Totally can't be arsed with the age old debate, but he is an utter machine. I don't think there ever has or ever will be a player with such a dedication to making himself better. He is unreal.
The majority of the ones used by footballers.Would depend what specific skill, technique or ability was being spoken about to be fair.
I think you're close with what you're saying.They are both phenomenons who've been at the top of the pile almost from day 1 of their respective careers. But I don't think many people genuinely believe Ronaldo is a better footballer than Messi in terms of skill, technique or ability. Both players will be remembered for as long as football is a thing.
There is no doubt his drive and determination is what has set him apart - he is a freak of nature. The fact he's even kept himself in the discussion with a guy as naturally gifted as Messi proves that. I don't think it's an insult to say Messi is more talented than Ronaldo - I don't think it's even slightly controversial.I think you're close with what you're saying.
However, I'd put it down to Messi having the natural god given ability, whilst Ronaldo has worked ridiculously hard to equal Messi's ability.
The majority of the ones used by footballers.
Not even close to Pele’s record.Most goals in the history of football.
Champions League all time scorer.
Top scorer in the history of international football.
All from a guy who played the first 3/4 seasons of his career as a winger with minimal end product.
The evolution of his game is genuinely unbelievable and its down to hard work, sacrifice and a drive that no other footballer has ever had.
GOAT.
Pele counts goals he scored against his kids in the garden.Not even close to Pele’s record.
Even Trump couldn’t make that one fly.
Not a good start to an argument when the first line falls flat on its face.
You just made a complete arse of that didn’t you? :shh:Not even close to Pele’s record.
Even Trump couldn’t make that one fly.
Not a good start to an argument when the first line falls flat on its face.
Not even close to Pele’s record.
Would depend what specific skill, technique or ability was being spoken about to be fair.
Well I can't imagine many people watch football and think "ooft that header was out of this world...but dribbling past 4 or 5 players before scoring, nah not for me".
Better call Guinness then to tell them Norris Mcwhirter fucked up that particular world record.You just made a complete arse of that didn’t you? :shh:
Ronaldo’s official goals tally is now well ahead of Pele’s, and that quite literally is a fact from FIFA.
Pele’s claimed goals are highly dubious to say the least
That's a quite mad statement to me be honest with you, I doubt many actually simply reduce football down like that and likely appreciate both talents to be honest with you bud.
I, and based on the reaction, about 50,000 other people, in the stadium alone, not even considering the numbers not in the stadium, thought the goal scored by Hellander at the weekend was absolutely fantastic, it didn't really matter to many that it was a header rather than dribbling past 4 or 5 players.
Not even close to Pele’s record.
Even Trump couldn’t make that one fly.
Not a good start to an argument when the first line falls flat on its face.
I said it purely based on the previous post about each of them being better than the other at certain things - when (IMO) the things that make someone love football, Messi is clear - passing, dribbling, variety of goals, vision...basically Messi has something magic in him whereas Ronaldo is 'just' a goalscoring machine, ruthless and efficient. But you could watch a game whereRonaldodoes nothing the full game then pops up with a goal, whereas with Messi he'll drop into midfield and make things happen.
Personal opinion.
You said "most goals in football history"*shakes head in disbelief*
You're arguing with FACT.
You said "most goals in football history"
The goalposts have clearly been moved in terms of what FIFA now deem as official and unofficial matches, to the point where it is now almost impossible to put an absolute figure on the number of goals he actually scored. Most people, though, accept that it was well over 1,000 including friendly matches. However, when you consider that FIFA count goals scored in international friendly matches towards their "official" totals, why should their statistics be taken as gospel above anyone else's, such as the Guinness World Records?
Don’t back down. Double down!Better call Guinness then to tell them Norris Mcwhirter fucked up that particular world record.
you could replace the name Ronaldo with McCoist there, and also argue McCoist made a hell of a lot of Rangers fans fall in love with Football.
I don't really think fans on the whole are specifically tied to specific skills when they fall in love with football, it can be an absolute bucket load of things that make that happen, seeing the wee white thing go in the net thing means a hell of a lot to a lot of people.
I wonder what Ronaldo’s total would be if he counted a kick about in training against the reserves and the like?You are arguing a point Pele doesn't even argue anymore
If you prefer watching someone who just scores goals then fair enough.
I'd imagine most people watch football to be blown away and "wowed" by things...like a player going past 5 defenders before scoring (hence why Maradona's goal in 1986 is still discussed).
