Quarter Of The Way Through Our League Campaign

Being level headed doesn't get you likes on social media though does it?

Maybe the forum is just reflective of society as a whole nowadays where everyone looks for a reaction / likes etc via social media posts.

Yeah that’s what is is, it’s all for likes and a bit of attention. It’s not like these points have been supported by undeniable facts or anything...

What a load of bollocks, but then weren’t you the one last season who said “aye but if we just ignore the mammoth points difference there’s not much between us and them”.

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Yeah that’s what is is, it’s all for likes and a bit of attention. It’s not like these points have been supported by undeniable facts or anything...

What a load of bollocks, but then weren’t you the one last season who said “aye but if we just ignore the mammoth points difference there’s not much between us and them”.

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What points and what undeniable facts?

When Celtic beat us at Parkhead I said there was virtually no gap between the two teams, irrespective of the points difference. The fact we are neck and neck this season with pretty much the same team as we had then (backed up by your post previously on this thread) kinda backs up that point does it not?
 
Yeah that’s what is is, it’s all for likes and a bit of attention. It’s not like these points have been supported by undeniable facts or anything...

What a load of bollocks, but then weren’t you the one last season who said “aye but if we just ignore the mammoth points difference there’s not much between us and them”.
The undeniable facts are the numbers that state we've played better than they have this season.

That's partly explained by us having a favourable home fixture list so early in the season, but everything projects to an extremely close title race this season.
 
What points and what undeniable facts?

When Celtic beat us at Parkhead I said there was virtually no gap between the two teams, irrespective of the points difference. The fact we are neck and neck this season with pretty much the same team as we had then (backed up by your post previously on this thread) kinda backs up that point does it not?

We can’t stay top for longer than a week, look at the slip ups we had at Rugby park and Hibs and the like last season. We couldn’t beat Aberdeen to make a cup final in 3 attempts (including a replay). This season we’ve played very well, but again, we couldn’t beat Celtic at Ibrox when we were in form and had an excellent chance, we couldn’t reclaim top spot and make a real statement and silence those who doubt their mental rigidity despite coming up against a dreadful Hearts side.

Essentially when there’s added pressure we don’t seem to be able to do what it takes, how can that be denied when the evidence is all there. Again it doesn’t mean we’ll bottle the league or that we can’t overcome it, but these performances at least suggest that the issue may still be there, especially when you consider the abject nature of the performances at home to the scum and away to Hearts. It’s not like we were unlucky, we were just shit and couldn’t replicate our better performances in these games that come with that added pressure.

And yeah mate that’s what you said, and I still find it to be an incredible statement given they had a huge points cushion. We could clearly beat them on any given day, but as far as showing consistency and holding our nerve at crucial moments goes they were clearly streets ahead of us and I don’t see how that can be argued given that they took every piece of domestic silverware again and we never even contested a cup final. As for the last part, it’s now how you start it’s how you finish. We were neck and neck till January last season and in the end they still pissed the league, so how can anyone say it’s different this year when we’re only 8 games in and have already cùnted two games that would have shown real progress in terms of our mental strength?
 
Played 9
Won 7
Drew 1
Lost 1

22 points amassed. On course for 92 points as it stands, which would have won every SPFL Title since 14/15 outwith Rodgers' invincible season at Celtic.

Not a thread to defend yesterday's display, it was a really poor show but a bit of perspective is required here. The team is showing Championship Winning Form, or at the very least, showing form that will take a title challenge right down to the wire.

Our fans really need to get a grip. The reaction on here and social media in general every time we don't win a game is absolutely ridiculous.

It will have been covered a million times but yesterday's point, after the dust has settled, will be important in the long run.

We stupidly got drawn into a battle with them in a game where we were nowhere near our best. It happens, look at them at Livi. If you aren't playing well and it's a scrap you at least show some baws and get stuck in and make sure you don't lose. Celtic's arse completely collapsed at Livi, at least yesterday we were willing to get stuck in even if we were playing p*sh.

Only thing you don't want to do is make a habit out of it.
 
