A few words of clarification about Garry O'Hagen

Mondraker said:
Reporting the word 19th Century Terrorist in our songs while showing a picture of them holding up the banners claiming to be 19th Century Terrorists of course for balanced reporting :rolleyes:
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You can only imagine the reaction of the press if we had been hanging porn dolls dressed as the pope or wearing crosses. Those responsible would have been jailed for 10 years for inciting religiously motivated hatred. Instead our press said nada and our police/PF ‘lost’ the evidence. Scotland is a disgrace.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
The proper term for the charges we faced is 'Racist and Discriminatory Conduct' - only nobody has bothered to use that rather misleading and long-winded term.

This is how UEFA define 'Racist and Discriminatory Conduct'.

Any person under the scope of Article 3 who insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons on whatever grounds, including skin colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, gender or sexual orientation, incurs a suspension lasting at least ten matches or a specified period of time, or any other appropriate sanction.

It goes, as you can see, way beyond what most of us would term 'racist'.

Article 14 in their Regs:

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFile...CompDisCases/02/60/83/56/2608356_DOWNLOAD.pdf
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We know that mate, but it’s being reported in places and being used against us already as simply racist. We already wrongly had that tag from a lot of people, so the club should be doing all they can to get that tag dropped or at least the full explanation published. From the outside looking in it looks like we’ve been done for blatant racism.
 
Nikon said:
We don't, we've been done under "Racism and other discriminatory conduct - Any person under the scope of Article 3 who insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons on whatever grounds, including skin colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, gender or sexual orientation, incurs a suspension lasting at least ten matches or a specified period of time, or any other appropriate sanction. "

It's clear, the club have accepted it, the Manager has accepted it, it seems the huge majority of fans have accepted it, it's time to move on.
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As said mate we all know it’s for more than that, but we have already been reported as being sanctioned for racism with no further explanation. From the outside looking in it’s disgusting.
 
Lets be honest here if there was no bigotry FARE would cease to exist. Turkeys don´t vote for Christmas and these types will always find something to justify their existance.
 
songsofglory said:
We know that mate, but it’s being reported in places and being used against us already as simply racist. We already wrongly had that tag from a lot of people, so the club should be doing all they can to get that tag dropped or at least the full explanation published. From the outside looking in it looks like we’ve been done for blatant racism.
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To be fair, it took me two goes at reading our own statement to fully understand what they were trying to say and I then had to check the UEFA Regs. Our Clubs own statement could have done much, much more to clarify that point drawing the distinction between ‘racism’ and ‘discriminatory conduct’ in the charges laid against us.
 
Div1872 said:
This FARE mob need investigated and outed if we can prove their bias

It’s obvious they are targeting one team in Glasgow and it’s not the paedo harbourers so we should forensically go through their accounts, personnel, social media posts, LinkedIn profiles the lot

UEFA are corrupt as f.uck too and I would not be surprised if bags of cash are being handed over to push the agenda against us
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Agree that we should do this Div, as well as getting all evidence on scum games that they are ignoring.

BUT we must stop sectarian singing too, and now. In fact it may already be too late ? We may have a closure due from games after St Joes.
 
Partickger said:
I wasn’t at the St Joseph’s game as I was on holiday so maybe I’m being unfair. Was there a massive sectarian problem at that match? I don’t remember reading about it on here at the time but now everyone seems to be convinced that our own fans are evil personified.
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I was there and I don't recall any massive problem at all.
There was a good but non aggressive atmosphere and it seems to me that FARE were determined to get us this season. If that is the criteria for punishment then there is a multitude of clubs around Europe that criteria for punishment including one in particular club much nearer home! There is no doubt in my mind that we are being targeted and we as fans have to be cuter with the songbook but the term "sectarian" is a wide net and almost anything can be so described.

W.A.T.P.
 
mdingwall said:
Did someone screw grab it?
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"To be clear, we condemn sectarianism and there is no doubt the mindless behaviour of an element of our support has exposed the club to a very serious situation. The people who engage in this type of behaviour are damaging the club they claim to support.

<div data-xf-p="1"><span></span></div><div data-xf-p="1"><p>We are of the opinion that FARE has been influenced by people who make it their business to damage our club in any way they can</p></div>&lt;cite&gt;Rangers chief executive Martin Bain&lt;/cite&gt;
"It is abundantly clear from this decision that if there is any sectarian singing at future matches the suspended bans will take effect. Those fans who engage in such activity need to take that message on board."

When news broke of Uefa's intention to hear allegations of sectarian singing by the club's fans at the Europa League match against the Dutch side on 17 March, Bain said the club was "absolutely astounded" and that it planned to defend the club's position "very, very vigorously".

While acknowledging that sectarian singing is a problem among a section of its support, Bain had argued that the club had taken significant steps to wipe out such behaviour.

He also said Rangers were unhappy that a report from FARE (Football Against Racism in Europe) should result in them facing charges, while the Uefa match delegates gave favourable reports on its fans' behaviour in the games against PSV.

