didn't, then I'm genuinely worried about you and your mental state.
Danger Zone
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You but you know nothing about Gazza and aren’t old enough to have seen his career so your opinion isn’t valid. But look at the effort and time you’ve dedicated to fighting Gerrard’s corner in spite of not having seen the other player play, maybe it’s you who wants the gaffer baw deep. And by the way, that’s some serious repressed homosexuality you’ve displayed throughout this thread.
Gazza absolutely was quicker, and he was an intelligent passer and a master of sliding the ball in behind defences. I know because I’ve actually seen both players in question, both their careers and both of them in the flesh.
Carlton The Bear
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Here’s the deal though. By your own admission you haven’t seen Gazza at Italia 90. How much else haven’t you seen, based on stuff like the Sheep game, why he cried in 90, etc?
It’s like me trying to claim definitively that Laudrup was better than Jim Baxter.
I can’t, some older hands would argue Baxter was better and based on his legend that’s grand - but * I personally * can’t say they’re wrong, it was Laudrup!
TheRational1
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Ticketybloo
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Gazza by far.
Nae offence gaffer.
Nae offence gaffer.
Davidsmith1
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So many games for us.
A certain one against Aberdeen comes to mind. Real Rangers fans will know which one. You spout utter rubbish.
Davidsmith1
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I'm almost 50. I really hope that you are a tim cos if you are the new breed of Rangers fan we are all doomed.
Davidsmith1
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Id rather take home the one with the brain
What a stupid comparison.
