5th goal last night

[madride]

Already a thread on VAR but thought this deserved its own.

What a laughable offside from the linesman, look how far onside he was. Looking straight across the line as well.

The officials in this country are woeful

 

[Scott McRoberts]

Was about 3 -4 minutes as well for the VAR decision, crazy

 

[Pepe Silvia]

The length of time it took to reach a decision was mental, quick glance at that is more than enough

 

[Withambear]

Officials will always take the Var route as they are afraid of the consequences if they get it wrong

 

[AlfiesKnees]

The problem here is you look at this and you're trying to determine if it's offside or not.

The official is trying to find a way to prevent the goal.

They are two completely different perspectives and the latter takes 4 minutes, apparently.

 

[Thewandofpedro]

Absolutely mental call from the assistant ref.

They should not be officiating at this level if they can’t call simple ones like that right

 

[Blue55]

Without VAR in place the match officials would have disallowed both those goals !
That makes you question is it at all possible that they are that incompetent or are we being officiated to meet an agenda .

 

[SubGenius]

Said on another thread it was almost like an instinctive reaction.

If in doubt, rule it out.

 

[Halek]

Officials will always take the Var route as they are afraid of the consequences if they get it wrong

Of course they do. It’s the rules.

 

[SIRBLUE]

Without VAR in place the match officials would have disallowed both those goals !
That makes you question is it at all possible that they are that incompetent or are we being officiated to meet an agenda .

No they wouldn't have.
The officials allowed Tav's goal.
VAR held the game up to check it.

 

[SubGenius]

On another note, the fifth and sixth goals were both terrific team efforts - quick one touch moves that just ripped Kilmarnock apart.

More of that please. Lots more.

 

[dublinbluenose]

The length of time it took to reach a decision was mental, quick glance at that is more than enough

The length of time for the first goal was ridiculous.on first viewing you can see tav begins his run behind the last defender.

 

[JC85]

Could see both (1st and 5th) were onside with the naked eye in real time. At the very least, if you're wanting to make sure, the very first replay which was about 10-15 seconds later. Absolutely ridiculous they took so long each time and it's something I'd like to hear Collum answer for in his daft wee pointless fucking interview at the end of the month.

 

[Evano1872]

Off topic slightly however thought this & the 6th goal were really well worked goals. One touch passing & by some miracle both one touch finishes from CD.

 

[Brian Laudrup]

It’s almost as if they were looking for an excuse to chop the goals off but that is just crazy talk, isn’t it??

 

[Corgers]

do they not then go back and look at the attacking phase of play to make sure all is ok?

 

[insanicdrunk]

Without VAR in place the match officials would have disallowed both those goals !
That makes you question is it at all possible that they are that incompetent or are we being officiated to meet an agenda .

Tavs wasn’t flagged off by the other linesman though. It was a joke it went to VAR, but the linesman done his job right.

 

[devilman]

It's insane the way VAR got involved last night. Both weren't even close calls and easy to see on first glance they weren't offside. Just trying way too hard aren't they?

 

[Ally9]

"Quick - find "something" to cancel a Rangers goal !".

 

[cav]

It’s almost as if they were looking for an excuse to chop the goals off but that is just crazy talk, isn’t it??

There's no world where competent people, never mind trained officials - should be taking that long to check the var over goals that were so obviously onside.

 

[JamesyMRR]

VAR used in this way kills the game. It needs to be much quicker.

 

[Dexter25]

The linesman should be demoted for raising his flag there. It's not even close.

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

The lino putting his flag up made absolutely no impact on whether or not the goal was given, it’s purely for show.

The VAR check every goal anyway, and with that being a run in behind, would’ve checked the offside even if he hadn’t flagged.

 

[Groove1]

Was about 3 -4 minutes as well for the VAR decision, crazy

Hard to see if he’s. Offside though the tears.

 

[insanicdrunk]

The lino putting his flag up made absolutely no impact on whether or not the goal was given, it’s purely for show.

The VAR check every goal anyway, and with that being a run in behind, would’ve checked the offside even if he hadn’t flagged.

He should still get the decision correct though, that’s on him not var.

