£6m bid for Morelos rejected??

Edouard looks talented no doubt about it,but 9 million(if it's actually anywhere near that)is too much.
The problem they have is Dumbele's value has plummeted-so as well as paying too much for the former,they won't make anywhere near what they hoped for the latter.

Morelos is good with potential to get better,but if we get six million plus as well as a percentage of any sell on I'd expect him to go.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
Aye, and another three of his goals came in a single match against Motherwell. So what? Little point in narrowing it down to one, or two, games. The stats I quoted are for league matches over the season. There’s little to choose between them on a pro rata basis - but, for me, Morelos edges it in hard work.
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Edouard sat on the bench for 75% of the season and Morelos started most games for us.

The bottom line is strikers are remembered and judged (primarily) on goals. Morelos, for all his hold up play and work rate is great, will be remembered in years to come by Rangers Fans as the guy who missed sitters against the filth your granny would score. Van Vossen is remembered to this day for ''that miss'' 20 years ago, it'll be the same with Morelos.
 
I reckon we will probably deal at £7m with a 20% sell on clause, not a bad deal as his heads not in it anymore even with Stevie G at the helm.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
Aye, and another three of his goals came in a single match against Motherwell. So what? Little point in narrowing it down to one, or two, games. The stats I quoted are for league matches over the season. There’s little to choose between them on a pro rata basis - but, for me, Morelos edges it in hard work.
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Give me the boy that takes a chance over someone that works "hard".
Hard work isn't a footballing attribute mate.
Probably being tough on you as you no doubt mean work the line and hold the ball up which Morelos is great at
 
Drumchapel-Bear said:
Edouard sat on the bench for 75% of the season and Morelos started most games for us.

The bottom line is strikers are remembered and judged (primarily) on goals. Morelos, for all his hold up play and work rate is great, will be remembered in years to come by Rangers Fans as the guy who missed sitters against the filth your granny would score. Van Vossen is remembered to this day for ''that miss'' 20 years ago, it'll be the same with Morelos.
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The figures I quoted are for appearances. I concede I haven’t looked at how many each made off the bench, will leave that to you. I also agree Morelos needs to do score against the Dhims. I’m confident he will. I guess you also have to factor in that with, arguably, better quality around him Eduoarde is going to get more chances per 90 minutes than Morelos did last season.

There really isn’t a lot between them in terms of goals per appearance.
 
Gioloya1 said:
Give me the boy that takes a chance over someone that works "hard".
Hard work isn't a footballing attribute mate.
Probably being tough on you as you no doubt mean work the line and hold the ball up which Morelos is great at
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My original point was that in terms of goals per appearance there is little to choose between them - despite Morelos misses and the fact that Eduoarde probably has better quality around him to create the chances. The ‘hard work’ comment was the tie-breaker.:p
 
RDFM said:
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Exactly with the sun running the story? Big question mark over its head for me aswell. It all rather seems to me it's just to cause shite and be disruptive as possible to SGs upcoming plans and trying to unsettle the camp. I've probably smoked too much reefer but so what do I know.
 
I'm all for cashing in on Morelos at the right price, but some posters are wired to the moon saying he's not good enough. Goals aside, he offers so much up front and bullies defenders. I haven't seen anyone out muscle him this season and he's not exactly the biggest guy in the world.

There's a lot more to playing centre forward than scoring goals these days. With the right coaching, he'll be a star. Just remember how good he was last season under two utter diddies.

I'd rather he stayed, but wouldn't mind him leaving to fund our ambitions. Just as long as we get value.
 
Don't see why we should take a penny less than what was offered for him in January. If anything, we should be looking for more given he signed a new contract
 
£6m is a more than fair offer in my opinion. Although clubs usually start lower than willing to go, so might as well hold out for more.
 
The wild defense of the preciousness of Morelos on this board defies sanity. A few things...

