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It was a tank of petrol was it not ?worse shop lifter
It was a tank of petrol was it not ?worse shop lifter
He never saw off David Harvey who was a top class goalkeeper for Leeds he retired before Rough got the shout ! We had tried a succession of dummy’s such as Kennedy Blyth and Stewart before settling on Rough he wasn’t the best to be honest but he wasn’t the worstHe saw off David Harvey, Bobby Clark, Stewart Kennedy, Jim Blyth, David Stewart, George Wood and Jim Stewart in the mid to late seventies, was still number one ahead of a young Leighton in 1982 and was still number 2 to Leighton in 1986 (famously replacing Leighton when he lost a contact lens the night Stein died in Wales in 85 and played at Wembley against England in 1986.
I thought he was useless against Peru and Iran in 1978 and I was only 5 years old.
I know he's hated on here but Leighton was a significant upgrade.
David Harvey???He wasn't great.... but what Scottish goalie was in those day.
He never saw off David Harvey who was a top class goalkeeper for Leeds he retired before Rough got the shout ! We had tried a succession of dummy’s such as Kennedy Blyth and Stewart before settling on Rough he wasn’t the best to be honest but he wasn’t the worst
It was a tank of petrol was it not ?
He wasn’t a bad goalie.
First two repliesHopeless.
Thought it was just me.Have we to rearrange those words into a coherent sentence?
See he had 16 caps and a decent record... 8 wn 4 dr 4 dfts.David Harvey???
When I watch old tournament footage he stands stock still as shots fly in.
Yet he was around for ages, and had 53 caps. So older bears, was he more than tubby and hopeless?
Played for Michael Jackson FC so....
See he had 16 caps and a decent record... 8 wn 4 dr 4 dfts.
Gives Jim Leighton a run for the looks right enough.
The Gas Meter had his moments of folly as well but was a better Goalkeeper than the failed thief. Although McCloy was not a regular international he did play at a very high level through his Vast European experience and regular silverware, something that was alien to Rough.Never saw him play live, but I've seen the howlers and the Toshack save.
I know Derek Johnstone and Derek Parlane both thought Peter McCloy was a far better keeper than Rough.
The Gas Meter had his moments of folly as well but was a better Goalkeeper than the failed thief. Although McCloy was not a regular international he did play at a very high level through his Vast European experience and regular silverware, something that was alien to Rough.
Rough was always doing it when he was at HibsDon't think Agathe was involved!!
Parlane was a speaker at our supporters club dinner last May and he said McCloy had some blinding games against the mentally challengeds, particularly the 73 SC Final.
Was also outstanding in Munich in the 72 semi final too, he said.
DJ spoke at a Lodge dinner I was at and he said the Gas Meter was the best keeper in Scotland when he played.
i was present alongside 3,000 other bears in the rheinstadion in dusseldorf in 1979,to myself that was big peter"s finest hour and a half,was outstanding that night,even though he played a good part of the game with one eye closed overParlane was a speaker at our supporters club dinner last May and he said McCloy had some blinding games against the mentally challengeds, particularly the 73 SC Final.
Was also outstanding in Munich in the 72 semi final too, he said.
DJ spoke at a Lodge dinner I was at and he said the Gas Meter was the best keeper in Scotland when he played.
McCloy is so unfairly remembered, his mistakes were quite rare but he unfortunately made some real horror ones.
I still think the Stewart Kennedy pre Wembley 1975 was better though.
Well you're certainly far more qualified than me to make that judgement mate.
Kennedy after 1975 was a great keeperMcCloy is so unfairly remembered, his mistakes were quite rare but he unfortunately made some real horror ones.
I still think the Stewart Kennedy pre Wembley 1975 was better though.
i was present alongside 3,000 other bears in the rheinstadion in dusseldorf in 1979,to myself that was big peter"s finest hour and a half,was outstanding that night,even though he played a good part of the game with one eye closed over
Fkn useless part time player for partick in 70s fkn joke of a goalieWhen I watch old tournament footage he stands stock still as shots fly in.
Yet he was around for ages, and had 53 caps. So older bears, was he more than tubby and hopeless?
Played for Michael Jackson FC so....
When I watch old tournament footage he stands stock still as shots fly in.
Yet he was around for ages, and had 53 caps. So older bears, was he more than tubby and hopeless?
Played for Michael Jackson FC so....
McCloy is so unfairly remembered, his mistakes were quite rare but he unfortunately made some real horror ones.
I still think the Stewart Kennedy pre Wembley 1975 was better though.
Good post and some interesting and pertinent observations about how the game has changed over the years. That’s one of the reasons I don’t get involved in the greatest players type threads. You can’t start to compare Pele to Messi for example when one of them played most of his games in an era where brutality was a big part of the game versus one who will get a foul if he’s blown on from a close distance. Never mind the technology improvements in equipment.Rough at the time was the best of a mediocre selection Scotland had for most of his career, but I think you have to judge goalkeepers against others of their era.
The difference between Rough's generation and the keepers immediately after him is huge as specialised training really took hold. Only the very best like Shilton survived that evolution with their reputation intact.
I don't think any position in sport has changed as much in the past 30 years. Goalkeepers have grown about 4" on average but have gotten more nimble and their reflexes are off the scale compared to when I started watching the game. And that's before the impact of the pass back rule forced them to become footballers. Plus referees have decided that any contact on these giant prima donnas nowadays is a foul whereas 70s keepers still needed eyes in the back of their heads for some of the challenges that were allowed.
You forgot to mention that goalkeepers at that time were generally developed from being the fat kid who was unfit & shite outfield and could only get a game in goals.Rough at the time was the best of a mediocre selection Scotland had for most of his career, but I think you have to judge goalkeepers against others of their era.
The difference between Rough's generation and the keepers immediately after him is huge as specialised training really took hold. Only the very best like Shilton survived that evolution with their reputation intact.
I don't think any position in sport has changed as much in the past 30 years. Goalkeepers have grown about 4" on average but have gotten more nimble and their reflexes are off the scale compared to when I started watching the game. And that's before the impact of the pass back rule forced them to become footballers. Plus referees have decided that any contact on these giant prima donnas nowadays is a foul whereas 70s keepers still needed eyes in the back of their heads for some of the challenges that were allowed.
Good post and some interesting and pertinent observations about how the game has changed over the years. That’s one of the reasons I don’t get involved in the greatest players type threads. You can’t start to compare Pele to Messi for example when one of them played most of his games in an era where brutality was a big part of the game versus one who will get a foul if he’s blown on from a close distance. Never mind the technology improvements in equipment.
Dave Grohl from the foo fightersSee he had 16 caps and a decent record... 8 wn 4 dr 4 dfts.
Gives Jim Leighton a run for the looks right enough.
Jim Stewart went to W Germany as 3rd choice keeper in 74 whilst at Killie. He played for Scotland at my very first football match, 1978 v Norway. A 3-2 victory and Stein's first game in charge. Stewart was at Middlesborough and was part of a team that consisted solely of english based players.
He never played for Scotland again. I thought he was brilliant when he signed for us, particularly in the 81 SC Final, the first game, when Redford missed a penalty.
I was about 8 though, so I'm not sure my views are that credible.