However, Piara Powar, executive director of the FARE network, earlier this month defended his organisation and denied there was any undue focus on Rangers.
 
WATP said:
Hence why we need to fund a investigation into FARE, their members and their observers!!
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That’s easily done. I’ve worked closely with people on here on another thread that would gladly do some digging. We have to stop playing into their hands though. Our club has been asking for it to stop for a long time now.

A post earlier touched me on another thread. A dad going to the game with his boy and now he can’t. That’s not right that a father and son can’t go due to others.
 
BlueNose94 said:
That’s easily done. I’ve worked closely with people on here on another thread that would gladly do some digging. We have to stop playing into their hands though. Our club has been asking for it to stop for a long time now.

A post earlier touched me on another thread. A dad going to the game with his boy and now he can’t. That’s not right that a father and son can’t go due to others.
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I agree wholeheartedly, these songs deemed offensive should not be sung!
 
Nikon said:
We don't, we've been done under "Racism and other discriminatory conduct - Any person under the scope of Article 3 who insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons on whatever grounds, including skin colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, gender or sexual orientation, incurs a suspension lasting at least ten matches or a specified period of time, or any other appropriate sanction. "

It's clear, the club have accepted it, the Manager has accepted it, it seems the huge majority of fans have accepted it, it's time to move on.
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This is laughably vague. Insults a person on whatever grounds - this encompasses the vast majority of people who have ever attended a football match. Also, "any other appropriate sanction" means they have carte blanche to make it up as they go along.
 
somervillain said:
This is laughably vague. Insults a person on whatever grounds - this encompasses the vast majority of people who have ever attended a football match. Also, "any other appropriate sanction" means they have carte blanche to make it up as they go along.
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Actually, it's not, it clearly states religion and whilst the sanctions mentioned in paragraph 1 could relate to a player or club official, the rest of the Article 14 sets out a clear path to European and financial oblivion for the club should the nut not be screwed;

"2 If one or more of a member association or club’s supporters engage in the behaviour described in paragraph 1, the member association or club responsible is punished with a minimum of a partial stadium closure.
3 The following disciplinary measures apply in the event of recidivism: a. a second offence is punished with one match played behind closed doors and a fine of € 50,000; b. any subsequent offence is punished with more than one match behind closed doors, a stadium closure, the forfeiting of a match, the deduction of points and/or disqualification from the competition.
4 If the circumstances of the case require it, the competent disciplinary body may impose additional disciplinary measures on the member association or club responsible, such as the playing of one or more matches behind closed doors, a stadium closure, the forfeiting of a match, the deduction of points and/or disqualification from the competition."
 
Anybody that thinks the bold Gerry never influenced the delegate no matter how subtle is delusional.

It would go something like this:

Pre match

Gerry "so we are looking for anything that discriminates against a group, like irish Nd 19th Century Terrorist?"

Billy boys sung
Gerry - "so mr delegate, I'm just learning but that song talks about murdering 19th Century Terrorists and is discriminatory to Catholics and irish, that something I would report? How would I do that best, emphasise the word 19th Century Terrorist?"

Super Rangers sung
Gerry "theres 19th Century Terrorist again, is that a separate charge or the 1?"

Post match

Gerry "thanks for the support"
 
People saying “this was always coming” and trying to imply that we really deserve it are on another planet. The tims sing anything they want, display anything they want and throw anything they want.

They are playing the system like a fiddle, we all know they are partial to it (ohhh)
 
Dorrans said:
Fare is run by an anti-Rangers bigot. Sadly they have UEFA's ear. I wish it were otherwise but we can do very little to change these facts. What we can do is stop singing songs that could see us out of European competition and suffering the financial and competitive repercussions that would follow.

Time to stop the songs and add-ons. Focus on our ongoing return to superiority and highlighting their decades long cover-up.
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People on here sadly think that if we stop singing a couple of songs they will go away . FARE and all their associated Rangers haters will move on to their next objective. This is a premeditated attack on our club to try and destabilise momentum at a crucial time orchestrated by certain individuals. Thinking otherwise is just nieve at best .
 
Coplandfrontier said:
People on here sadly think that if we stop singing a couple of songs they will go away . FARE and all their associated Rangers haters will move on to their next objective. This is a premeditated attack on our club to try and destabilise momentum at a crucial time orchestrated by certain individuals. Thinking otherwise is just nieve at best .
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Does it matter if it's 2 songs or 10 songs? Stop singing about stuff that has nothing to do with Rangers. Job done. They have nothing to target us with then. It might be unfair, it might be unjust, it might be a pain in the arse - but its the obvious and clear answer.
 
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No doubt this was charted out as one of the tactics during their wee trip to Austria and Switzerland. Sorting out their hymn sheet, so to speak.

Here's a point. Attack and watch the time and energy wasted in the ensuing chaos and aftermath. Something for our board and support to learn.
 
