Nice one. Night-time reading and all that!
@mdingwall can you retrieve my post from the thread you chopped please mate. It was the first reply after the appendices.
No.
Esp as there was no post of yours in the duplicate thread I chopped.
There is a post of yours as post 10 in this thread.
Wow. There's surely no way out for these snakes now.
- From the legal advice, force majeure would likely apply to any commercial contracts, however the potential liability was not disclosed
Now what would make you think that?The last bit of the conversation by ED. “I imagine Neil has spoken to Peter after 5.00, “ I am assuming Peter is Mr Liewell.
Just a rough guess pal, you feeling any better.Now what would make you think that?
Yes mate.Just a rough guess pal, you feeling any better.
And the spfl will counter that as the vote did not end either the top flight or the Scottish cup, it would not be at risk of creating any potential liability. There would be a potential liability if the top division was ended prior to the 45th day of suspension but that wasn't part of the spfl proposal. They'll further argue that discussion of any liability for TV payments would be discussed prior to a vote to end the top flight season, at which point the force majeure or frustration/unjust enrichment advice would suggest that the league wouldn't incur any liability.
There is a clear issue with payments for next season. Corona can't affect that contract as it hasn't yet started. The spfl may well receive far less money next season if football can't resume for a full season or if TV doesn't agree with reconstruction of the league's.
It isn't a strong part of the case. There are far stronger arguments and far better evidence elsewhere.
is this not to the board of SPFL i.e. robertson and others. what Rangers claim is that the other 42 clubs weren't made aware of this?The liability is disclosed. £10m of rights not received is in Appendix 1 page 14 of 24 second paragraph.
This is simply not true. The SPFL’s own QC says they may have a defence under contract law with the Sky contract but the concept in Scots Law of unjust enrichment means that they will have to make refundsOn the issue of the potential £10mil repayment of TV rights. Even our legal advice suggests that the spfl would likely have a robust defence and would not have to repay money. The vote occurred prior to the 45 day point where either force majeure or frustration would apply but there was no rprospect of football returning by the 45 day trigger. Also worth noting that the 2 competitions attracting coverage from subscription TV - the premier league and the Scottish cup - are still technically suspended rather than ended.
I'd have rather we concentrated on the operation of the vote, the conduct of spfl board members and the Uefa letter as I believe that they are stronger basis for the removal of Doncaster. The TV money issue doesn't diminish our complaint against the spfl board but our own legal advice certainly doesn't strengthen it.
i don’t know how you can read page 10 of 24 and conclude they wouldn’t incur any liability.And the spfl will counter that as the vote did not end either the top flight or the Scottish cup, it would not be at risk of creating any potential liability. There would be a potential liability if the top division was ended prior to the 45th day of suspension but that wasn't part of the spfl proposal. They'll further argue that discussion of any liability for TV payments would be discussed prior to a vote to end the top flight season, at which point the force majeure or frustration/unjust enrichment advice would suggest that the league wouldn't incur any liability.
There is a clear issue with payments for next season. Corona can't affect that contract as it hasn't yet started. The spfl may well receive far less money next season if football can't resume for a full season or if TV doesn't agree with reconstruction of the league's.
It isn't a strong part of the case. There are far stronger arguments and far better evidence elsewhere.
Exactly correct. The post I was replying to suggested it wasn’t quantified in the report to the board.is this not to the board of SPFL i.e. robertson and others. what Rangers claim is that the other 42 clubs weren't made aware of this?
When it was put to him that this was seen as a Rangers Celtc thing, Robertson should have replied by asking why should that be the case, because that would be like suggesting that the SPFL in their disputed actions were somehow acting on behalf of Celtc, which Robertson could then have added, would surely be a ridiculous suggestion.Wow the devil is in the detail - thanks for posting these.
It’s not now about being on Rangers or Celtics side - it’s about doing the right thing ethically to support good corporate governance.
Any club, media outlet or anyone else connected with Scottish Football that don’t see that should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.
Proud that Rangers have stood up to them.
This is simply not true. The SPFL’s own QC says they may have a defence under contract law with the Sky contract but the concept in Scots Law of unjust enrichment means that they will have to make refunds
i don’t know how you can read page 10 of 24 and conclude they wouldn’t incur any liability.
The QC opinion clearly states he can’t rule out refunds under unjust enrichment.
The main issue for me is they ruled out null and void on the basis of risk of significant liabilities but their own resolution carries the same risks.
The 45 day rule you mention relates to Force Majeure and ruling out a claim for damages under breach of contract. It doesn’t rule out claims for refunds.
Hats off to the SPFL, Michael Stewart, Spends for being able to read the dossier and appendices with a matter of minutes and dismissing it out of hand
Wow the devil is in the detail - thanks for posting these.
It’s not now about being on Rangers or Celtics side - it’s about doing the right thing ethically to support good corporate governance.
Any club, media outlet or anyone else connected with Scottish Football that don’t see that should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.
Proud that Rangers have stood up to them.
Agreed that “one club” won’t vote for it as they have no morals.One club will not see this "as doing the right thing"! Looking in a mirror and seeing their own reflection will not bother them one iota as they live by moral standards that the vast majority of the population would not lower themselves to! Maybe I 'm tired, thick or both, but what has Mulreaney got to do with the SPFL? I thought he was SFA! also looks like the real stuff is in the appendices not to be learned by a quick glance at the main body of the account.
Thanks for the break down on that mateIncredibly professional in its production. My bedtime reading.
The section on voiding the season and the risks that will cause a problem with uefa qualification next season and sponsorship contra charges. This highlights the deficiencies that Rangers referred to in the main report - why did they not point out the £10m risk of ending the season early? We know why. It would mean that many clubs would not be willing to take that risk and end the season early - effectively tipping the balance resulting in rejection of the resolution.
Re the supplication letter to uefa (, which Rangers have shown was autonomously sent by the SFA Vice Chairman) who:
A) cosigned that letter with the spfl and B) threatened 2 Championship Clubs that they could potentially lose prize money if they voted against the resolution.
This should ensure that mullraney gets nowhere near the CEO post of the SFA - he's next in-line and he's nothing but a gangster that refers to Rangers supporters as h+ns.
He must be blocked from ever serving on the board again. I hope he is the next target in our cleansing of Scottish football.
He should be sacked from the sfa now to remove the stench of corruption.
Appendix 5 shows just how disingenuous and obtuse McKenzie was being. Absolutely farcical that anyone reasonable, with no vested interest, could think that is reasonable corporate governance.Absolute dynamite.
Appendix 5 showing McKenzies total dismissal of the Rangers loan resolution would get any employee/adviser in the land sacked immediately.
I'd be surprised at any club not wanting these individuals gone.