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That was Waddell. Had the misfortune to meet him when I was a teenager. He was an obnoxious sh*te.Waddell being snide
Fell out with my Dad as The Deedle was his hero and wouln't say a bad word about him.
That was Waddell. Had the misfortune to meet him when I was a teenager. He was an obnoxious sh*te.Waddell being snide
Think I had the same childhood as yourself!
It didn’t help Davie White in 1968/69 when we lost Colin Stein for a few weeks at a vital part of the season.
I was at that match against Clyde on the 15th March 1969, when he was sent off, and I was also at that disastrous 0-4 cup final defeat
I recall the Eddie Mulherron incident and Colin being sent off. However...this was second sending off of the season and should have been 5 match ban. Kelly of the Tims was on SFA then and he said he should be made an example of and given a 6 match ban. He was and the 6th game was v that mhob in cup final. Ferguson played instead. Should have picked McNeil up at corners (he didn't) and the rest is history. The SFA were even corrupt then and bullied by a Shettleston Harrier.I recall that incident in Clyde game so vividly. Eddie Mulhearn,a rabid beast if ever there was one, kicked Stein all game with no protection from the Ref. I was in the Copland terrace right in front of the incident and Colin Stein just lost it. Ran up and just booted him like a fight in the school playground. I always remember my Old Man saying that was when we lost the Cup Final.
As for the Cup Final, I was gutted that I had to miss it because I was playing in a semi final for my boys team. I remember the disbelief when we heard the score.
Bans were given in weeks back then not games. The ban was given out to ensure that he would miss any potential cup final replay.I recall the Eddie Mulherron incident and Colin being sent off. However...this was second sending off of the season and should have been 5 match ban. Kelly of the Tims was on SFA then and he said he should be made an example of and given a 6 match ban. He was and the 6th game was v that mhob in cup final. Ferguson played instead. Should have picked McNeil up at corners (he didn't) and the rest is history. The SFA were even corrupt then and bullied by a Shettleston Harrier.
Whether it was games or weeks - my point is Robert Kelly ensured Stein would not play in the cup final.Bans were given in weeks back then not games. The ban was given out to ensure that he would miss any potential cup final replay.
I recall that incident in Clyde game so vividly. Eddie Mulhearn,a rabid beast if ever there was one, kicked Stein all game with no protection from the Ref. I was in the Copland terrace right in front of the incident and Colin Stein just lost it. Ran up and just booted him like a fight in the school playground. I always remember my Old Man saying that was when we lost the Cup Final.
As for the Cup Final, I was gutted that I had to miss it because I was playing in a semi final for my boys team. I remember the disbelief when we heard the score.
They were knocked out in the preliminary round. They didn't make the first round!They were knocked out in the first round by a team who were themselves knocked out in the second round - by Gornik Zabrze
Same season. Glasgow Cup semi.Did we not win 4-3 as well around the same time?
In the league, did we win the home game against the scum?Same season. Glasgow Cup semi.
Wee bud got eight goals at the cesspit that season.
Two in the aforementioned league game. A hat trick in the SC semi v Aberdeen and this game also.
1-0 on Ne'erday. John Greig penalty.In the league, did we win the home game against the scum?
A wee bit younger, it was a long, long summer.Same as myself.
Wasn't fun being a ten year old at the time.
There's a considerable difference between Waddell's comments and Ferguson's given Waddell had been a success and won something as a manager while Ferguson has achieved nothing as a manager or coach.Interested to hear what those who disapproved of Barry Ferguson and Andy Halliday's remarks on Caixinha think regards Willie Waddell openly undermining "the boy David" in the media at the time? Was it seen as disrespectful, or was it welcomed?
Was there a significant portion who believed White needed more time?
Was 1969 mate.
And to miss any replay. Utter farce!Whether it was games or weeks - my point is Robert Kelly ensured Stein would not play in the cup final.
It was, but it was the spring of the 68/69 season.That's even stranger. I was at the game but that makes me 14 at the time. Did we lose 3 1 in both legs?
I remember us beating Athletico Bilbao 4 1 at Ibrox. That was one of my first big european nights. I thought that was 1969.
