Archie Stevens

Good luck Archie

You’ve just joined the most successful club in the world

I hope you develop into a brilliant player for the Rangers
 
Some amount of promising acquisitions at youth level this summer. Hopefully a few can make it through.

According to a non rabid Celtic supporting guy I know who is involved in coaching, and regularly watches our youth teams, our youth set up is second to none in Scotland, and is on a par with most of the top English teams.

The difficult bit is that period between 18-21yo where players seem to stagnate in Scotland. Hopefully we can find a path for as many as possible, and follow the likes of Patterson, Lowry and King into the first team squad.
 
Some amount of promising acquisitions at youth level this summer. Hopefully a few can make it through.

According to a non rabid Celtic supporting guy I know who is involved in coaching, and regularly watches our youth teams, our youth set up is second to none in Scotland, and is on a par with most of the top English teams.

The difficult bit is that period between 18-21yo where players seem to stagnate in Scotland. Hopefully we can find a path for as many as possible, and follow the likes of Patterson, Lowry and King into the first team squad.
I’ve heard the very same from a Celtic supporting mate of mines who’s a coach at Motherwell

He’s friendly with Craig Mulholland and told me about Bailey Rice around a month ago. Said it it kills him but he believes Mulholland has built a team/network thats out on its own in Scotland.
 
Some amount of promising acquisitions at youth level this summer. Hopefully a few can make it through.

According to a non rabid Celtic supporting guy I know who is involved in coaching, and regularly watches our youth teams, our youth set up is second to none in Scotland, and is on a par with most of the top English teams.

The difficult bit is that period between 18-21yo where players seem to stagnate in Scotland. Hopefully we can find a path for as many as possible, and follow the likes of Patterson, Lowry and King into the first team squad.
I know of a few guys who are rabid as they come and have pulled their sons out of celtic and put them in to Rangers. We're miles ahead.
 
I’ve heard the very same from a Celtic supporting mate of mines who’s a coach at Motherwell

He’s friendly with Craig Mulholland and told me about Bailey Rice around a month ago. Said it it kills him but he believes Mulholland has built a team/network thats out on its own in Scotland.
Same here,a good mate who is a head scout with an SPL club says Rangers are miles ahead in every department with regards to youth.
Think Stevie G has had a massive influence on how it’s been set up,and Gio gets it also.
Produce and find the talent and give them a clear pathway,let’s hope this is the mythical “conveyor belt of talent”
This has to be our model for now on.
 
Same here,a good mate who is a head scout with an SPL club says Rangers are miles ahead in every department with regards to youth.
Think Stevie G has had a massive influence on how it’s been set up,and Gio gets it also.
Produce and find the talent and give them a clear pathway,let’s hope this is the mythical “conveyor belt of talent”
This has to be our model for now on.
Warburton kick started it all, should be given massive credit for the way our youth system now is.
 
I know of a few guys who are rabid as they come and have pulled their sons out of celtic and put them in to Rangers. We're miles ahead.
The only issue I have with that is if they have any level of talent then they’ll jump at the first opportunity, Rory Wilson for example but if we’re going to bringing in a few hundred thousand a time then it shows it’s working and funding itself.
 
One stage of our model and a stage that seems to be well on its way based on the comments on this thread and the apparantly quality of the players coming in. Exciting times.
 
I’ve heard the very same from a Celtic supporting mate of mines who’s a coach at Motherwell

He’s friendly with Craig Mulholland and told me about Bailey Rice around a month ago. Said it it kills him but he believes Mulholland has built a team/network thats out on its own in Scotland.
Good to hear.

What's Jimmy Sinclair up to these days?
 
The only issue I have with that is if they have any level of talent then they’ll jump at the first opportunity, Rory Wilson for example but if we’re going to bringing in a few hundred thousand a time then it shows it’s working and funding itself.
Listening to Mulholland speak last month (and on previous occasions) he sees players - at all ages - moving on of their own accord as being part of a normal trading pattern. So when a Rory Wilson or a Billy Gilmour move on before we have a chance to see them in the first-team, this is part of the cross-border loophole which we ourselves exploit and are improving upon within, all the time. Any money we make, however small it may seem, is re-invested in order to raid other teams.
 
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Some amount of promising acquisitions at youth level this summer. Hopefully a few can make it through.

According to a non rabid Celtic supporting guy I know who is involved in coaching, and regularly watches our youth teams, our youth set up is second to none in Scotland, and is on a par with most of the top English teams.