We can’t stay top for longer than a week, look at the slip ups we had at Rugby park and Hibs and the like last season. We couldn’t beat Aberdeen to make a cup final in 3 attempts (including a replay). This season we’ve played very well, but again, we couldn’t beat Celtic at Ibrox when we were in form and had an excellent chance, we couldn’t reclaim top spot and make a real statement and silence those who doubt their mental rigidity despite coming up against a dreadful Hearts side.

Essentially when there’s added pressure we don’t seem to be able to do what it takes, how can that be denied when the evidence is all there. Again it doesn’t mean we’ll bottle the league or that we can’t overcome it, but these performances at least suggest that the issue may still be there, especially when you consider the abject nature of the performances at home to the scum and away to Hearts. It’s not like we were unlucky, we were just shit and couldn’t replicate our better performances in these games that come with that added pressure.

And yeah mate that’s what you said, and I still find it to be an incredible statement given they had a huge points cushion. We could clearly beat them on any given day, but as far as showing consistency and holding our nerve at crucial moments goes they were clearly streets ahead of us and I don’t see how that can be argued given that they took every piece of domestic silverware again and we never even contested a cup final. As for the last part, it’s now how you start it’s how you finish. We were neck and neck till January last season and in the end they still pissed the league, so how can anyone say it’s different this year when we’re only 8 games in and have already cùnted two games that would have shown real progress in terms of our mental strength?

What do you mean we were ''neck and neck'' until the turn of the year last season? We were sitting 5th in the league after 10 games last season :D We were top of the league 1 time last season, going joint top with Celtic but them having a game in hand. We were never top again after this.

We have been top once this season so far, and now we are joint top (the same position we were in at the winter break last season), this time having played the same number of games. You can't seriously point to 2 one off games, and say it points to a trend in the mentality of a team. It's ludicrous, especially when there are numerous examples of the team digging out wins in big games when they had to in Europe and the Old Firm last December. If we lost that, it was 6 points behind with them having a game in hand, you can't seriously deny that was a big pressure game.

Killie, Aberdeen and Hibs killed us last season in the league, not Celtic. Ironically, we have taken 9 points in the league off Killie, Aberdeen and Hibs already this season so that's an improvement on last season right away.
 
What do you mean we were ''neck and neck'' until the turn of the year last season? We were sitting 5th in the league after 10 games last season :D We were top of the league 1 time last season, going joint top with Celtic but them having a game in hand. We were never top again after this.

We have been top once this season so far, and now we are joint top (the same position we were in at the winter break last season), this time having played the same number of games. You can't seriously point to 2 one off games, and say it points to a trend in the mentality of a team. It's ludicrous, especially when there are numerous examples of the team digging out wins in big games when they had to in Europe and the Old Firm last December. If we lost that, it was 6 points behind with them having a game in hand, you can't seriously deny that was a big pressure game.

Killie, Aberdeen and Hibs killed us last season in the league, not Celtic. Ironically, we have taken 9 points in the league off Killie, Aberdeen and Hibs already this season so that's an improvement on last season right away.

We were 3 points away in January and they ended up pissing the league, what exactly do you not understand? And we’re in second place mate, not joint top.

We’ve pulled out some excellent results in Europe no question, I’m talking domestically though where we need success and we need it fast. Also you’ll need to explain to me why I can’t point to those 2 games that gave us a chance to make a real statement that we cùnted? Why is it ludicrous? Its an apparent continuation of an undeniable trend that says when we have a chance to back them up and really put them under pressure we make an arse of it. If we win yesterday it’s a real sign of progress in respect of us holding our never and showing we can keep ourselves on top and keep them under serious pressure with something to think about. Instead we produced a pathetic display against a woefully out of form side and we let them stay top, and as a result left that lingering doubt in the minds of fans ( at least those who don’t want to look the other way) that says that once we get on top we can’t stay there and the pressure is too much for some of our players.

And by the way, the OF game last January is about the only time we really showed the sort of mental steel that had me believing we could maybe win the league last season, barring that there were few signs. When they slipped up we tended to follow suit, and ultimately they put the winning runs together, we continued to falter and ended up with fùck all. I don’t really see how any of this is up for debate. I’ll tell you what’s ludicrous though, forecasting a final points total only 8 games in. If you’d done the same thing at Christmas last year the forecast would have looked far better than the eventual outcome, i.e, it’s meaningless.
 