“He’s played all year he just needs a break!” Non issue, if he wasn’t fit and able to play, our coaches wouldn’t put him in that situation and wouldn’t be playing him.

“He’s so young!” No other player gets so much grace here simply for being on the younger side. Nobody.

And, if any other player so much as hints the faintest clue about maybe rather playing somewhere else the board explodes with “Hell with him off with him you don’t want us we don’t want you!” But with Morelos it’s all ignoring his wanting to use our club in his own words as a stepping stone to England (lol).

When Windass and others turn off and walk/wander the pitch they are properly slated. Not so with Morelos. He's apparently allowed to jog downfield, put his hands on his hips and mouth off without criticism.

The fact remains that he is a small-game player whose nerves and anger get the better of him anywhere outside of Finland and low-intensity matches in the SPL. He’s not a finisher, a constant complainer and will never get better as long as so many supporters think he can do now wrong.

6 million? Easiest call all day.
 
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Yer da said:
I'm all for cashing in on Morelos at the right price, but some posters are wired to the moon saying he's not good enough. Goals aside, he offers so much up front and bullies defenders. I haven't seen anyone out muscle him this season and he's not exactly the biggest guy in the world.

There's a lot more to playing centre forward than scoring goals these days. With the right coaching, he'll be a star. Just remember how good he was last season under two utter diddies.

I'd rather he stayed, but wouldn't mind him leaving to fund our ambitions. Just as long as we get value.
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He was probably my favourite player last season. His workrate off the ball was excellent an he gave defenders a hellish time.
 
I believe he has the potential to be a seriously good striker at a reasonably big EPL club, which I think would be his preferred future (Colombian selectors would take notice of him there as opposed to China or even Turkey). Let us hope that Mr Gerrard can re-enthuse him,encourage him to score plenty of goals and sell him for serious money next summer.
 
We really need some timblogger or rhabid journalist expert type thats got sources in China, Turkish & Scottish football right about now to give us the lowdown, you know? It's the only way we will hear the truth :eek:
 
How would a Turkish club know what a Chinese club bid. Sounds pretty bizarre all this and just papers making shite up.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
Aye, and another three of his goals came in a single match against Motherwell. So what? Little point in narrowing it down to one, or two, games. The stats I quoted are for league matches over the season. There’s little to choose between them on a pro rata basis - but, for me, Morelos edges it in hard work.
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Their minutes to goals ratio
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/alfredo-morelos/profil/spieler/338962
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/odsonne-edouard/profil/spieler/344152

Neither are worth the fees being talked about. Hopefully Morelos knuckles down and kicks on for us next season though, great potential.
 
Daz1690 said:
I reckon we will probably deal at £7m with a 20% sell on clause, not a bad deal as his heads not in it anymore even with Stevie G at the helm.
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That’s just bollocks to be honest, his head wasn’t in it with one of the worst performing managers we have ever had in our history and then taken over by a youth coach for the remainder of the season. Let’s not even get started on how the support was on the pitch for him. Having someone like Gerrard commanding could be exactly what he needs, the gaffer needs time but I’ve no doubt SG will see what Fred has and will do everything he can to keep him and I really hope he does.
 
£8M seems a popular price. Id accept that.

Solanke could be one of 3, probably 4 strikers we need.

600K for Cummings is worth it if it's still on the table.

£4M for a reserve player, in the last year of his contract, who has been shunted out on loan, is too much despite him winning his first Scotland caps.

If not McBurnie then who? I've no idea except to say that we will not be able to afford 3 or 4 decent strikers from England.
 
Cooperfan said:
£8M seems a popular price. Id accept that.

Solanke could be one of 3, probably 4 strikers we need.

600K for Cummings is worth it if it's still on the table.

£4M for a reserve player, in the last year of his contract, who has been shunted out on loan, is too much despite him winning his first Scotland caps.