SGbanwa said:
After sleeping on this as was angry yesterday we just have to screw the nut.
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Agree, I was absolutely livid when I first heard about it & was pointing out the unfairness in it, of which there is plenty.

But we either stop this now or our club gets severely hampered. Severely.

Playing a match behind closed doors costs us 1m roughly. Continue it & their regulations allow being put out of the competition.

We might already have a further sanction as we speak.
 
This is nothing new.

Bain added in Thursday's response to Uefa's sanctions: "In terms of the Uefa case brought against us, we have had serious concerns about the integrity of the evidence compiled by the FARE organisation and that remains the case.

"We are also of the opinion that FARE has been influenced by people who make it their business to damage our club in any way they can.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13218273
 
What has changed since last season? 14 European ties, home and away. Same songbook and no issues (from memory). No issues from the other European ties this season. It's no coincidence O'Hagen was present at the St. Pat's tie. The dhark hand of the bheast is all over this.
 
47blue said:
What has changed since last season? 14 European ties, home and away. Same songbook and no issues (from memory). No issues from the other European ties this season. It's no coincidence O'Hagen was present at the St. Pat's tie. The dhark hand of the bheast is all over this.
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We got reported after every game last season, just this season Uefa decided enough is enough by the sounds of it.
 
Valley Bluenose said:
Does it matter if it's 2 songs or 10 songs? Stop singing about stuff that has nothing to do with Rangers. Job done. They have nothing to target us with then. It might be unfair, it might be unjust, it might be a pain in the arse - but its the obvious and clear answer.
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I agree but the point being made is they will still come after the club . Stop the singing and it will be something else they come after us . Your not going to have 50,000 angels at a football match .
 
GF1872 said:
You talking crap mate go and look at the citings, there’s a random weeks worth. Need to stop this conspiracy crap that it’s only us

02 January 2019 – Indian Kerala Premier League: Sports Academy Tirur v FC Thrissur
FC Thrissur player, Yemoah Santa Cruz, was subjected to racial slurs by Sports Academy Tirur players. Santa Cruz was repeatedly called ‘black’ in a derogatory manner. The Kerala Football Association was notified.
05 January 2019 – English Conference Premier League: Wrexham AFC v Dover Athletic FC
Dover Athletic players were racially abused by a group of Wrexham fans during and directly after the match. North Wales Police have launched an investigation.
06 January 2019 – English FA Women’s Super League: Sheffield United Women v Tottenham Hotspur Ladies F.C
The Tottenham Hotspur defender, Renee Hector, was subject to racist abuse from another Sheffield United player. Sheffield United launched an investigation.
08 January 2019 – English Premier League: Tottenham Hotspur FC v Chelsea FC
A Chelsea fan was arrested for using anti-Semitic language before the match. Two other fans were arrested for racially aggravated public order offences.
09 January 2019 – AS Roma supporters
To coincide with the anniversary of SS Lazio, AS Roma supporters distributed anti-Semitic flyers around Rome. The flyers read: ‘Lazio, Napoli and Israel, same colours, same flags. Shit!’. Italian police authorities have launched an investigation.
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That's fair enough but they've been at all 19 of our European home games. What other club is scrutinised as much as us?
 
He might well have been in training and supposedly not the one who reported the incident? Why did he pick that game? Do we genuinely believe he had no input? Does anyone seriously think he's not doing this training so like FARE can only attend Rangers games?
 
Coplandfrontier said:
They even had the audacity to have pro palestine before the game against the Israeli team and that was deemed ok ....... FARE are out to get our club only supporters need to wisen up .
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To me this very clearly falls into two issues, because you & many other bears do have a genuine issue here mate.

Firstly we need to take away their opportunities to harm our club by being able to fine us and or ultimately make us play behind closed doors or even ban us.

Secondly rather than bears coming on here & complaining, why don’t a group of us get active ? Go after the scum, go after FARE, go after O’Hagan, go after Call It Out ? Get into detail & get hard evidence to the papers & UEFA exactly what the reality is with these scumbags. Let us start fighting back & regaining our country because it’s totally lost as we speak.

Me & many other bears are working on another initiative to do with them covering up child abuse or I’d do this to be honest.

It’s time for bears to box, cleverly & aggressively. This is OUR CLUB.
 
Earl of Leven said:
He was. ID10 is correct.
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I think ID10 will be correct too.

FARE seemingly reported us all last season but now we are done.

So what do we do rather than just harming our own club & complaining about these haters ?

I’d deal with both. Stop what hurts our club & go aggressively after our haters by investigating & exposing their bias. And that should include watching scum games & highlighting what FARE & O’hagan and others are ignoring.

For a start it took 5 minutes to see that O’Hagan was at Hibs and was also Project Manager for 7 years at the company that built the scums stadium for McCann. You smell a rat right away. So what’s he saying on Twitter & on Facebook ?

Come on guys.
 
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