There's no denying that yesterday was a sore one when were wanting to keep our position on top, and the performance was nowhere near good enough.

But by this time last year we had already dropped 10 points in the league, this year we've only dropped 5.

We've only lost 3 games in our last 28 competitive games, and those were the Old Firm (which was unacceptable), away to a young boys team who have an incredible home record and Killie last day of last season when there nothing to play for.

We can't ignore the mistakes and lack of desire shown yesterday, but it's not the full blown crisis some people appear to think it is.

We're still joint top and in control of our own chances.
 
The worst thing about yesterday is not dropping 2 points but showing we are still mentally fragile when it comes to crunch games and only managing to stay top for 2 weeks.

Its a big physcological blow an it has made us look weak, we need to fight even harder and start picking the right players for these types of matches, we cant always play nice football and we need some tough players like Polster and Edmundson on the park

We are still on course so no need to panic it just frustrating after going top by 2 points that it has been wiped out the following game.
 
The worst thing about yesterday is not dropping 2 points but showing we are still mentally fragile when it comes to crunch games and only managing to stay top for 2 weeks.

Its a big physcological blow an it has made us look weak, we need to fight even harder and start piking the right players for these types of matches.

We are still on course so no need to panic.
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What is your point ? it can be a blow without having to panic, we are 9 games in
In one sentence you're saying we're too fragile mentally to compete and we've just been dealt another psychological blow, and the next sentence you're saying that's no reason to panic.

Those two positions are not compatible. You're either freaking out about the mental state of this team, or you aren't.
 
In one sentence you're saying we're too fragile mentally to compete and we've just been dealt another psychological blow, and the next sentence you're saying that's no reason to panic.

Those two positions are not compatible. You're either freaking out about the mental state of this team, or you aren't.
I was refering to yesterday's game, until we see a pattern forming away from home and we drop more points than we should then there is no need to panic however its normal to be concerned.

Aginst Legia we showed real mental toughness, yesterday we didn't so its difficult to know for sure, we will know much more by the end of Decemeber though.
 
I was refering to yesterday's game, until we see a pattern forming away from home and we drop more points than we should then there is no need to panic however its normal to be concerned.

Aginst Legia we showed real mental toughness, yesterday we didn't so its difficult to know for sure, we will know much more by the end of Decemeber though.
Maybe this tells us something about mental strength, this perceived quality that all title winning teams possess and cannot be bought or measured. It is completely abstract but yet it influences the discourse.

Ever thought for a moment that maybe, this very Scottish (and sometimes British) obsession with "bottle" is all a load of nonsense?

If you're a professional footballer, you're one of the top 1% of young footballers at your age. You've had to dedicate a lot of time and effort and come through some tough times to get there. You've probably been released by a youth team and told you weren't good enough.

Things that we attribute to "bottle" are almost always attributable to luck or statistical variance. That's not as sexy, and it doesn't make for as good a narrative, but it's ultimately true. Sports psychologists help individual players through their own tough times, but they aren't there to reinforce the mentality of an entire team.
 
Played 9
Won 7
Drew 1
Lost 1

22 points amassed. On course for 92 points as it stands, which would have won every SPFL Title since 14/15 outwith Rodgers' invincible season at Celtic.

Not a thread to defend yesterday's display, it was a really poor show but a bit of perspective is required here. The team is showing Championship Winning Form, or at the very least, showing form that will take a title challenge right down to the wire.

Our fans really need to get a grip. The reaction on here and social media in general every time we don't win a game is absolutely ridiculous.

I can't agree with what you have said, game v Septic was player mistakes and bad management of the tactics, same in the Young Boys game, players mistakes and bad management, yesterday against Hearts was player mistake, bad management by continuing to play Ojo.
If one player who should be dropped it's Ojo
 
We were 3 points away in January and they ended up pissing the league, what exactly do you not understand? And we’re in second place mate, not joint top.

