Alfredo maybe saying he’s staying?

DEH_Oslo said:
The current market did the "magic" on the Hagi fee, not Wilson. Morelos will never move for £20m+ in todays marked imo, he needs to be much more consistent and deliver in matches against them. 9 matches, 0 goals, 0 assists, those numbers tells a story about a player not to be trusted in high pressure games and scouts notice stuff like this.
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I think scouts will notice his goals in Europe than against the tims.
 
Necro said:
I won't post a link because it's Timmy porn but if you search for a compilation of his chances against Celtic it is really obvious that they're in his head big time.

Zero faith that he'll ever score against them
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I agree it’s psychological but I get the feeling when the first goes in the floodgates will open. He‘s also the type of guy who might think it’s not a challenge he should walk away from.
 
chilebear said:
I think scouts will notice his goals in Europe than against the tims.
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This is it. Even half our fans are more obsessed with his goals or lack of against them. Take it Jamie Ness would command a higher fee as he scored against them fs? Not the fact he broke euro records n that doesn't count cause he never scored aaginst a bunch of poisonous tramps.
 
chilebear said:
You’re right in what it says, I’ve just read on a CNN Spanish report that Colombia closed its borders with Venezuela on 14 th March.
Panama and Miami are popular routes when traveling in this region as well
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There are still flights, albeit highly limited. My mother-in-law just returned to Argentina - the embassy arranging for a flight from Miami.

If need be, I'm sure Alfie will be able to fly.
 
BrooklynBlue said:
There are still flights, albeit highly limited. My mother-in-law just returned to Argentina - the embassy arranging for a flight from Miami.

If need be, I'm sure Alfie will be able to fly.
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Id be very surprised If he doesnt make it. Hopefully SG will understand If hes late though.
 
Daleboy91Watp said:
This is it. Even half our fans are more obsessed with his goals or lack of against them. Take it Jamie Ness would command a higher fee as he scored against them fs? Not the fact he broke euro records n that doesn't count cause he never scored aaginst a bunch of poisonous tramps.
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It's not a matter of "he doesn't score against Celtic so he's shit" nobody thinks that.

It's more that our main striker cannot be trusted to do what he's on the pitch in high pressure situations, he doesn't posses much composure at all
 
Why is the one player who more or less carried us and kept us respectable at times always the one who’s accused of blowing it for us? Are the other 10 regulars not just as guilty for seemingly being unable to get points when Morelos wasn’t on hand to dig us out? That’s not to say he hasn’t let us down again by the way, because he absolutely did with that whole Tynecastle fiasco. But it’s a strange thing, I mean everyone agrees the only redeeming part of the season was the European run yet some want to lambast the player who is the single biggest reason for us getting out of that group and having that run.

And you just know once he is eventually sold some of the folks desperate for him to punted will end up wishing we had a striker of similar quality but won’t want to say it publicly for fear of looking daft. I mean a couple of his detractors were telling us Lafferty had ‘grown up’ and would come here to outscore Morelos ffs, so he’s clearly never going to endear himself to one or two.

Anyway, if the pandemic hadn’t happened, I’d have been happy to sell him for the right money (the media obsession with him will never go away and he’ll always be a target for officials) providing we had a solid replacement lined up, but with the way the current crisis will likely affect valuations and the player’s severe loss of form after new year, it’s maybe not a bad idea to try and wait another year.
 
Laudrup11Cooper said:
So we get to see him self implode for a 3rd season in a row?
No thanks.Although in this ‘time’…it may not be easy moving him on.
It’s better for both parties he leaves.
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Don't agree, we will lose a substantial amount over what we would get in a normal market.
Even with his red cards etc he done enough himself to win us the title, the rest of the team didn't pick up their end of it IMO
 
Necro said:
It's not a matter of "he doesn't score against Celtic so he's shit" nobody thinks that.

It's more that our main striker cannot be trusted to do what he's on the pitch in high pressure situations, he doesn't posses much composure at all
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You make it sound like he’s Filip Sebo whenever there’s a chance in a big game. That’s only true for one team, he’s shown plenty of composure against every other side he’s faced. There’s clearly a confidence issue with OF games but then it doesn’t mean he can’t overcome it, and it’s down to our coaches to help him through that as well.
 
I am in two minds. Undoubtedly he is fantastic when he is on it but I just don’t know if he is a liability we don’t need. I know he gets singled out by referees but there is a constant worry that he is one flashpoint away from missing important games
 
Danger Zone said:
You make it sound like he’s Filip Sebo whenever there’s a chance in a big game. That’s only true for one team, he’s shown plenty of composure against every other side he’s faced. There’s clearly a confidence issue with OF games but then it doesn’t mean he can’t overcome it, and it’s down to our coaches to help him through that as well.
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I mean there's the Celtic issue and then there's the issue that he tends to shoot straight at the keeper in 1v1's

He isn't usually a composed finisher, I don't think that's unfair to say anyway
 
If he is staying he needs to screw the nut. We would be better off using money from his sale on a couple of more reliable if less exciting strikers.
 
