A Wee Bit of Info About Last Night's Pitch That Won't Suprise You

AlvinClarke72

New Member
One of my mates was working through at the game last night and said that the pitch was as dry as a stick.

He plays Junior and he said it was impossible to run at any pace with the ball, as it was sticking in the surface.

Suprise suprise, there were no sprinklers on the pitch either, before the game, or at half time.

Clearly trying to nullify our fast passing game.
Hi M Unionist, do you think that the teams would go for us buying them a grass pitch? We could take a small % of our Champions League money and donate it to them so that the T Macaroñi arena will finally be able to see a game of football.
 

MearnsUnionist

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Hi M Unionist, do you think that the teams would go for us buying them a grass pitch? We could take a small % of our Champions League money and donate it to them so that the T Macaroñi arena will finally be able to see a game of football.


I doubt it mate


The surface gives them an advantage over other teams and is probably going to get them into the top 6.
 

Blue Steel

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One of my mates was working through at the game last night and said that the pitch was as dry as a stick.

He plays Junior and he said it was impossible to run at any pace with the ball, as it was sticking in the surface.

Suprise suprise, there were no sprinklers on the pitch either, before the game, or at half time.

Clearly trying to nullify our fast passing game.
You can’t blame them for trying to even the playing field mate (pardon the pun ) . But between that , six yellows , two penalty’s ignored , and the mindset of our game in general , is why Thursday nights are my favourite night of the week .
 
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Beer Belly Loyal

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On GMT they mentioned Gerrard getting sent off, they also showed the Alfie booking and his winner, it is very rarely GMB mentions Scottish football.
Anyway I'm watching this and thinking the whole nation will be saying - "look at the state of that pitch, what a tin pot league that is".

That pitch shouldn't be allowed in top class professional football.
 

biodoc

Well-Known Member
Be interesting to see how many home team players have been injured on that pitch against how many players from visiting teams over a season.

careful now, remember Dunfermline came out with the stat that Balde had caused more long term injuries to players than their artificial pitch had.
 

LetsGo

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These stadiums have very little stands, I would love it if we water canon the pitch before the game, from outside!
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bud67

Member
Yep, that's exactly how it is.

It's not ideal though,!particularly from a player's safety point of view.

And its probably more dangerous to players than covid given that players are young elite athletes

Accordingly the football authorities should take much more interest in how plastic pitches are managed and presented for competitive football
 

Craigie

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One of my mates was working through at the game last night and said that the pitch was as dry as a stick.

He plays Junior and he said it was impossible to run at any pace with the ball, as it was sticking in the surface.

Suprise suprise, there were no sprinklers on the pitch either, before the game, or at half time.

Clearly trying to nullify our fast passing game.
It's the hosts prerogative. Kilmarnock don't water theirs either before we play.

It's no different to Hearts letting the grass grow before playing and beating Brenda's team.
 

BigN

Member
Old news but any team that doesn’t have a well maintained grass pitch should not be allowed to play in the top flight - until technology allows a surface that equates to real grass.
 

Godrup99

Well-Known Member
It's the hosts prerogative. Kilmarnock don't water theirs either before we play.

It's no different to Hearts letting the grass grow before playing and beating Brenda's team.
How is there no difference between a bone dry artificial surface and sub structure and grass that's been allowed to grow half an inch longer?
 

tangledupinblue

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We have been vocal on this subject for as long as I can remember and at least 5 years now. We have probably had more serious injuries than any other club to justify our case never mind the poor quality football for the paying customer.

No cùnt else seems that bothered and they probably love it when we suffer either poor results wise or more injuries.

Celtic have had NO competion during their tainted titles and have allowed this sham to curry favour with their allies during our punishments and downfall and let it slide as it has not compromised their corrupt stranglehold.

I guarantee that if next year's title race was close and they drop points at these joke pitches then there will be campaigns from them to get what THEY want. However in the meantime just let us remember the current tune they are playing..........



SPORT

20th February 2016

Football: Artificial pitches should be turfed out of top-level game, claims Rangers manager Mark Warburton

By Derek Miller


Football: Artificial pitches should be turfed out of top-level game, claims Rangers manager Mark Warburton


RANGERS manager Mark Warburton called for an end to artificial surfaces in top-level football in Scotland as he revealed Martyn Waghorn’s season could be over due to the knee injury he picked up at Kilmarnock’s Rugby Park.

The Ibrox striker went off after winning and converting a fourth-minute penalty in his side’s 2-1 William Hill Scottish Cup fifth-round replay victory on Tuesday.