We’ve pulled out some excellent results in Europe no question, I’m talking domestically though where we need success and we need it fast. Also you’ll need to explain to me why I can’t point to those 2 games that gave us a chance to make a real statement that we cùnted? Why is it ludicrous? Its an apparent continuation of an undeniable trend that says when we have a chance to back them up and really put them under pressure we make an arse of it. If we win yesterday it’s a real sign of progress in respect of us holding our never and showing we can keep ourselves on top and keep them under serious pressure with something to think about. Instead we produced a pathetic display against a woefully out of form side and we let them stay top, and as a result left that lingering doubt in the minds of fans ( at least those who don’t want to look the other way) that says that once we get on top we can’t stay there and the pressure is too much for some of our players.

And by the way, the OF game last January is about the only time we really showed the sort of mental steel that had me believing we could maybe win the league last season, barring that there were few signs. When they slipped up we tended to follow suit, and ultimately they put the winning runs together, we continued to falter and ended up with fùck all. I don’t really see how any of this is up for debate. I’ll tell you what’s ludicrous though, forecasting a final points total only 8 games in. If you’d done the same thing at Christmas last year the forecast would have looked far better than the eventual outcome, i.e, it’s meaningless.

Your favourite word just now is trends. If you want to talk about trends, you need to look at historical numbers and use that to predict the future. So make your mind up eh?

By the way, when we beat Celtic last December we were on 42 points after 21 games. That had us on track to accumulate 76 points come the end of the season if we continued in a similar veign, which wouldn't have won the title in the last 5-10 years.

We finished the season on 78 points, which wasnt enough. Which we could have predicted last January.

You see, you can actually get good data from trends when you know how to look at the numbers and work with them.

Celtic won about 12 games on the spin after the xmas break last season barely conceding a goal that won them the league.

So if you simply break down the numbers of this season so far, we are well on track to better last season and potentially win the league if we continue performing to the level we have been so far. We are showing a nice trend this season.
 
Your favourite word just now is trends. If you want to talk about trends, you need to look at historical numbers and use that to predict the future. So make your mind up eh?

By the way, when we beat Celtic last December we were on 42 points after 21 games. That had us on track to accumulate 76 points come the end of the season if we continued in a similar veign, which wouldn't have won the title in the last 5-10 years.

We finished the season on 78 points, which wasnt enough. Which we could have predicted last January.

You see, you can actually get good data from trends when you know how to look at the numbers and work with them.

Celtic won about 12 games on the spin after the xmas break last season barely conceding a goal that won them the league.

So if you simply break down the numbers of this season so far, we are well on track to better last season and potentially win the league if we continue performing to the level we have been so far. We are showing a nice trend this season.

its not like for like though

last season we had more away games in the first tranche of fixtures

this season reversed
 
On the one hand it’s quite worrying that once again we go top of the league and fùck it up the very next game.

On the other hand, we’re in a title race again which means we’re going to drop points occasionally. It’s how we respond which matters.

So, yeah, this early in the season you have to focus on the positive.
 
It doesn't necessarily need to be 90+ points by the end of the season. 80 odd points might be enough. All that matters is that we have more points than Celtic.

The fact of the matter is that after one Old Firm game which we lost, at home, we are level on points and level on goal difference with them and sit second only due to goals scored.

Compare this feeling to how you felt at full time on Old Firm game. We could easily have been half a dozen points behind now, but we're not.

Personally I'm over the moon with how we've recovered. I never would have thought that we'd have clawed back that three point deficit as early as mid October.

Yesterday was irritating, but you're always going to have games like that in any season.

Bottom line is that as long as we better Timmy's result at Pittodrie on Sunday when we host Motherwell, we're back top of the league. If they win, we simply need to win by scoring more goals.

I know the Sheep tend to roll over for them, but if they could snatch a draw then that gives us the chance to go two clear again.

Chins up. Hearts are shite, we'll pump them next time we play them.
 
Your favourite word just now is trends. If you want to talk about trends, you need to look at historical numbers and use that to predict the future. So make your mind up eh?

By the way, when we beat Celtic last December we were on 42 points after 21 games. That had us on track to accumulate 76 points come the end of the season if we continued in a similar veign, which wouldn't have won the title in the last 5-10 years.

We finished the season on 78 points, which wasnt enough. Which we could have predicted last January.

You see, you can actually get good data from trends when you know how to look at the numbers and work with them.

Celtic won about 12 games on the spin after the xmas break last season barely conceding a goal that won them the league.