JW1988 said:
Don't agree, we will lose a substantial amount over what we would get in a normal market.
Even with his red cards etc he done enough himself to win us the title, the rest of the team didn't pick up their end of it IMO
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Respect your opinion completely.
Selling him now in this ‘time’…unfortunately can’t be helped.

He for the second season in a row put the tools away, and when you a have your team built around one player, this unpredictable, then you are playing with fire!

There is not a referee, media idiot etc…that will give the benefit of the doubt with anything.Him or us.

If he seriously was that good, and not damaged goods... then why hasn’t there been major significant offers come in for him already?

There may be yet.It’s still early.
T.b.c.
 
Danger Zone said:
You make it sound like he’s Filip Sebo whenever there’s a chance in a big game. That’s only true for one team, he’s shown plenty of composure against every other side he’s faced. There’s clearly a confidence issue with OF games but then it doesn’t mean he can’t overcome it, and it’s down to our coaches to help him through that as well.
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Ill take Alfie not scoring against covid 11 and stil win tne league. Do that and nobody will speak about not scoring against the asterix 11.
 
Laudrup11Cooper said:
Respect your opinion completely.
Selling him now in this ‘time’…unfortunately can’t be helped.

He for the second season in a row put the tools away, and when you a have your team built around one player, this unpredictable, then you are playing with fire!

There is not a referee, media idiot etc…that will give the benefit of the doubt with anything.Him or us.

If he seriously was that good, and not damaged goods... then why hasn’t there been major significant offers come in for him already?

There may be yet.It’s still early.
T.b.c.
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I agree with where your coming from but again don’t think it’s fair to pin it all on him.
For instance when he does get a red etc Gerrard should have a plan B, he doesn’t.
the rest of the team should pick up the slack, they don’t.
What Alfredo done in 4 months last season would have been enough to play a pivotal part in us winning the league however he let us down, but his team mates didn’t carry their own weight. We can’t win a league title if only one player can win us games. That’s something Gerrard and the players need to own up to and rectify
 
The he took from the press and unwashed at the turn of the year was absolutely criminal. Private eyes, trying to steal his car, negative stories in the press every day... All orchestrated to kill his form and get him to leave. No wonder his form dipped, and I don't think he will ever get a fair crack of the whip here.
 
Sorry I want him sold now.

3 seasons he scores goals up until Xmas and then falls apart with his discipline, fitness and form, never mind never scoring against the scum.
We need a striker that keeps his form for the whole season.
Infact we need 2 goal scorers not just 1 to replace Morelos.
 
Danger Zone said:
You make it sound like he’s Filip Sebo whenever there’s a chance in a big game. That’s only true for one team, he’s shown plenty of composure against every other side he’s faced. There’s clearly a confidence issue with OF games but then it doesn’t mean he can’t overcome it, and it’s down to our coaches to help him through that as well.
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If we are going to be honest it was mainly him who kept us in that title challenge up until Christmas. His goals drying up and our downturn of form isn't just coincidence proves to me he is the one that carries us at points. I'd be happy to bet a ball on the fact if it wasn't Scotland he's Playing in he doesn't have the "temperament"
 
Necro said:
I mean there's the Celtic issue and then there's the issue that he tends to shoot straight at the keeper in 1v1's

He isn't usually a composed finisher, I don't think that's unfair to say anyway
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I think it’s bollocks and not the first, second or even third time you’ve left me mystified with your interpretation of our team or events! 30 odd goals by new year, 14 in the Europa league where chances aren’t exactly coming in abundance.
 
chilebear said:
Ill take Alfie not scoring against covid 11 and stil win tne league. Do that and nobody will speak about not scoring against the asterix 11.
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Me too of course. That being said he clearly does have some sort of block and gets in his own head when he has an opportunity against them and he needs to get over it.

I don’t think sole focus being put on the possibility of him scoring helps much either mind.
 
Daleboy91Watp said:
If we are going to be honest it was mainly him who kept us in that title challenge up until Christmas. His goals drying up and our downturn of form isn't just coincidence proves to me he is the one that carries us at points. I'd be happy to bet a ball on the fact if it wasn't Scotland he's Playing in he doesn't have the "temperament"
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I agree mate. It’s not a coincidence that we seem to nose dive when he hits a baron patch is it? He turned an awful lot of games for us, and evidently the rest of the squad don’t have it in them to compensate for his poor form.