I'll need to Google.
There's also a difference in that White was the manager of the club when Waddell started putting pressure on White with his comments as a sports reporter, Waddell used his legendary status to instill an upsurge of pressure and criticism of White for his own ends. Quite reprehensible behavior from someone who was looked on as a true great of the club.There's a considerable difference between Waddell's comments and Ferguson's given Waddell had been a success and won something as a manager while Ferguson has achieved nothing as a manager or coach.
A touch before my time but, was Stein’s ban amongst the longest handed out since Woodburn’s sine die?Bans were given in weeks back then not games. The ban was given out to ensure that he would miss any potential cup final replay.
The single most calamitous footballing decision ever made by a Rangers board was getting rid of Forrest after Berwick.I was only young at the time but I recall Davy White was the first "tracksuit manager"
With regards to the Gornik game he had a revolutionary idea to attack away from home when it was normal to defend for your life,back then a 0-0 away from home was a great result,nowadays it's a dangerous one.
He was actually a bit unlucky we were only down 2-1 and Gornik scored at the death to kill us.
I don't blame Davy White at all,the board threw in a young in experienced manager against Celtics best manager and team they have ever had.
IMO the Board were responsible for years of celtic winning everything when they got rid of Scot Symon and sacking Jim Forrest and George McLean,we would have probably one the cup winners cup in 67 with them in the team.
Wait until you hear how Bill Struth dodged being pensioned off...There's also a difference in that White was the manager of the club when Waddell started putting pressure on White with his comments as a sports reporter, Waddell used his legendary status to instill an upsurge of pressure and criticism of White for his own ends. Quite reprehensible behavior from someone who was looked on as a true great of the club.
Your Dad and Uncle wernt wrong mate.The single most calamitous footballing decision ever made by a Rangers board was getting rid of Forrest after Berwick.
Cost us the league that season and the ECWC as well.
That’s the line my dad and my uncles took all through my childhood years.
I've read the Bill Struth biography by Leggat. A power struggle between Struth and Jimmy Bowie. It happens at boardroom level but I found Waddells targeting of White in such a way as very disgraceful indeed in order to manipulate the board of the dayWait until you hear how Bill Struth dodged being pensioned off...
It was, but it was the spring of the 68/69 season.
Gornick was a few months later at the start of the 69/70 season.
Harold Davis book talks about Davie White being ahead of his time on the coaching side of the game, but needed a hard man beside him. Davis was his assistant at Dundee and they did well beating Jock Stein's mob in one of the cup finals. Davis also said Waddell played a part in what happened to White at Rangers.Willie Waddell and his Boy David quote put the nail in the coffin and Davy Whites comment about not prepared to, Sit in the Managers Chair. Looking back now I think a comparison could be Warburton, to big a job, with Waddell hovering in the background.
I believe the yahoos were the first ever defending cup holders to be knocked out in the first round of the competition.I’m not disputing the fact that Celtic were a good side in those days and there’s an ongoing narrative about the brilliance of the much ballyhooed ‘67 Euro cup winning side.
There’s almost however a Parkhead style cover up of their defence of the trophy. It started in August ‘67, just a couple of months after the Lisbon final.
They were knocked out in the first round by a team who were themselves knocked out the second round.
Where is this book available?I've read the Bill Struth biography by Leggat. A power struggle between Struth and Jimmy Bowie. It happens at boardroom level but I found Waddells targeting of White in such a way as very disgraceful indeed in order to manipulate the board of the day
Not according to Wikipedia. It was the first round. Why would the winners have been in a preliminary round anyway?They were knocked out in the preliminary round. They didn't make the first round!
You attempt to smear the name of the greatest ever Ranger in terms of his contribution to our history as you didn’t like the way he spoke to you once, yet have ‘loyal’ in your username. Jog on.That was Waddell. Had the misfortune to meet him when I was a teenager. He was an obnoxious sh*te.
Fell out with my Dad as The Deedle was his hero and wouln't say a bad word about him.
I got it on Amazon, mate. I also got Scot Symon biography also by Leggat but from another source as it wasn't available on Amazon, both good reading. I will find the source for the Symon book if you likeWhere is this book available?