Simply because he makes a point of congratulating others on overtaking his "official" total, or what others have recently reimagined as official, does not mean that he would not still argue that he still holds the record for most goals ever scored as a professional footballer. I would trust the person that actually scored those goals and the club/country which they scored them for to know better what that number is than anyone else.You are arguing a point Pele doesn't even argue anymore
I personally don't just see Ronaldo like that, nor has he just been that across his career. I find that statement a red herring, and even if that was all he did, sure, I enjoy the art of people making the most of their skills, technique and abilities, whatever that might be, McCoist for instance, really lived in the world of just scoring goals, and I adored him for that.
I reckon a lot of fans fair enjoyed the header of Van Persie's header against Spain, I don't think most fans limit themselves to the things they have to be blown away by, nature of the sport, Rangers fans would have been blown away by the performance of Cuellar v Fiorentina, McGregors save vs Prague, Roofes goal v Liege, football is about an absolute bucket load of things that can "wow" fans.
Simply because he makes a point of congratulating others on overtaking his "official" total, or what others have recently reimagined as official, does not mean that he would not still argue that he still holds the record for most goals ever scored as a professional footballer. I would trust the person that actually scored those goals and the club/country which they scored them for to know better what that number is than anyone else.
Probably still less than Pele's. Might as well include them, if international friendly matches are counted as official.I wonder what Ronaldo’s total would be if he counted a kick about in training against the reserves and the like?
Fair enough, but when comparing Messi and Ronaldo...for me, all that Ronaldo has over him is aerial ability (due to height obviously) and his weaker foot being better.
Pele's own instagram still claims that he is the "leading goal scorer of all time (1,283)" so i'm really not.Sorry, you are now arguing with Pele as well, this is....
Pele's own instagram still claims that he is the "leading goal scorer of all time (1,283)" so i'm really not.
If you prefer watching someone who just scores goals then fair enough.
I'd imagine most people watch football to be blown away and "wowed" by things...like a player going past 5 defenders before scoring (hence why Maradona's goal in 1986 is still discussed).
I love the way Ronaldo has adapted his game as he has got older though. He was exciting to watch when he was younger, as exciting as anyone really when he was a winger who liked to just take players on at will and could score all types of goals. The fact he has adapted his game as he has become older is just another sign of his genius imo.
I don't think there is a great difference in their ability to dribble the ball personally, Ronaldo when he first broke through in particular was one of the most innovative players I had seen with a ball at his feet, it gets taken for granted now just how innovative he was at that particular skill more so during his early career, he has adapted. Messi does it different to Ronaldo, not denying that and Messi is incredible in the way he dribbles the ball, clearly, but it has been a hell of an asset for Ronaldo, wouldn't say there is a great deal in it.
I love the way Ronaldo has adapted his game as he has got older though. He was exciting to watch when he was younger, as exciting as anyone really when he was a winger who liked to just take players on at will and could score all types of goals. The fact he has adapted his game as he has become older is just another sign of his genius imo.
I'm sorry but that's just a million miles from reality. Ronaldo used to do a lot of flashy step overs etc, but he's never been anywhere close to Messi in terms of dribbling.
His debut for Man U against Bolton is still one of the most head wrecking first impressions a player has ever made on me, the other actually being Van Persie against us.
He was game changing in that display against Bolton, game changing as in it slightly changed how some played football, I think it is slightly under rated and appreciated just how different players like Ronaldo and Robben were when they first came on the scene in England, it was like they had come from space.
There had clearly been gifted wingers like them both before, but the skills, stepovers, they were generation defining players the way they played.
Messi has as well though. He started off as a right winger who would run at defenders, dribble past loads of them before doing something. As he got older and lost a yard of pace, he started to drop deeper and deeper to become a playmaker. The fact he's been able to score so many goals whilst being Barca's main creative player as well is unbelievable.
I'm sorry but that's just a million miles from reality. Ronaldo used to do a lot of flashy step overs etc, but he's never been anywhere close to Messi in terms of dribbling.
Sorry but I can't take anyone seriously comparing their ability to dribble the ball - behave.
Saying Ronaldo is as good as Messi at dribbling is honestly as absurd as saying Messi is as good as Ronaldo in the air. They are lightyears apart.
He is 36 and I never said he was a diddy. Don't be ridiculous.Oh aye, he is a right diddy, he is the best part of 40 and still rinsing players.
The goalposts haven't been moved.You said "most goals in football history"
The goalposts have clearly been moved in terms of what FIFA now deem as official and unofficial matches, to the point where it is now almost impossible to put an absolute figure on the number of goals he actually scored. Most people, though, accept that it was well over 1,000 including friendly matches. However, when you consider that FIFA count goals scored in international friendly matches towards their "official" totals, why should their statistics be taken as gospel above anyone else's, such as the Guinness World Records?
Another Champions League game winning goal today, brilliant header, just another day at the office.
Thought he was having another poor performance but doesn't matter a %^*& when he pops up with that. Ole will be kicking himself he never started him against Everton.