That’s the primary difference between our team and theirs, most of the time they have goals coming from everywhere, most of the time, we don’t. That and the fact they seem to be able hold their nerve against the other 10 sides in the league.
 
Danger Zone said:
Me too of course. That being said he clearly does have some sort of block and gets in his own head when he has an opportunity against them and he needs to get over it.

I don’t think sole focus being put on the possibility of him scoring helps much either mind.
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If the rest of the team would help more in creating chances and finishing them it would have helped him more. With everything targeted through him if he struggled we wouldnt score unless someone let fly from distance (rare for us).
Three season his form has collapsed after Xmas, we can’t afford this to happen again.
 
Danger Zone said:
I think it’s bollocks and not the first, second or even third time you’ve left me mystified with your interpretation of our team or events! 30 odd goals by new year, 14 in the Europa league where chances aren’t exactly coming in abundance.
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He got 5 in the group stages, 1 against Legia and the rest against SPFL standard or lower opposition.

Group stage record is impressive but let's not pretend that his overall record hasn't been padded.

Ok, you think it's bollocks. I see a significant drop in league goals, league cup goals that mean absolutely nothing because he single handedly cost us the final and no scottish cup goals because he couldn't be arsed turning up for the game.
 
If he stays then we need to bring in a better striker than him and push him all the way. Another season being reliant on his goals, form, temperament will see this transfer window being a missed opportunity. Get another striker to put him in the shade and see how he reacts. Rangers managers should always be striving for better.
 
Para Handy said:
If he stays then we need to bring in a better striker than him and push him all the way. Another season being reliant on his goals, form, temperament will see this transfer window being a missed opportunity. Get another striker to put him in the shade and see how he reacts. Rangers managers should always be striving for better.
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It's the rest of the team that need to come out the shade.
 
Necro said:
He got 5 in the group stages, 1 against Legia and the rest against SPFL standard or lower opposition.

Group stage record is impressive but let's not pretend that his overall record hasn't been padded.

Ok, you think it's bollocks. I see a significant drop in league goals, league cup goals that mean absolutely nothing because he single handedly cost us the final and no scottish cup goals because he couldn't be arsed turning up for the game.
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You should write for the Daily Record mate, you’re equally as adept at downplaying his abilities as their writers. Only the 5 in the group stage then? Yeah that’s quite poor against dross like Porto, Feyenoord and Young Boys; really I’d be expecting double that.

We made a mistake not playing him against Hearts, it was a case of cutting our nose off to spite our face, fine him and grill him behind closed doors, that certainly beats sending out a hapless Greg Stewart to keep our last faint hopes of silverware alive. Single handedly cost us the cup final? Well if that’s your take then I think we’ll stop there pal. But yes, bollocks is the best description of your interpretation.
 
Para Handy said:
Plenty aren’t good enough to come out of the shade and need axed. Morelos needs the competition to get to the next level at Rangers.
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Have you not heard the gospel according to FF’s very own Pep? The teams built around Morelos, the rest of them are exempt, they don’t need to worry about stepping up.
 
If Morelos stays - fantastic!

If he leaves, so be it. He’s not irreplaceable.

All depends on the transfer fee and amount for reinvestment in the squad.
 
Danger Zone said:
You should write for the Daily Record mate, you’re equally as adept at downplaying his abilities as their writers are. Only the 5 in the group stage then? Yeah that’s quite poor against dross like Porto, Feyenoord and Young Boys; really I’d be expecting double that.

We made a mistake not playing him against Hearts, it was a case of cutting our nose off to spite our face, fine him and grill him behind closed doors, that certainly beats sending out a hapless Greg Stewart to keep our last faint hopes of silverware alive. Single handedly cost us the cup final? Well if that’s your take then I think we’ll stop there pal. But yes, bollocks is the best description of your interpretation.
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I said it was an impressive return, it was impressive. You're just pretending that goals against the likes of St Josephs mean something.

He single handedly cost us the cup final because he missed 6 sitters, a penalty and 2 other very good chances. He actually apologised for his performance so he clearly agrees with me.

The management and squad were furious at Morelos, playing him against Hearts would have been a ridiculous decision when you consider how many times Gerrard has put his neck on the line for him only for Morelos to throw it back in his face.

Morelos is a very good yet flawed player, you just don't want to see the flaws for whatever reason.
 
Necro said:
I said it was an impressive return, it was impressive. You're just pretending that goals against the likes of St Josephs mean something.

He single handedly cost us the cup final because he missed 6 sitters a penalty and 2 other very good chances.