So if you simply break down the numbers of this season so far, we are well on track to better last season and potentially win the league if we continue performing to the level we have been so far. We are showing a nice trend this season.

Yeah but you’d need to factor in the swing of points in the dead rubber games at the end of the season too, after the league was effectively lost. Given you’re one of the ones who was determined to pretend the upturn in form coinciding with the league disappearing was mere coincidence, I highly doubt you’ve done that. Your obsession with using random numbers with no context doesn’t help you either, this is football, not baseball.

The only real thing that matters at the end of the day, is that they strolled it. And it is a trend, as much as you’re determined to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend there’s no issue (reminds of the glory days of Murty when he was ‘learning his trade’, and the Snapchat banter in Florida was a sign of unity and we were on the up and up and it wasn’t just that we had a favourable fun of fixtures and all that bollocks) there clearly is a trend that shows that we regularly falter when we have a chance to either stay on top, apply real pressure to them or make a serious push for silverware, and that’s continued on this season with that OF game and that shite yesterday. I’m clearly far from alone in that thought too.

You’re in denial mate, as you often are. I even saw you claim Hearts played well yesterday, but I really think you need to be honest with yourself and admit that’s a load of nonsense.
 
Yeah but you’d need to factor in the swing of points in the dead rubber games at the end of the season too, after the league was effectively lost. Given you’re one of the ones who was determined to pretend the upturn in form coinciding with the league disappearing was mere coincidence, I highly doubt you’ve done that. Your obsession with using random numbers with no context doesn’t help you either, this is football, not baseball.

The only real thing that matters at the end of the day, is that they strolled it. And it is a trend, as much as you’re determined to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend there’s no issue (reminds of the glory days of Murty when he was ‘learning his trade’, and the Snapchat banter in Florida was a sign of unity and we were on the up and up and it wasn’t just that we had a favourable fun of fixtures and all that bollocks) there clearly is a trend that shows that we regularly falter when we have a chance to either stay on top, apply real pressure to them or make a serious push for silverware, and that’s continued on this season with that OF game and that shite yesterday. I’m clearly far from alone in that thought too.

You’re in denial mate, as you often are. I even saw you claim Hearts played well yesterday, but I really think you need to be honest with yourself and admit that’s a load of nonsense.

If numbers arent relevant then I'd advise you to stop talking about trends then fella. Remove that word from your vocabulary, as you clearly have a misunderstanding of its meaning.

Stick to your big macho words like spineless and gutless etc it suits your big internet macho man persona better. Will continue to get you a few likes as well.
 
Yeah but we’re still faltering and can’t stay top longer than a week so where’s the development in that sense? You can’t just say “they develop” when in terms of nerve and mental steel we’re not seeing too many great signs of development. And how do I quantify it? Easy, it’s the persistent failure to take these opportunities when they’re afforded to us, even when we’re up against a side languishing second from bottom who are in such poor form their fans are begging for their manager to be sacked. “If we weren’t top at the start of the weekend”, if yer auntie had baws! The fact is we were top and had a chance to hang on to that top spot and we failed that test. Let’s stick to what actually unfolded and put pointless hypotheticals to the side for a second.

We played a very poor team and barley created a chance, bullied off the ball and never at any stage looked like winning the game, does that scream mental rigidity to you given that we had a chance to go top again and make a real statement and show a real sign of progress? And forget about luck, we weren’t unlucky yesterday, we were crap and had the wrong mentality and attitude as the gaffer himself clearly acknowledged.

Why you believe that me debating the issue by looking at a clear and undeniable trend is childlike, is beyond me to be perfectly honest. It’s not as though I’m kicking and screaming with no valid argument and no evidence to back up my point. In fact, I’ve yet to see any valid counter argument to the point that I’ve been making since full time yesterday. All I’ve seen are happy clappers venting their frustrations at fans who aren’t prepared to turn a blind eye to a rather ominous looking pattern.

We've only failed to win in 5 games this season. That's the clear and obvious progress.

Your worrying trend has far less strength than the numerous improvements in points, goals scored, goals conceded etc.
 
What points and what undeniable facts?