If not McBurnie then who? I've no idea except to say that we will not be able to afford 3 or 4 decent strikers from England.
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Said this before,but I'd go balls deep for a quality striker with potential to sell in three or four years time;

Guts of five million for Prevjlak
450k or so for Lafferty
Solanke hopefully on loan near the end of the window
Use young Rudden as fourth choice striker

It's a risky strategy no doubt,but one that could reap huge rewards imo.McBurnie I like,but he's not worth more than 2 million to us I reckon.
 
A phrase that seems apt for Morelos was once said about an off form Alan Shearer - “sulks around the pitch as though the game owes him a goal”. Nonetheless, he is an asset and as it’s early in the window, let’s start a bidding war.
 
I'd keep him as I think he'll improve greatly playing alongside better quality players. I'm not sure where the opinion that his attitude is poor has come from. I felt his attitude was fine I was under the impression that it was his confidence that took a knock after missing some sitters.
 
Yer da said:
I'm all for cashing in on Morelos at the right price, but some posters are wired to the moon saying he's not good enough. Goals aside, he offers so much up front and bullies defenders. I haven't seen anyone out muscle him this season and he's not exactly the biggest guy in the world.

There's a lot more to playing centre forward than scoring goals these days. With the right coaching, he'll be a star. Just remember how good he was last season under two utter diddies.

I'd rather he stayed, but wouldn't mind him leaving to fund our ambitions. Just as long as we get value.
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Whilst calling for Hardie to be given a game.

Morelos blows Hardie out the water, and he's younger.
 
Speminalium8 said:
It’d be interesting to see what Morelos would do in an SG team but for that money I think I’d be inclined to sell and use the money for the squad. This in the hope our new management team and Mark Allen can unearth a replacement who is just below the radar or who they feel could do a better job
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I tend to agree with this. Chances are he would do better under Gerrard but if there is someone out there better then it's a no-brainer. Get maximum success from the off this season because there is no room for risk.
 
Strange position to be in as we were the leagues top scoring team yet I still wouldn't rate our strikers and I can't see many other teams quaking when they see Cummings or Morelos on the team sheet so for me we need a marquee striker and A.N. Other. Big if, but if he were for sale for a large wedge then he would have to go for the greater good. One of the 2 above can stay and perhaps it would need to be the one with the lowest current market value who some folk on the many forums reckon will be as good as Morelos, given the chance.
 
Despite the arguments on this thread I think most are actually in agreement about the pros and cons of this player. It's basically what happens next that polarises FF.
He leads the line well, and has potential to improve BUT his record of missing sitters is pretty awful.
The argument seems to be about whether or not we can afford to gamble that somehow or other a new coach will improve his chance taking .
Personally I think he is pretty accomplished at the parts of the game which a coach can improve but falls down on the part which can't be coached. i.e. finishing which is something you can do or you can't. Perhaps a resurgence of confidence will help but to have any chance he must improve his attitude and stop throwing teddy oot the cot.
It's a major gamble if we go into the season with Morelos as our main striker because if he misses any more crucial ones from a yard we are in Shit St.
 
I would at least keep him till Jan. With Stevie and Garry at the helm he could just become the player we have seen glimpses of. I think with the correct players around him and a leader on the pitch who can have a quiet word with him then he could be outstanding.

Any1 know how many assists he had last season? Maybe even have him in a number 10 pos with solanke up top could work.
 
Yer da said:
I'm all for cashing in on Morelos at the right price, but some posters are wired to the moon saying he's not good enough. Goals aside, he offers so much up front and bullies defenders. I haven't seen anyone out muscle him this season and he's not exactly the biggest guy in the world.

There's a lot more to playing centre forward than scoring goals these days. With the right coaching, he'll be a star. Just remember how good he was last season under two utter diddies.

I'd rather he stayed, but wouldn't mind him leaving to fund our ambitions. Just as long as we get value.
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Mate,saying 'goals aside' while commenting on a striker is like saying about a pornstar 'aye,apart from the sh@gging part'.