The difficult bit is that period between 18-21yo where players seem to stagnate in Scotland. Hopefully we can find a path for as many as possible, and follow the likes of Patterson, Lowry and King into the first team squad.
It’s been such almost since the “top ten” came into being but has got worse over the years.
I don’t think binning the reserve league helped either.
I can’t help believe the lack of genuine, competitive football, at that age hurts more than anything.
Maybe a take on a reserve league, not age restricted because you learn from experienced players, is something that needs considered.
Lowland league experience helps but it’s still four or five levels below our first team.
 
It’s been such almost since the “top ten” came into being but has got worse over the years.
I don’t think binning the reserve league helped either.
I can’t help believe the lack of genuine, competitive football, at that age hurts more than anything.
Maybe a take on a reserve league, not age restricted because you learn from experienced players, is something that needs considered.
Lowland league experience helps but it’s still four or five levels below our first team.
Totally agree, playing with seasoned pros in competitive games must have been of massive benefit to young guys coming through, and many ex pros have come out and said as much.

I think sometimes the Scottish mentality can be a bit of a burden, where perhaps boys of that age can get a wee bit distracted by off the field stuff and the peer pressure of their mates. Plus, having a grounded, stable family background with supportive parents and family can make a difference too. I know of one young guy who walked away from a deal a couple of years ago with Celtic because his junkie dad thought the money was not good enough, and is now playing Juniors. Must be many sliding doors moments like that in the game.

Up to age of 18, most Scottish players can compete with the best of the rest in Europe, but players from other countries tend to push on that wee bit more between 18 and 21, albeit there exceptions like Gilmour, Patterson and Lowry, who all look as if they are going to have successful careers. But there must be a reason why so many don’t push on. You would think the SFA and the clubs would ask both themselves and the players why this is.

Another possible related issue is that many countries like England, France, Holland, Germany etc have benefitted from immigration, wherein many 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are now playing for their country. Scotland has not yet had much benefit in that regards, and is not until the boys mature into fully grown adults that you start to really notice the physical differences between nationalities in the modern game, and that can push Scottish teams to look outside Scotland to get players that can compete both physically and athletically. The further down the game you go in Scotland, you start to see massive gaps in both physique and fitness.

For me, a good idea might also be to send some young guys on short loans abroad, away from their mates, and force them to grow up quickly.
 
The only issue I have with that is if they have any level of talent then they’ll jump at the first opportunity, Rory Wilson for example but if we’re going to bringing in a few hundred thousand a time then it shows it’s working and funding itself.

That bit in bold is what funds finding a top talent or two per season and making the big money.

Sporting Lisbon, for example, have over a hundred youth scouts and at any given time are involved in coaching over 5000 school kids. They bring in millions of Euros per season just through the small deals they do with selling on decent prospects while keeping hold of the best ones.

Those small deals fund the whole operation.
 
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I wish it was true, my eyes must be deceiving me most weeks.

The reason we have signed so many players is that few of our U16's and U17's were deemed good enough for contracts. With our budget and facilities that shouldn't be happening.

I've watched a younger group on 14 occasions this year they have won twice. Results aren't everything but with stats like that there is a clue there.

Rangers and Celtic don't have the better groups at younger ages, Hearts and Aberdeen and to a lesser extent Dundee United are better.

I guess the posters haven't seen any of these teams. I would suggest taking in a few games.
 
Totally agree, playing with seasoned pros in competitive games must have been of massive benefit to young guys coming through, and many ex pros have come out and said as much.

I think sometimes the Scottish mentality can be a bit of a burden, where perhaps boys of that age can get a wee bit distracted by off the field stuff and the peer pressure of their mates. Plus, having a grounded, stable family background with supportive parents and family can make a difference too. I know of one young guy who walked away from a deal a couple of years ago with Celtic because his junkie dad thought the money was not good enough, and is now playing Juniors. Must be many sliding doors moments like that in the game.

Up to age of 18, most Scottish players can compete with the best of the rest in Europe, but players from other countries tend to push on that wee bit more between 18 and 21, albeit there exceptions like Gilmour, Patterson and Lowry, who all look as if they are going to have successful careers. But there must be a reason why so many don’t push on. You would think the SFA and the clubs would ask both themselves and the players why this is.

Another possible related issue is that many countries like England, France, Holland, Germany etc have benefitted from immigration, wherein many 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are now playing for their country. Scotland has not yet had much benefit in that regards, and is not until the boys mature into fully grown adults that you start to really notice the physical differences between nationalities in the modern game, and that can push Scottish teams to look outside Scotland to get players that can compete both physically and athletically. The further down the game you go in Scotland, you start to see massive gaps in both physique and fitness.