When Celtic beat us at Parkhead I said there was virtually no gap between the two teams, irrespective of the points difference. The fact we are neck and neck this season with pretty much the same team as we had then (backed up by your post previously on this thread) kinda backs up that point does it not?

I bookmarked that thread. I think it was probably to do with the over-reaction - there were those calling for SG's sacking at the end of March!

There are those who are just not warming to the manager, then and now.

As an aside, the most disappointing/frustrating aspect is that both games include a Tav error.
 
I bookmarked that thread. I think it was probably to do with the over-reaction - there were those calling for SG's sacking at the end of March!

There are those who are just not warming to the manager, then and now.

As an aside, the most disappointing/frustrating aspect is that both games include a Tav error.
There was people calling for his head on a couple of occasions last season. They've been very vocal in their reaction to yesterday's draw. If we don't win the league cup these same people will demand that he's sacked. It's guaranteed, they are desperate to start sticking the knife in again.
 
The last 2 games before the break we had the chance to apply pressure after Celtic dropped points and posted an aggregate score of 10-0.

Gutless, absolutely gutless.
Apparently it's only a big game if we drop points and this is evidence of us being bottle merchants. Forget Killie, Hibs, Aberdeen Legia, Feyenoord etc because they don't fit the new narrative that's developing around us; we are a team full of cowards who fold under pressure etc etc
 
I thought this was a forum for discussion, debate and sharing of opinions.

its clearly not, fail to agree and accusations of cretin, idiot, follower and , my favourite, panty wetter, throw in the occasional sniff sniff and we have a large number of posters who struggle with............protest...ants!!!!:cool:
 
We’ve had two key games to assert our position as real title contenders so far. The game against them at Ibrox and yesterday.

We’ve slipped up badly in both. That’s what bothers me.

our home form has been great against teams who have looked poor, but we still toil on the road and I can’t shake the feeling that we’re still not mentally strong enough to put together a solid enough run to win the league.

Next couple of months is going to tell us a lot about this squad imho.

Bags of ability, but need to be truly ruthless.
 
The last 2 games before the break we had the chance to apply pressure after Celtic dropped points and posted an aggregate score of 10-0.

Gutless, absolutely gutless.

Apparently it's only a big game if we drop points and this is evidence of us being bottle merchants. Forget Killie, Hibs, Aberdeen Legia, Feyenoord etc because they don't fit the new narrative that's developing around us; we are a team full of cowards who fold under pressure etc etc

2 hand picked games in the last 9 months we didn't get a result = trend.

Our last 16 league games = doesn't constitute a trend.

Brilliant isn't it? :D
 
That's an opinion.

I see Steven Gerrard has just expressed one and its not complimentary. Is that a ludicrous argument with no solid premise?

Yes. Gerrard is being too harsh, and has admitted as much in the past.

He speaks like a fan more than a manager. It's the only thing I think he needs to dramatically change as the years go on.

Also - the argument that the team has improved isn't an opinion. It's based on facts.

The supposed facts behind them being spineless aren't strong enough to back up that argument.

That was the debate. That's not about opinions.
 
2 hand picked games in the last 9 months we didn't get a result = trend.

Our last 16 league games = doesn't constitute a trend.

Brilliant isn't it? :D

Hand picked? They were the two league fixtures with the biggest pressure, one against them at Ibrox and a tricky away tie where we had 24 hours to stew on the fact we had to go and win to go top again and show that we could take that added pressure. Take the other 16 games into account and you see the trend I’ve mentioned, a tend whereby we can now win games consistently but ultimately still tend to falter when there’s extra pressure and the chance to stop on top. The level of denial here can’t be healthy.

But hey, if you were able to successfully kid yourself on that Murty was a Rangers Manager in the making and Windass was a £5m rated EPL bound player you can clearly do the mental gymnastics required to convince yourself of anything mate, dahaha :D
 
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Did he say we're a team full of bottle merchants and cowards who can't win big matches? Because that's all I've been reading since Sunday.

I dont know where you're getting your reading material. Ive seen a number of alternative views and opinions on here and elsewhere. Im somewhere in the middle but I respect the rights of others to disagree.
 