I can’t remember who the VAR was last night but I didn’t recognise the names. It could be the length of time was due to him being a new VAR.

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

He should still get the decision correct though, that’s on him not var.

I can’t remember who the VAR was last night but I didn’t recognise the names. It could be the length of time was due to him being a new VAR.

It literally made no difference. Linesmen are redundant now.

Yeah, it did seem they were breaking a new guy in on the line because you can tell with one look it was well on.

 

[insanicdrunk]

It literally made no difference. Linesmen are redundant now.

Yeah, it did seem they were breaking a new guy in on the line because you can tell with one look it was well on.

The linesman who flagged would have been the senior one as he is on the stand side, IIRC. Though was referring to the VAR.

They are not redundant though, if VAR hadn’t been available at that point the goal is chopped off. They should still be getting the decision correct.

 

[Baldrick]

It’s a howler from the linesman, I can accept that, but what I find strange his just how long it took to confirm this by VAR.

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

The linesman who flagged would have been the senior one as he is on the stand side, IIRC. Though was referring to the VAR.

They are not redundant though, if VAR hadn’t been available at that point the goal is chopped off. They should still be getting the decision correct.

Seniority isn’t a guarantee of competency.

That’s clutching at straws. The guy has flagged because he knows the safety net of VAR is there to catch them when they make a mistake. Of time VAR is available against all the matches it’s used in, I’d bet as a percentage it’s above 99.999% of the time. The tech is extremely reliable that they use (and we pay for).

Yes, the guy should be doing better, but the whole reason the tech was brought in the first place was to take ambiguity out of the game. We’d still have had to wait for the check either way.

 

[Groove1]

Could see both (1st and 5th) were onside with the naked eye in real time. At the very least, if you're wanting to make sure, the very first replay which was about 10-15 seconds later. Absolutely ridiculous they took so long each time and it's something I'd like to hear Collum answer for in his daft wee pointless fucking interview at the end of the month.

The first was wil it went to var n took that long only about 3 players playing him on.

 

[JC85]

It’s a howler from the linesman, I can accept that, but what I find strange his just how long it took to confirm this by VAR.

That's the question I have. You don't even need the lines drawn to see that, it's literally one look at one replay. 10 seconds max. So what the f*ck were they doing?

 

[insanicdrunk]

Seniority isn’t a guarantee of competency.

That’s clutching at straws. The guy has flagged because he knows the safety net of VAR is there to catch them when they make a mistake. Of time VAR is available against all the matches it’s used in, I’d bet as a percentage it’s above 99.999% of the time. The tech is extremely reliable that they use (and we pay for).

Yes, the guy should be doing better, but the whole reason the tech was brought in the first place was to take ambiguity out of the game. We’d still have had to wait for the check either way.

I never said he was competent, in fact I said he made the mistake, you said he was a new guy, I was just pointing out that it wasn’t the case so not sure what you’re talking about clutching at straws.

You might not think it’s important if they get it right it not but it is.

 

[madride]

Seniority isn’t a guarantee of competency.

That’s clutching at straws. The guy has flagged because he knows the safety net of VAR is there to catch them when they make a mistake. Of time VAR is available against all the matches it’s used in, I’d bet as a percentage it’s above 99.999% of the time. The tech is extremely reliable that they use (and we pay for).

Yes, the guy should be doing better, but the whole reason the tech was brought in the first place was to take ambiguity out of the game. We’d still have had to wait for the check either way.

Surely by that rationale he can leave his flag down and VAR will still do its job?

The decision to flag offside was ridiculous

 

[Craigie]

Without VAR in place the match officials would have disallowed both those goals !
That makes you question is it at all possible that they are that incompetent or are we being officiated to meet an agenda .

The flag didn't go up for the first goal.

And you think they tried to cheat us to chalk off a 5th goal (knowing it would be checked) in some attempt to let Kilmarnock back in to the game?

 

[SeahawkRanger]

I sit in GF6 and couldn’t believe the flag went up at the time. Mental decision.

 

[gabrielamato]

The angle you've showed makes it an easy decision, but the assistant referee was about 5 yards further away towards the halfway line. That's no excuse, he should have been up with play.