The management and squad were furious at Morelos, playing him against Hearts would have been a ridiculous decision when you consider how many times Gerrard has put his neck on the line for him only for Morelos to throw it back in his face.

Morelos is a very good yet flawed player, you just don't want to see the flaws for whatever reason.
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Fair point if his only goals were against St Josephs. Cherry picking to suit, like a Daily Rebel writer or your average mentally challenged. They’re also the only two who’d pin that final loss entirely on him without even so much as a mention of the nick of the goal they were awarded, with three players in an offside position. Or the rest of the team for actually getting worse once we had a man advantage, or the gaffer for throwing in Brandon Barker and Defoe (one who never plays well with Morelos and who seems to hamper his game more than anything, and one who barely resembles a professional footballer at the best of times).

Yeah he was a big part of the reason we lost, albeit your definition of ‘sitter’ seems to be any chance for a shot from inside the box, again like most mentally challengeds who remark on our player. As for Hearts, he absolutely let every down, we went out of the Scottish Cup to the worst side in the league, was it worth it? Again, he let the team, the manager and the fans down, he has a big mental block about OF games, things I’ve repeated time and again, I don’t see that as ignoring his flaws, it’s a witch hunt from you than anything, with your perverse determination to attribute our failings directly to him.
 
Danger Zone said:
Me too of course. That being said he clearly does have some sort of block and gets in his own head when he has an opportunity against them and he needs to get over it.

I don’t think sole focus being put on the possibility of him scoring helps much either mind.
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Its the timmy propoganda that qas set, and even our fans have swalled it,
 
TPP said:
He is the best striker I’ve seen at the club consistently since hateley. Replacing him will be really hard, look at the utter utter shite we’ve had over the years.
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His goals dry up every season after the winter break he needs to be consistent for a whole season.
 
If im being honest i think he should move on for his career and to help the club fund 2 or 3 quality players.

Plus the refs will be back on him and sending him off, he is no use to us sitting in the stand.
 
Danger Zone said:
Fair point if his only goals were against St Josephs. Cherry picking to suit, like a Daily Rebel writer or your average mentally challenged. They’re also the only two who’d pin that final loss entirely on him without even so much as a mention of the nick of the goal they were awarded, with three players in an offside position. Or the rest of the team for actually getting worse once we had a man advantage, or the gaffer for throwing in Brandon Barker and Defoe (one who never plays well with Morelos and who seems to hamper his game more than anything, and one who barely resembles a professional footballer at the best of times).

Yeah he was a big part of the reason we lost, albeit your definition of ‘sitter’ seems to be any chance for a shot from inside the box, again like most mentally challengeds who remark on our player. As for Hearts, he absolutely let every down, we went out of the Scottish Cup to the worst side in the league, was it worth it? Again, he let the team, the manager and the fans down, he has a big mental block about OF games, things I’ve repeated time and again, I don’t see that as ignoring his flaws, it’s a witch hunt from you than anything, with your perverse determination to attribute our failings directly to him.
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That's because he is ultimately responsible for a lot of our failings, the team is built around him. When everything is going well for him individually, that's fine but when it's not, he's either getting sent off needlessly and missing games through suspension, missing chances in important games and more recently, doesn't even turn up on time for games.

It's not a witch hunt, I just remember having reliable strikers and would ideally like to return to those days.

Regarding the league cup, if Morelos was composed in his finishing we win the game 3 or 4-1. That's undeniable.

I'm quite simply sick of defending him only for him to make us look stupid weeks later, it's happened one too many times now and it's best for all involved that he leaves
 
Necro said:
That's because he is ultimately responsible for a lot of our failings, the team is built around him. When everything is going well for him individually, that's fine but when it's not, he's either getting sent off needlessly and missing games through suspension, missing chances in important games and more recently, doesn't even turn up on time for games.

It's not a witch hunt, I just remember having reliable strikers and would ideally like to return to those days.

Regarding the league cup, if Morelos was composed in his finishing we win the game 3 or 4-1. That's undeniable.

I'm quite simply sick of defending him only for him to make us look stupid weeks later, it's happened one too many times now and it's best for all involved that he leaves
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Some of that is understandable. But you’re still being economical with the truth and seem to be absolutely ignoring the fact that the rest of the team seem incapable of standing on their own two feet at times.

“The teams built around him”, is this really the new go to phrase for excusing the rest of them? And yeah I said he obviously has a block about OF games, doesn’t change the fact it’s pathetic to lay that loss on him when none of the rest of them stepped up and the deciding goal was a farce - surely you can see why some might view that as a witch hunt, that’s generally what happens, you ignore all the responsible parties to go after one.

By the way, if he’s not suspended, there’s every chance he picks a bad injury at some point in the season, then when it goes tits up who are you going to blame?
 
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