I dont know where you're getting your reading material. Ive seen a number of alternative views and opinions on here and elsewhere. Im somewhere in the middle but I respect the rights of others to disagree.

I don’t know why people are going overboard with this, look at the shite I’m getting and I’ve never said we’re a team of bottle merchants and we’ll choke the league etc etc.

All I’ve said is that there’s still cause for concern and evidence suggesting we might still have an issue holding our nerve in the league when it comes to keeping our noses in front for longer than 7 days. I think that’s perfectly fair, it’s certainly not the same as “we’ve got a team of shitebags and we’ll never win this league”.
 
Yes. Gerrard is being too harsh, and has admitted as much in the past.

He speaks like a fan more than a manager. It's the only thing I think he needs to dramatically change as the years go on.

Also - the argument that the team has improved isn't an opinion. It's based on facts.

The supposed facts behind them being spineless aren't strong enough to back up that argument.

That was the debate. That's not about opinions.

I suppose Gerrard is just expressing one of those "ludicrous arguments with no solid premise" that you refer to but at least he's admitted it according to you.

I enjoy the discussions on here and like to hear other posters' opinions. I think this is the point of FF.
 
Hand picked? They were the two league fixtures with the biggest pressure, one against them at Ibrox and a tricky away tie where we had 24 hours to stew on the fact we had to go and win to go top again and show that we could take that added pressure. Take the other 16 games into account and you see the trend I’ve mentioned, a tend whereby we can now win games consistently but ultimately still tend to falter when there’s extra pressure and the chance to stop on top. The level of denial here can’t be healthy.

But hey, if you were able to successfully kid yourself on that Murty was a Rangers Manager in the making and Windass was a £5m rated EPL bound player you can clearly do the mental gymnastics required to convince yourself of anything mate, dahaha :D

Kilmarnock and Hearts away have been the two biggest, high pressure matches we've played under Gerrards tenure? Really? Take a minute to digest what you are saying, you've lost the fecking plot here man.

You know you've lost the argument when you dip into your wee handbag of debates from the past. Which is ironic coming from the ringleader of the Pena and Pedro Loyal :D You really couldn't mark your neck with a blowtorch :D :D :D
 
I don’t know why people are going overboard with this, look at the shite I’m getting and I’ve never said we’re a team of bottle merchants and we’ll choke the league etc etc.

All I’ve said is that there’s still cause for concern and evidence suggesting we might still have an issue holding our nerve in the league when it comes to keeping our noses in front for longer than 7 days. I think that’s perfectly fair, it’s certainly not the same as “we’ve got a team of shitebags and we’ll never win this league”.

Some people only see what they want to see. Dont let them drag you down.
 
“Wrong mentality wrong attitude”. He literally says it, that’s a lot closer to what fans like myself are saying than the turd polishing nonsense a load of others are persisting with. You’ve also got to consider that he’s very unlikely to show the extent of his frustration to the watching world and has to retain some sort of poker face.

Hamilton? Perhaps but then you couldn’t ask for a more straightforward fixture to go top (particularly with the Livingston upset happening shortly before our match leaving us no time to really dwell on that). However, our away performances haven’t been great this season and when we were presented with the chance to go and reclaim top spot by beating a woefully out of form Hearts side we produced a spineless display and blew that chance. The issue this side has is they’ve won nothing and when we get a chance to really stay up there and get our noses in front we rarely take it, that’s not up for debate it’s an undeniable fact. I’m a loss as to why people are determined to swot it aside as though its not cause for concern. But by all means, continue to do that, but I won’t be, I’ll continue to question them until they can stay top for longer than week and until they can deliver some silverware. When they do that I’ll unclench and relax more.
Spot on.
 
Kilmarnock and Hearts away have been the two biggest, high pressure matches we've played under Gerrards tenure? Really? Take a minute to digest what you are saying, you've lost the fecking plot here man.

