That's your opinion however I'm still awaiting an answer as to which manager took us from being do far behind to becoming champions. I get you don't like Liverpool or Gerrard but facts will speak for themselves and you are the only one embarrassing yourself trying to argue against it.
5th to 1st or 3rd to 1st after 3 bites at the cherry? I mean I really worry for you if you can’t work out how 5th is further behind than 3rd. Not to mention the fact 86 was a time when the overall strength of the league was far greater. I’m also not offering opinions, I’m offering factual evidence. You see I only deal with reality, I’m not interested in living in a made up world where I only see what I wish to see based on my own prejudices.
Guarantee he’ll be googling that right now
You don't care about Gerrard but you don't miss a chance to besmirch his time managing us.Souness and 1986 that championship season which was a brilliant achievement however were we suffering record breaking defeats against Celtic and were we being subjected to Celtic players tieing scarfs to goalposts.
No need for Google however still awaiting you telling me who took us to a title from being as far behind as Gerrard's team was, I suspect I'll be waiting a while.
He'll do well there ,unfortunately we didn't back him after we won 55 however our loss will be Villa's gain.
You don’t care about Rangers as much though. And in what way am I besmirching it? 55 was great, Europe was great, his first two seasons were littered with embarrassing results/patches of form and the way he left was less than endearing. I’m not the one lying and making up nonsense to shame the board here, now that’s what you call besmirched.
So does that mean you can't think of a manager that's taken us from being so far behind Celtic to champions the way Gerrard did then?
I would leave this, he's not doing well there and I'm not sure how that changes any time soon.
Many were expecting or hoping he dropped points to Everton but he didn't I'm sure after Villa's next defeat all the Gerrard haters will be hoping he gets sacked that's why the thread was started.
That's a huge blow however he's at a club where he'll be backed now.
Fingers crossed.
One result against a very poor Everton side hardly means he's doing well. I don't think anyone hates Gerrard, but he's gone and that's that.
Why is that your only gauge for success? Can you talk us through Gerrard's cup record? And try to do it without mentioning tying scarfs around goalposts and heavy defeats to Celtic.
So you’re contending he wasn’t backed at Ibrox and that’s why he left?
As is all midlands clubs , not an attraction for top managers or potential top managers to go to.
Id say thats underestimating the situation to a breath-taking degree. Its not like Rangers had underachieved for a season or two and needed picking up, the club was at Rock-bottom after years of being mismanaged on and off the pitch. All aspects of its operation and lifeblood needed to be changed and upgraded, this being done against an ever increasing barrier of pressure as season after season of failure built up.
After winning the league he was expecting to be backed and wasn't and I believe that was a huge factor in him leaving.
Gerrard's cup record was poor although I believe he won the trophy that mattered more than any other. Would you have preferred him winning a few cups but not the league I certainly wouldn't.
Correct.
"Poor" it was absolutely disgraceful. And of course I'd prefer the league over a cup, but that doesn't excuse his awful cup record.
he came, he won the league, he left. Being bitter about it is just weird. He did inherit us from one of the worst positions in our lifetime, it was always going to take a while to win the league. I’m sure he will finish in the 8th-12th range, they’ll need to sign a new centre back for that, plus a number 8.
Do you not think his performances in Europe and winning us 55 far outweighed the negatives regarding his cup record.
Of course it outweighed them, but it doesn't excuse them.
You are aware it was his team that reached the final.
I'm in no way trying to excuse his cup record because it should have been better however this he only won one trophy stuff is a poor attempt to besmirch what he actually achieved with us because the one trophy he did win mattered more than any other.
We would never have reached a european final under Gerrard , Gio is far better tactically than Gerrard.
It's not a poor attempt, it's a fact. And it wasn't Celtic beating us in these cup competitions. It was St Johnstone, St Mirren, Aberdeen and Hearts.
I’m genuinely stunned at some of the posts in this thread!
There’s either a good few bitter men in here regards Gerrard leaving or you don’t/didn’t share the same experience as a supporter I did in terms of winning 55,stopping 10IAR,rescuing the club on the field and ultimately coming out victorious at the end of a draining and epic 10 year battle against that mob and Scottish football and a large part of society.
We all know that it was a ramshackled attempt at 10IAR due to us being exiled and them being awarded trophies for leagues that were abandoned but our lives as Rangers supporters would’ve been hell if they’d achieved it.
Tav,Morelos,Goldson,Kent,Dougie Park,Dave King,the whole cast would’ve been deemed as failures,players sold,teams broken up,reputations and legacy ruined.
Stopping that 10IAR attempt was much more important and meant a lot more than stopping them in the 70s or our failed attempt in the 90s.After everything that went on from 2012 was onwards it meant everything or it certainly did to me.It meant the world as a Rangers supporter.
To hear folk attempt to talk down it or bitch about the domestic cup record is actually tragic.Gerrard took us from 12 old firm games without a win and receiving some serious hidings to the dominant force in these fixtures.
He punched well above our wait in Europe under him.We had no right going into match day 6 that first season still with a chance of qualification.The 4 round route to the group stages alone was impressive.The second season we made it to the last 16 after some tremendous performances against Porto,Feyenoord and Braga.By year 3 we were in cruise control in the group and went out to an evenly matched Slavia Prague.
Gerrard turned this club around and delivered us one of if not the most important title in our 150 year history and as the invincible champions from a position a country mile behind the tims.
I’m also not sure how anyone can’t claim GvB is an upgrade or better manager.The jury is out on that one and time will tell.Oh and Seville doesn’t happen without Gerrard who imo takes a chunk of credit for it.It was his team,his players and his inroads in Europe the previous 3 season that gave us and the players the base for that run.
Gerrard was a young man in his first managerial job under immense pressure and had us from the day he took over to 55 on an upwards trajectory.The second season collapse was heartbreaking at the time and frustrating but that shi!t happens when a club or group of players is out to achieve what we were trying to do.Look at Manchester Utd in 1991/92 the year before they eventually ended their 25 year drought.It was uncharted territory for almost the whole squad bar McGregor & Davis.
Maybe the guys skimming over the actually reality of what happened and unfolded are the same guys that used to post when we were in the lower leagues they didn’t miss the old firm games and wouldn’t attend them again when we got back to the top flight.Severe lack of tickets on sale in the FF ticket office on old firm week..
If King,the 3 bears,Paul Murray etc save the club off the park,Gerrard and his management team saved it on it and I’ll be forever grateful to each and everyone of them.
Based on the fact we were dropping points under Gerrard.
It's far less about people besmirching anything and much more about being pragmatic about his overall achievements versus you claiming he'll go down as our greatest ever manager.
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I'm still waiting on you letting me know what manager took us from as far behind Celtic on the park and off the park financially and managed us to become champions the way Gerrard did. Obviously managers have been far more successful however our history will look very kindly on Gerrard's tenure.
Look, I wish Gerrard no ill will and will always be grateful for 55, but in the name of fuuk, that is a ridiculous statement.
You can even give him all the context in the world, it won’t matter a jot. He lives in a world where up is down and black is white. Where 5th place is a higher finish than 3rd place. Where winning the league in your first attempt is less impressive than needing 3 attempts. Where the board putting their hand in their own pocket time and again is viewed as “not being backed”, where winning one medal and sneaking out the back door puts a manager in pole position to be viewed as our greatest ever manager. Where someone tying a scarf to a post in a completely different era somehow increases the difficulty of the job someone has about 15 years later.