Symons sacking had nothing to do with White.Was DW not assistant to Scot Simon?
I seem to remember being totally perplexed that Symon was sacked when top of the league, and I was never a fan of White after that.
There's a considerable difference between Waddell's comments and Ferguson's given Waddell had been a success and won something as a manager while Ferguson has achieved nothing as a manager or coach.
The game we lost was at Ibrox. I was there.White was unlucky in his first season not to win the title but dropping points v Dundee Utd and Morton in the last 6 game run in cost us the league tbh. The team only lost once in the league that season v Aberdeen in the last game at Pittodrie but even if we had won that game we would still have finished second as that mob from the east end had a superior goal average.
Once since the Second World War, before 1966. That was in 1954. Their previous win before that was 1936, which was 31 seasons earlier.As in most things in life context is everything. Whilst White was up against Stein and their greatest ever side, that dominance had come almost out of the blue. No more than 5 years previous they were getting their arses handed to them on a plate by Baxter Millar et al, indeed pre Stein they had won the league a mere handful of times in the previous 30 years. The biggest fault lies at the door of a board who lacked any clear vision to counter a clearly shrewd opponent.
As holders they went straight into the first round properThey were knocked out in the preliminary round. They didn't make the first round!
So was I but got it mixed up with a game at Pittodrie in 1972/73 season, 2-2 drawThe game we lost was at Ibrox. I was there.
I was too lazy to google.Once since the Second World War, before 1966. That was in 1954. Their previous win before that was 1936, which was 31 seasons earlier.
So literally once in 30 years.
Was DW not assistant to Scot Simon?
I seem to remember being totally perplexed that Symon was sacked when top of the league, and I was never a fan of White after that.
Once since the Second World War, before 1966. That was in 1954. Their previous win before that was 1936, which was 31 seasons earlier.
So literally once in 30 years.
Waddell wasn't at the club when Symon was sacked and reading Symons biography both Symon and Waddell were good friends. It was Willie Allison who had most to do with the sackingThe only inside story I've ever known and will ever know regarding Rangers was regarding the dismissal of Scott Symon so not directly related to the O.P, apologies.
It was told to me face to face by a gentleman beyond reproach, who's still with us.
He said it was a total disgrace from the entire Rangers board, Waddell the worst and he actually resigned from the club due to it.
You are 100% correct bro. We played some of the best football I’ve seen under White. He didn’t have an ounce of luck and made a very bad decision by bringing Baxter back,as Jim was no longer slim and undermined him.We played a lot of very good football under David White. I will always look on him as a manager who had very little luck in important games when it really mattered. Missed penalties, goalkeeping blunders, shots kicked off the line; they are all in there and had he had the luck for even one of those breaks to go our way, his time at Ibrox could have been a lot different and a lot longer.
Waddell wasn't at the club when Symon was sacked and reading Symons biography both Symon and Waddell were good friends. It was Willie Allison who had most to do with the sacking
Stein was a modern manager who grasped the changes that the game in the sixties was undergoing.As in most things in life context is everything. Whilst White was up against Stein and their greatest ever side, that dominance had come almost out of the blue. No more than 5 years previous they were getting their arses handed to them on a plate by Baxter Millar et al, indeed pre Stein they had won the league a mere handful of times in the previous 30 years. The biggest fault lies at the door of a board who lacked any clear vision to counter a clearly shrewd opponent.
I was only young at the time but I recall Davy White was the first "tracksuit manager"
With regards to the Gornik game he had a revolutionary idea to attack away from home when it was normal to defend for your life,back then a 0-0 away from home was a great result,nowadays it's a dangerous one.
He was actually a bit unlucky we were only down 2-1 and Gornik scored at the death to kill us.
I don't blame Davy White at all,the board threw in a young in experienced manager against Celtics best manager and team they have ever had.
IMO the Board were responsible for years of celtic winning everything when they got rid of Scot Symon and sacking Jim Forrest and George McLean,we would have probably one the cup winners cup in 67 with them in the team.
I believe the yahoos were the first ever defending cup holders to be knocked out in the first round of the competition.