You know you've lost the argument when you dip into your wee handbag of debates from the past. Which is ironic coming from the ringleader of the Pena and Pedro Loyal :D You really couldn't mark your neck with a blowtorch :D :D :D

Kilmarnock? Tell you what mate, you learn to read properly first and then you can come back and discuss this with me! Why wouldn’t I use those amusing little anecdotes from the past though? They’re actually very relevant to the current discussion and above all, they’re absolute conclusive proof that you have a tendency to be a happy clapping jobbie polisher. “Oh look at the banter between Windass at the boys on snapchat, they’re bonding! We’re on our way here. Nah don’t you dare acknowledge the easy run of fixtures we’ve had! We won those games becames we’re making strides here, this is it, real progress”. Bwahaha! that’s without me even getting into your prior views on Morelos and your insistence that the magic hat would have eventually turned it around had he and his mate Frank had an extra 10 million to blow on overpriced championship guff and has-beens.

So you’re going to perpetuate this lie that I thought Pena and Pedro was superstars destined to bring back the glory years? Aye carry on Pinocchio, unlike the anecdotes I’ve reiterated, your Pedro and Pena ringleader bollocks never actually happened. Okay I gave Caixinha too much credit at one stage, fair enough, but I certainly never had Peña as some sort of savour, simply an expensive player who offered more of a goal threat than our other midfield options at that time. But then you know that anyway you absolute fibber :D

Honestly mate I admire your glass half full outlook in a sense, it’s easier to take than the absolute doom and gloom merchants who take control when points are dropped, but you have a tendency to take it too far and kid yourself on everything’s rosey when it’s not.
 
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I dont know where you're getting your reading material. Ive seen a number of alternative views and opinions on here and elsewhere. Im somewhere in the middle but I respect the rights of others to disagree.
I've read it on there. This place tends to completely lose its shit when we drop points and its getting worse each year. People are of course entitled to their opinions and people are entitled to disagree. I don't think there is much evidence to support the idea that we're a team of bottlers and I'll continue to state that.
 
We haven't reached a cup final since returning to SPL, and collapsed last season around the key fixture we were targeting. It's not exactly confidence inspiring but long way to go and far too early to make any judgement.
 
Kilmarnock? Tell you what mate, you learn to read properly first and then you can come back and discuss this with me! Why wouldn’t I use those amusing little anecdotes from the past though? They’re actually very relevant to the current discussion and above all, they’re absolute conclusive proof that you have a tendency to be a happy clapping jobbie polisher. “Oh look at the banter between Windass at the boys on snapchat, they’re bonding! We’re on our way here. Nah don’t you dare acknowledge the easy run of fixtures we’ve had! We won those games becames we’re making strides here, this is it, real progress”. Bwahaha! that’s without me even getting into your prior views on Morelos and your insistence that the magic hat would have eventually turned it around had he and his mate Frank had an extra 10 million to blow on overpriced championship guff and has-beens.

So you’re going to perpetuate this lie that I thought Pena and Pedro was superstars destined to bring back the glory years? Aye carry on Pinocchio, unlike the anecdotes I’ve reiterated, your Pedro and Pena ringleader bollocks never actually happened. Okay I gave Caixinha too much credit at one stage, fair enough, but I certainly never had Peña as some sort of savour, simply an expensive player who offered more of a goal threat than our other midfield options at that time. But then you know that anyway you absolute fibber :D

Honestly mate I admire your glass half full outlook in a sense, it’s easier to take than the absolute doom and gloom merchants who take control when points are dropped, but you have a tendency to take it too far and kid yourself on everything’s rosey when it’s not.

Yes, Kilmarnock. You've spent the last few days droning on about how the twice we've been top of the league, we've went out and dropped points the next game. The only two teams we've played whilst being top of the league under Gerrard were Hearts at the weekend, and Killie away was the first game back after the winter break when we were joint top with Celtic last season.

So what other game are you talking about?

You can rewrite history all you want, we all know the truth about your Pena and Pedro Love In. But let's keep the thread on track eh? My DMs are open if you want to droning on about the past.

Cheers
 
I've read it on there. This place tends to completely lose its shit when we drop points and its getting worse each year. People are of course entitled to their opinions and people are entitled to disagree. I don't think there is much evidence to support the idea that we're a team of bottlers and I'll continue to state that.

No argument from me but I dont think we're good enough for the league or to qualify for the knock out stages in europe. We seem to fall short in the bigger games.

Interesting to hear SG's comments. Im backing him 100% but I think he needs more time AND some additional players. I think he knows this but cant do much at the moment.
 
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