Strikers,especially if they play in a one up front system that most teams do nowadays-need to stick a good percentage of chances away,hitting the target a large majority of the time as well to be considered good at their job.All the good work outwith that means little if you fail on the main part.
 
These numbers you apologists are saying... 8 mil, 10 mil?! Are you SERIOUSLY saying there is 7.5 million difference between him and Cummings? Give me a break, please.

Barry McKay has a bad attitude and looks elsewhere and you people lose your minds with anger, but lil’ Alfie is “a rare talent” as someone said above and gets your undying (unearned) love.

Face it people: the lad can’t finish from feet away from the goal when it matters. No excuses, no surrender.
 
jeanpaulvalley said:
These numbers you apologists are saying... 8 mil, 10 mil?! Are you SERIOUSLY saying there is 7.5 million difference between him and Cummings? Give me a break, please.

Barry McKay has a bad attitude and looks elsewhere and you people lose your minds with anger, but lil’ Alfie is “a rare talent” as someone said above and gets your undying (unearned) love.

Face it people: the lad can’t finish from feet away from the goal when it matters. No excuses, no surrender.
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All I've said - can't speak for others - is that the stats from last season suggest there is little to choose between Morelos and Eduoard. Make of that what you will.

Cummings, despite the weird 'cult' status, was fairly poor - so I've no idea why you would bring him into the conversation mate. He certainly wasn't immune to missing chances.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
All I've said - can't speak for others - is that the stats from last season suggest there is little to choose between Morelos and Eduoard. Make of that what you will.

Cummings, despite the weird 'cult' status, was fairly poor - so I've no idea why you would bring him into the conversation mate. He certainly wasn't immune to missing chances.
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I can take or leave Cummings, though I like watching him play always have, I’m saying that Morelos or Cummings, the game goes the same way, hence the many many threads and changing starting lineups Morelos v. Cummings. There is not much difference between them, certainly not 7 or 8 million as some posters claim by their logic.

And nobody has responded to the lack of heart for and dedication to the Rangers badge double standard that benefits Morelos in such a cozy way around here, as per my posts above.
 
jeanpaulvalley said:
These numbers you apologists are saying... 8 mil, 10 mil?! Are you SERIOUSLY saying there is 7.5 million difference between him and Cummings? Give me a break, please.

Barry McKay has a bad attitude and looks elsewhere and you people lose your minds with anger, but lil’ Alfie is “a rare talent” as someone said above and gets your undying (unearned) love.

Face it people: the lad can’t finish from feet away from the goal when it matters. No excuses, no surrender.
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A rare talent FFS
 
I like him, but would let him go reluctantly if the right bid came in.

It would need to be at least £10m. I wouldn't take a penny less than what we turned down in January.

Also, he is better than that prick celtic signed for £9m.
 
Jonnybear said:
I like him, but would let him go reluctantly if the right bid came in.

It would need to be at least £10m. I wouldn't take a penny less than what we turned down in January.

Also, he is better than that prick celtic signed for £9m.
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Pretty sure King told the guys at ORSA that the biggest bid received was £8.4m - and it wasn’t straightforward. I’d guess we are looking for £7m- £8m, but who knows?
 
Chopper said:
That’s just bollocks to be honest, his head wasn’t in it with one of the worst performing managers we have ever had in our history and then taken over by a youth coach for the remainder of the season. Let’s not even get started on how the support was on the pitch for him. Having someone like Gerrard commanding could be exactly what he needs, the gaffer needs time but I’ve no doubt SG will see what Fred has and will do everything he can to keep him and I really hope he does.
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Wait a minute, so you are completely forgetting the fact that a bid came in for him in the January that the club refused. What did he do?? Went into a fckn sulk because he suddenly thought that he was worth a lot more money than we were paying him! That's why his head wasn't in it for the run in, don't get me wrong, I actually really like Morelos, but his immature sulking and couldn't give a fúck attitude in training was bang out of order.
 
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