For me, a good idea might also be to send some young guys on short loans abroad, away from their mates, and force them to grow up quickly.
Couldn’t disagree with a word here.
Just to touch on the immigration point, the Dutch and French in particular have used and embraced their colonial and political links.
The Portuguese as well, to a point.
Spain, maybe less so.
Britain, nowhere near as readily and Scotland even less!
Our work permit regulations were archaic up till recently and this certainly did not help.
In Britain, it’s got a lot better in the last decade or two but not in Scotland.
It’s not the reason we’re so far behind, our two team league where every dropped point is a disaster is the main reason for me, but it has certainly never helped.
 
I wish it was true, my eyes must be deceiving me most weeks.

The reason we have signed so many players is that few of our U16's and U17's were deemed good enough for contracts. With our budget and facilities that shouldn't be happening.

I've watched a younger group on 14 occasions this year they have won twice. Results aren't everything but with stats like that there is a clue there.

Rangers and Celtic don't have the better groups at younger ages, Hearts and Aberdeen and to a lesser extent Dundee United are better.

I guess the posters haven't seen any of these teams. I would suggest taking in a few games.

Why are the Rangers and Celtic groups weaker if it's obviously not facility or budget related? Parents not wanting to send their kids to either because of perceived lack of opportunity to make it to 1st team level?
 
That bit in bold is what funds finding a top talent or two per season and making the big money.

Sporting Lisbon, for example, have over a hundred youth scouts and at any given time are involved in coaching over 5000 school kids. They bring in millions of Euros per season just through the small deals they do with selling on decent prospects while keeping hold of the best ones.

Those small deals fund the whole operation.
We need to make the academy self funding
The Billy Gilmour’s and Rory Wilson’s make this possible
 
Why are the Rangers and Celtic groups weaker if it's obviously not facility or budget related? Parents not wanting to send their kids to either because of perceived lack of opportunity to make it to 1st team level?
No doubt a number of factors.

We had good groups in the 2003's and 2004's with around 10 from each year signing pro contracts. Which are the players breaking through recently and last year's U18's.

In the 2005 and this year's 2006's only three each year got pro contracts and a similar number amateur contracts.

Travel can be an issue why pass Hearts and Hibs to travel to Glasgow 3/4 times a week. So they choose to remain at a club close to home.

Rangers have generally recruited from the central belt and didn't scout Dundee and Aberdeen. Recently signed three boys from Dundee at the youngest ages and have plans to open centres in both cities.
 
I’ve heard the very same from a Celtic supporting mate of mines who’s a coach at Motherwell

He’s friendly with Craig Mulholland and told me about Bailey Rice around a month ago. Said it it kills him but he believes Mulholland has built a team/network thats out on its own in Scotland.

A few mates are at St Mirren and said the same about our set up. We lost a player from our team to rangers and he's said that thr specialist keeper training he gets is fantastic.

Great to hear.
 
No doubt a number of factors.

We had good groups in the 2003's and 2004's with around 10 from each year signing pro contracts. Which are the players breaking through recently and last year's U18's.

In the 2005 and this year's 2006's only three each year got pro contracts and a similar number amateur contracts.

Travel can be an issue why pass Hearts and Hibs to travel to Glasgow 3/4 times a week. So they choose to remain at a club close to home.

Rangers have generally recruited from the central belt and didn't scout Dundee and Aberdeen. Recently signed three boys from Dundee at the youngest ages and have plans to open centres in both cities.
This is really good news for the future!!
 
Same here,a good mate who is a head scout with an SPL club says Rangers are miles ahead in every department with regards to youth.
Think Stevie G has had a massive influence on how it’s been set up,and Gio gets it also.
Produce and find the talent and give them a clear pathway,let’s hope this is the mythical “conveyor belt of talent”
This has to be our model for now on.
I'm praying we get our own "class of 92" in the next couple of years. How good would that be? Ross Wilson would still be getting it tight for not making a signing. Maybe/Hopefully Gio sees our youth team and thinks it's good enough that we don't need to go out and splash millions and could possibly end up with another Itten

Not that I don't want us to sign a couple of players mind you lol
 
The only issue I have with that is if they have any level of talent then they’ll jump at the first opportunity, Rory Wilson for example but if we’re going to bringing in a few hundred thousand a time then it shows it’s working and funding itself.
Because there is no pathway. The top english teams have their best 16/17/18 year olds around the 1st team even in just League cup games, but if we recruited top players through the spine of the team then we could be supplementing with youth around them as they need opportunities to develop.
 
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