Kilmarnock yesterday hit back at a Rangers statement which criticised their synthetic pitch, saying it was “ill-informed”. But Warburton stuck to his guns when he gave an update on Waghorn’s injury situation ahead of tomorrow’s league clash with Queen of the South at Palmerston Park, which also has a plastic surface.

“He is seeing a specialist today in London to get a more detailed report,” Warburton said. “There is no surgery required which is most pleasing. Hopefully he will be back for the end of the season, but there is a possibility he won’t, it depends how his recovery progresses.”

On the Kilmarnock pitch, Warburton added: “There is no doubt in our minds, from a coaching perspective and medical perspective, that his injury wouldn’t have been of this nature if it hadn’t been for the pitch.

“Martyn Waghorn left that pitch with lacerations and immediate bruising, there is no doubt about that. Had [the game] been on grass he wouldn’t have the same nature of injury he has now.

“That is just a simple fact that has been backed up by a medical team, a very proficient medical team, and by coaching staff who saw the initial impact of the injury.”

Asked if he did not want plastic pitches in Scottish football, Warburton replied: “Personally, not at the highest level, we need to be clear on that. We understand the financial climate, the need for revenue, we are not ignoring that.

“But at the highest level, to attract more investment, would it not be better to have a consistently high-quality level of grass pitch in the Premiership?”

Kilmarnock manager Lee Clark said no-one from Rangers’ management team mentioned the pitch to him. He said: “I had a good conversation with Markafter the game – we get on really well, we have come up against each other many times in the English Championship and have a good relationship, myself, him and Davie Weir – the pitch was never mentioned. The standard of it, the injury to Martyn Waghorn was never linked at all.”

Clark added: “We know we have the highest standard of synthetic surface required and we find injuries are picked up on grass pitches also. My boy is in the academy at Newcastle United, he trains on [artificial pitches] four times a week.

“If they were so bad, I don’t think they would have elite players from all over the world training on them.”

Asked if he would have expected Warburton to say something about the pitch if he was unhappy, Clark, who will be in the technical area for the first time today when Kilmarnock visit Dundee – after taking over earlier in the week, replied: “If he was unhappy, yes. I think it is a generalisation that has come from the football club.

“[The Rangers statement] certainly hasn’t come from any one individual, there are no specific quotes from anybody, certainly not from the football side of the club, the manager, assistant manager, doctor, physio. But the clubs will deal with that, they have a good relationship.”



SportFootball

Celtic's Ronny Deila rejects Rangers boss' plastic pitch claim

Ronny Deila has described opposition to artificial pitches as 'old fashioned' and revealed that he would be content to see one installed at Celtic Park.

By The Newsroom

Thursday, 25th February 2016, 12:00 am


Ronny Deila says he would be happy with a plastic pitch at Celtic Park.

The Norwegian also hit back at claims, made last week by Rangers manager Mark Warburton, that synthetic surfaces contribute to more serious injuries for players.

The issue has been a hot topic in Scottish football since details emerged of a PFA survey in which almost 75 per cent of players in the country expressed a preference for grass pitches.

There are now 11 grounds in the SPFL with artificial pitches, including both Rugby Park and New Douglas Park in the Premiership.
 

bluenose1977

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Turned to my auld da within a few minutes of ko and said theyve clearly not watered the pitch.

The worst case of how difficult those pitches are to read i noticed was a long ball dropping over Helander and he shielded opposition player and let it go knowing ball would/should easily bounce and carry out for GK, ball almost stopped all forward momentum as it hit turf and bounced straight up.

Those pitches are simply not fit for purpose at pro level.

And if they are allowed there should be strict rules (and sanctions) in place about watering of surface, with pitch inspections to make sure maintained properly before every ko.
 

RedWhiteBlue

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I wonder if the time that this will change will be when the Tims have to go to one of these places 3 times in a season where the title race is tight.

Imagine them going to Livingston on the last day, and for the 3rd time that season, and drawing 0-0 when they needed a win for the title? Then we might hear something about it.

As it stands, were are due to go away to Livingston again but the league is done so no big deal.

We actually have an OK record at Livingston with 3 wins a defeat and a draw.
Tims have 3 draws and a defeat so I am actually surprised they don't make more of it.
 

RedWhiteBlue

Well-Known Member
Its not nonsense.
Its a small team looking for every level bit they can get.
Should we have just stormed in last night and shouted " hey coont, get that pitch watered"?

I don't see "the opposition will be worried about getting injuries on our pitch" as just looking to get a bit of an edge. It's borderline cheating.

Sure, didn't Stokes have to terminate his contract with Livingston at the start of the season due to concerns about the pitch? Even their own potential signings are unwilling to take the risk.

