Public consultation on new flats at Ibrox

The clubs Job for fans is to have a decent stadium and winning team on the pitch. Since when did we start demanding answers for developments that go on near the stadium.

Somewhere along the line fans have lost sight what it's all about. Its football for god sake, about successful teams on the pitch. Not planners, developers, architects and whatever else you want to throw in.

As long as they're not selling up the stadium and moving elsewhere, I dont give a toss.

Do you understand that our success on the pitch is entirely dependent on our financial revenues?
 
Fan matchday experience is important. Is is our ability to get fans to and from games easily. A housing development close to Ibrox does nothing to help with traffic on matchday or facilities for fans. Ideally we'd see the perimeter of Ibrox extended, more of the land around the ground set up for catering and entertainment on matchdays and a better public transport and parking solution for the stadium.

We absolutely should be active in any plans for the area immediately around the stadium.

I think the subway is a good enough option. The problem is related to the first half of this - nobody wants to get there any earlier than 3pm due to the lack of things to do in the build up to the game. That means that thousands are still trying to get to Ibrox for 3pm on the dot and it shows. I think if you get the fanzone/matchday experience right then the existing public transport is fine. A train station would be ideal but easing the congestion on the subway is probably a knock on effect of creating a better environment for fans. Would any train station route get you as close as the subway?
 
The clubs Job for fans is to have a decent stadium and winning team on the pitch. Since when did we start demanding answers for developments that go on near the stadium.

Somewhere along the line fans have lost sight what it's all about. Its football for god sake, about successful teams on the pitch. Not planners, developers, architects and whatever else you want to throw in.

As long as they're not selling up the stadium and moving elsewhere, I dont give a toss.

You might not care mate and thats totally your perogative but I would gauge the vast majority of our support do have an interest in what is happening around the Ibrox footprint and do care what is happening to the land in and around.
 
Some bizarre attitudes on here.

The State de Nonce is now focal point of a Tim Disneyland. Thanks to free or cheap land and generous planning decisions.

We have had nothing. Not a thing. And now penned in by houses? Where's our Walk of Stars? Hotel? Statue park?

"Let it go, the flats look nice" is to completely end utterly to miss the point.
 
But but but

public transport!!!

there bloody isn’t any. And even if there was why should I be forced into using it!

Do you not see a connection between spending enormous sums of money on parking and a lack of transit investment? Glasgow has spent the last 50 years pandering to the car and adopting American suburbanization patterns. The Bruce Report has been a disaster for Glasgow.

Parking is enormously expensive to construct (minimum 4k per space) and is empty most of the time. That's particularly true for a football car park that faces very significant peaks.

No one is forcing you to use public transit, they are just no longer subsidizing the car and it's associated urban design which contributed as much to Glasgow's downfall as deindustrialization did.

If we want land values to appreciate and for development to occur in Govan, getting rid of inefficient parking lots is a great first step.
 
Do you not see a connection between spending enormous sums of money on parking and a lack of transit investment? Glasgow has spent the last 50 years pandering to the car and adopting American suburbanization patterns. The Bruce Report has been a disaster for Glasgow.

Parking is enormously expensive to construct (minimum 4k per space) and is empty most of the time. That's particularly true for a football car park that faces very significant peaks.

No one is forcing you to use public transit, they are just no longer subsidizing the car and it's associated urban design which contributed as much to Glasgow's downfall as deindustrialization did.

If we want land values to appreciate and for development to occur in Govan, getting rid of inefficient parking lots is a great first step.
I haven't mentioned the car park, specifically as I don't use it. I park on an empty street behind the Copland. So instead of driving to the match then straight home, to suit the council I'll then have the option of a bus to the train station, then a train to the match, then the same in reverse. All alongside 50k other people.
 
I agree.

We’ve been wanting the GCC to spruce the land up around Ibrox for some while.

I like how they’ve took inspiration from the Main Stand and kept the theme with the red brick and shape of windows.

The Albion Car Park and the surrounding radius is a dump until you hit Ibrox.

Yup whole area is crap.

I like how it matches, would make an excellent museum. My only fear is that the building is too close to the road, if it was further back and to the side. Give more breathing space to the main stand as just now it's going to be so closed in
 
Doesn't the club selling off a large portion of its car parking completely undermine the arguments being put forward against the GCC parking restrictions that are being imposed.
I really hope the club have an alternative parking area sourced before this is concluded.
 
I haven't mentioned the car park, specifically as I don't use it. I park on an empty street behind the Copland. So instead of driving to the match then straight home, to suit the council I'll then have the option of a bus to the train station, then a train to the match, then the same in reverse. All alongside 50k other people.

imagine if 50k people all tried to park near the stadium. Cars are too inefficient and will never be the solution
 
The plans are that Edmiston House will be renovated and transformed into a cafe and museum hopefully with a bar for pre match.

Megastore is being renovated eventsully after years of decline.

After that is complete all we need is the fanzone and hopefully stadium expansion in the corners of the Govan Stand.
Wasn't many complaints about views of Ibrox when Murray wanted his casino so it must be ok as long Rangers are blocking the view.
 