The next few frames show Jefte miles ahead of their fullback, so I can understand why it was flagged. I'm just glad we have VAR for things like this.

 

[Corporal Jones]

That's the question I have. You don't even need the lines drawn to see that, it's literally one look at one replay. 10 seconds max. So what the f*ck were they doing?

It's called cheating. Pre var we would not have got that goal. Now when we score up goes the flag and they hope it's offside. Enter var and the look all the way back to beginning of the move and scrutinise everything hoping to find something

 

[Arkanoid]

They set the precedent last season with Rangers goals by trawling through multiple phases of play to find an infringement in the OF game, I have zero doubt this is what happens with every incident.
The refs fucked it, so let’s find another incident to cover it

Was about 3 -4 minutes as well for the VAR decision, crazy

 

[TheProdfather]

It's insane the way VAR got involved last night. Both weren't even close calls and easy to see on first glance they weren't offside. Just trying way too hard aren't they?

it's just as well VAR got involved for this one as the linesman flagged offside

 

[Macdonsj]

case like this, the linesman shouldn't flag and let VAR rule it out if necessary
this is why we have VAR

 

[Spudgun]

do they not then go back and look at the attacking phase of play to make sure all is ok?

With us, yes.

Not so much other teams.

 

[devilman]

it's just as well VAR got involved for this one as the linesman flagged offside

That is very true. It still should have been seconds to make the call though and tell the linesman he's got a squint.

 

[Sapien]

A few of us in my row thought Jefte was outside tbh although I'm fairness we were at the other half of the pitch. I couldn't understand them checking Tavs as he clearly ran past their player. Seemed to take an age too.

 

[Stefan Klos]

He should still get the decision correct though, that’s on him not var.

I can’t remember who the VAR was last night but I didn’t recognise the names. It could be the length of time was due to him being a new VAR.

It won’t be new faces on VAR a week on Sunday.

And I can assure you any Rangers goal is going to be put under the microscope like you wouldn’t believe.

I can already hear Rory Hamilton saying “they are just checking this for a potential foul by X/Y/Z back in the Rangers half”

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

I never said he was competent, in fact I said he made the mistake, you said he was a new guy, I was just pointing out that it wasn’t the case so not sure what you’re talking about clutching at straws.

You might not think it’s important if they get it right it not but it is.

I said it was ‘like they were breaking in a new guy’ referring to the time it took the VAR to reach the onside decision. I wasn’t talking about the linesman so you’ve picked that up wrongly.

What’s important is they reach the right decision. Obviously I’d rather the linesman got there from the get-go, but we pushed for years to get VAR so we had absolute decisions, which although it takes a few minutes, we do now with binary decisions like offside or not.

You can be outraged at a referring team reaching the correct decision if you want, but you’re shouting at clouds and dreaming up 1 in a million situations like ‘what if the VAR was broken’.

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

Surely by that rationale he can leave his flag down and VAR will still do its job?

The decision to flag offside was ridiculous

I agree it was, that’s not my point.

My point is that it doesn’t matter whether he puts his flag up, down or takes it home with him.

The process isn’t impacted one iota by the linesman. Yes it’s mildly annoying, but the outrage is just old school guys who don’t understand VAR thinking that the linesman could’ve actually cost us; when it was never a possibility.

 

[BSPECIAL]

Have had form with Potter before. A bitter cheating nasty tardeli.

 

[miraculous]

The problem here is you look at this and you're trying to determine if it's offside or not.

The official is trying to find a way to prevent the goal.

They are two completely different perspectives and the latter takes 4 minutes, apparently.

dunno who the linesman was but his arm shot up almost before the ball was in the net - & yes, I know all of our goals are VAR reviewed

 

[Mal3]

The first was wil it went to var n took that long only about 3 players playing him on.

you literally could not even see tav because of the amount of killie players in front of him in the still pic

 

[Grommitt]

The length of time it took to reach a decision was mental, quick glance at that is more than enough

Well, some poor bugger has to take a photo, get it developed by Kodak and wait for the print to come back in the post, before running to Willie Collum's hoose to get the lines drawn.

All that takes more than a few seconds, you know?