They put it down to the player not being able to adapt but they more or less admit it's down to possible injury concerns when they state that it's about the players' body adapting.

"Of course, Anthony knew the surface we had in place but each player adapts to that differently and you can’t know how your body will feel adapting to it until you’ve been out there and played or trained on it frequently."

It is total nonsense.
 

Barcelona Bandit

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One of my mates was working through at the game last night and said that the pitch was as dry as a stick.

He plays Junior and he said it was impossible to run at any pace with the ball, as it was sticking in the surface.

Suprise suprise, there were no sprinklers on the pitch either, before the game, or at half time.

Clearly trying to nullify our fast passing game.
Pity the pyrotechnics never melted it, come on UNION BEARS get more practice in!
 

Prod Wallace

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Plenty have said it. Its a disgrace that our national game in the Premier league is subject to conditions like that. Teams choosing negativity over progressive football.

All these add up to a national team that a fluked qualification aside is dreadful with a woeful lack of depth in skill positions.

This is thr national game, where backwards attitudes and semi skilled players and administrators get to control how the game is played.

Its chimp tea party stuff.
 

Broxi12

Well-Known Member
Does UEFA/FIFA have a minimum standard that plastic pitches should adhere to?
If so, they can't
 

nasalsinatra

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Playing on plastic is like playing on a frozen pitch. Your muscles are constantly taut and running flat out is not possibl.
 

Luca Stroppi

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One of my mates was working through at the game last night and said that the pitch was as dry as a stick.

He plays Junior and he said it was impossible to run at any pace with the ball, as it was sticking in the surface.

Suprise suprise, there were no sprinklers on the pitch either, before the game, or at half time.

Clearly trying to nullify our fast passing game.
Rangers need to be at that forefront now and start agitating to get these artificial surfaces out of the top flight once and for all. It’s a an absolute joke that these pitches are allowed and it’s bullshit reasons we’ve been fed to justify having them. The game is played on grass full stop, if you haven’t got a grass pitch you are not a proper football club and should be playing in a lower league where it’s a bit more acceptable.
 

GreigC1911

Active Member
Can't say I'm surprised. I think when you go back and look at the injury too, it looks like he got his feet stuck in the pitch, that caused the stumble and the injury.

Quicker we ban these pitches the better
 
At the 94 World Cup, the organisers brought in tests to make sure the pitches all had a similar bounce to ensure a level playing field. Golf has the stimpmeter for greens to determine speed. If we have to be stuck with plastic pitches why can't we have a minimum speed test for all pitches grass or plastic?
 

Buffalo Soldier

New Member
Anyone who has played on these types of pitches will know they're pretty much solid underfoot. When it's as dry as it was last night, you're never going to get a free-flowing game.

Ridiculous to have these pitches at the top level of the game here
 

dekcuf

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If teams want to have the plastic pitches then there should be regulations in place to make sure they are as playable as possible,obviously more dangerous than not watering a normal pitch.

That being said I do find myself defending Hamiltons more, mainly due to Brian Rice being a fair manager and the poster academical on here. No factual reason, just they both seem decent chaps.
 

CajunBear

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It's the hosts prerogative. Kilmarnock don't water theirs either before we play.

It's no different to Hearts letting the grass grow before playing and beating Brenda's team.

There is no danger of a player blowing up their knees because the grass went an extra week without cutting. The plastic parks are bad enough without deliberately making the surface worse. Look at how Jamie Murphys career has gone since that day at Killie.
 
I drove by Livingston on the M8 an hour or so before kick off and there was a bit of drizzle. My thought at the time was it would help the pitch and suit us better. Clearly had little impact watching the game.
 

Paisleyprod

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Safety of players from both clubs is paramount but also sky pay good money and livvy risk safety and quality of game by not watering their awful surface.

Shameful
 

nybear

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One of my mates was working through at the game last night and said that the pitch was as dry as a stick.

He plays Junior and he said it was impossible to run at any pace with the ball, as it was sticking in the surface.

Suprise suprise, there were no sprinklers on the pitch either, before the game, or at half time.

Clearly trying to nullify our fast passing game.
maybe thats why their game plan was keeper hoof ball into our box and we take it back to their defense they put it out and all get back to defend then repeat for ninety minutes with nothing being played by them between both boxes.
 

Desert Loyal

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It's telling that the Livi players seem reluctant to run flat out on. Rugby Park is the same.
I don't know what the difference is between those 2 and Hamilton's pitch, but at least with Accies the games are played at a higher pace.

I do both of those will be in the championship next season!!
 
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