Fan matchday experience is important. Is is our ability to get fans to and from games easily. A housing development close to Ibrox does nothing to help with traffic on matchday or facilities for fans. Ideally we'd see the perimeter of Ibrox extended, more of the land around the ground set up for catering and entertainment on matchdays and a better public transport and parking solution for the stadium.

We absolutely should be active in any plans for the area immediately around the stadium.
Please tell me what a matchday experience is. I always seen it as meeting up with mates, having a few sherbets and going along to support the team and hopefully get a good result. Have a few in prw after the game, then head back to town.

Good company, good result and a good day out. Off the pitch activities, I'll leave to the club.
 
imagine if 50k people all tried to park near the stadium. Cars are too inefficient and will never be the solution
I agree on that. I don't mind the new building and development of the area. I mind the parking proposals though. If the train station is opened that reduces traffic significantly IMO and means that the parking restrictions would be OTT.
 
No one is saying cars a right from some of the eco warriors on here it's about the potential for locking us In. That eventually the only option will be to move grounds because like it or the stadium will not last forever.
 
The plans are that Edmiston House will be renovated and transformed into a cafe and museum hopefully with a bar for pre match.

Megastore is being renovated eventsully after years of decline.

After that is complete all we need is the fanzone and hopefully stadium expansion in the corners of the Govan Stand.

I'm getting confused with the whole Megastore thing, according to Bisgrove, "There are a number of other projects and feasibility studies that we’re doing in terms of Ibrox but also the Edmiston House building, which is currently a derelict building adjacent to Ibrox, which is owned by the club and used to be a social club. We’re looking at renovating that and introducing a multi-purpose events and conference space, so we can have match day fans over there, we can host conferences, comedy nights, etc., plus we can put our retail space in there; so the club store, potentially a club museum, coffee shop."

So the £250,000 is being spent on the megastore that will become a sportsbar for 2022?
 
I agree on that. I don't mind the new building and development of the area. I mind the parking proposals though. If the train station is opened that reduces traffic significantly IMO and means that the parking restrictions would be OTT.

I'm with ya. Land use begets transit, which begets land uses etc....
 
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I would prefer we purchased more land around Ibrox instead of selling off the land that we own. Bonkers.


In current economic climate you’d imagine land might be cheap. We would need to do something with the land though. I think buying land around the subway makes more sense if we are trading part of the car park. But who knows what’s happening!
 
Please tell me what a matchday experience is. I always seen it as meeting up with mates, having a few sherbets and going along to support the team and hopefully get a good result. Have a few in prw after the game, then head back to town.

Good company, good result and a good day out. Off the pitch activities, I'll leave to the club.

Its all of that.

Right now there is very little to do around Ibrox. Very basic food vans are an option. If you want a beer then you go to one of the pubs on PRW or you drink elsewhere and travel to the ground late. Once you get to the stadium, you can hang about in the surrounding area with nothing to do or you can go into the stadium with nothing to do but watch the warm up.

Contrast that with somewhere like the Commerzbank arena. Theres a bit perimeter fence around the stadium itself. Plenty of land where they can set up bars and different food options. They make fantastic use of their video screens for pre-match entertainment. They have pitches where they can run exhibitions or youth matches. You can wander around. They have a big club shop plus smaller portakabin outlets that sell a smaller range of the main merch. Fans are given areas for fan group activities. You're encouraged to get along to the ground at least 90 minutes before kick off because there's plenty to do before the game and it can be done in an enjoyable, relaxed atmosphere.

Scottish football doesnt have that. Some have argued for fan zones. I'd go further and model the way we run match days on how the Bundesliga sides do it. Its a better all round experience.
 
imagine if 50k people all tried to park near the stadium. Cars are too inefficient and will never be the solution

Public transport has limitations when it comes to getting 50,000 to and from Ibrox. Realistically, how far from Ibrox can you travel after 10:00 pm if you don’t have a car or not relying on a supporters’ bus?

The idea of reactivating Ibrox station to carry fans suffers from the drawback of timetable constraints.
 
Public transport has limitations when it comes to getting 50,000 to and from Ibrox. Realistically, how far from Ibrox can you travel after 10:00 pm if you don’t have a car or not relying on a supporters’ bus?

The idea of reactivating Ibrox station to carry fans suffers from the drawback of timetable constraints.

Yes it certainly does in its current state because Glasweigan transit investment has been horrible as cars have long been prioritized. Which is why development around Ibrox is crucial as it reduces travel demand.

The long term involves refreshed transit investment, but that isn't possible if residential densities are the level they are. Supporter busses are fine but providing parking for private cars is expensive (land is valuable and parking consumes large amounts of land) , and creates congestion. Eliminating private parking may seem shortsighted but it's quite progressive long term.
 
Public transport has limitations when it comes to getting 50,000 to and from Ibrox. Realistically, how far from Ibrox can you travel after 10:00 pm if you don’t have a car or not relying on a supporters’ bus?

The idea of reactivating Ibrox station to carry fans suffers from the drawback of timetable constraints.

There is no one option for getting people to and from Ibrox. Better connection via rail would mean improvements for those travelling south of the Clyde via Glasgow Central. That potentially takes pressure off the subway for those travelling north to hubs like Partick or Buchanan St. The ability to connect better with public transport for the greater Glasgow area takes pressure off the roads for those who drive.

Public transport improvements would have a significant benefit for drivers or those who use supporters buses as it would undoubtedly take some traffic away and potentially free up parking provision.
 
The thing I'm concerned about is the loss of the car parking space combined with the proposed restrictions around the ground.
The station reopening would be a good thing, but what about making the test track that's been built for the new Subway trains permanent and using the platfom as a station on match days.
 
Public transport has limitations when it comes to getting 50,000 to and from Ibrox. Realistically, how far from Ibrox can you travel after 10:00 pm if you don’t have a car or not relying on a supporters’ bus?

The idea of reactivating Ibrox station to carry fans suffers from the drawback of timetable constraints.
Hopefully once the driverless trains come into effect in 2021 the subway will be open later or even better all night
 
Would be cool if the club owned a bunch of units and rented them out around match days especially European nights
 
So at the moment this is a consultation. Therefore the public can respond to the proposals put forward and have their say. The consultation responses will then be used to shape the final planning application. Be careful what you write and be sure to state clearly if you object (and in planning terms). An unscrupulous developer will use anything to show support. Use the live Q&A session to push them on things like a viable transport plan in support of the application, how they mitigate noise and congestion on match days, etc.
 
Does any one think this is a good idea ?

If it's true that the club are selling some land I can only assume that the money is needed. Perhaps for something specific. So I assume the board think it's a good idea or they wouldn't be doing it.

Without knowing the reason, and more importantly the amount it's difficult for anyone else to say if it's a good idea or not.
 
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Shocking. Where will BBC Scotland stand?
 
If it's true that the club are selling some land I can only assume that the money is needed. Perhaps for something specific. So I assume the board think it's a good idea or they wouldn't be doing it.

Without knowing the reason, and more importantly the amount it's difficult for anyone else to say if it's a good idea or not.
Its a terrible idea if true.

It looks horrendous and takes away scope to expand the club.
 
But you’ve got every numpty on here blaming the “cooncil” for “blocking us in”
The planners/council may block the application as the ground was never residential land, plus various sites available nearby which were previously houses.
If they think Rangers will make a few million on the deal it will be blocked.
 
Should point out that proposal is on the exact footprint of the albion dog track that was on the site. So it's possibly a reflection of that and in sympathy with our stadium. Hmm maybe not so bad
 
Was there not a rumour that we couldn’t open the club deck if the Albion parking wasn’t available? May have been a mentally challenged rumour but it kind of rings a bell.
 
Was there not a rumour that we couldn’t open the club deck if the Albion parking wasn’t available? May have been a mentally challenged rumour but it kind of rings a bell.
L think that's right. It was a planning condition. There will still be a car park, albeit smaller.
 
Be good to get this done. All of outside Ibrox looks outdated so this would help with pavings etc and smarten the area right up. Wouldn’t lose a lot of parking spaces I wouldn’t think due to planning legislation. This and Edmiston House project - Rangers doing stuff. Great tae see
 
My brother got access to a disabled parking pass for the night of the Hamilton game. The only good thing about that night was the short walk from the west enclosure to the corner of the Albion car park. Without the pass he couldn’t have managed his first game in 9 months.

If you wait till the end of the match, the usual 20 minute walk to the car (soon to be longer with the new radius restriction,) and then sometimes an hour wait to get onto the M8 on mid week night, was halved and we were on the motorway in no time.
We parked slap bang on the corner where the flats are going. Let’s hope this has been thought through properly.

Same here, my Dad is 75 and has mobility issues (bad knees), we HAVE to park in the Albion. He cannot now walk a mile or two from a supporters bus or from Bellahouston.

If the Albion is sold, even half of it, a man who went to his first game in 1950 may not ever be able to go again.
 
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In current economic climate you’d imagine land might be cheap. We would need to do something with the land though. I think buying land around the subway makes more sense if we are trading part of the car park. But who knows what’s happening!
Can you point me towards this cheap land you refer too?
 
Do you not see a connection between spending enormous sums of money on parking and a lack of transit investment? Glasgow has spent the last 50 years pandering to the car and adopting American suburbanization patterns. The Bruce Report has been a disaster for Glasgow.

Parking is enormously expensive to construct (minimum 4k per space) and is empty most of the time. That's particularly true for a football car park that faces very significant peaks.

No one is forcing you to use public transit, they are just no longer subsidizing the car and it's associated urban design which contributed as much to Glasgow's downfall as deindustrialization did.

If we want land values to appreciate and for development to occur in Govan, getting rid of inefficient parking lots is a great first step.

The initial Bruce report had the entire city centre flattened. Kid you not. Everything.
 
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