Average points but uneven fixtures.

[cooprfc]

With the SPFL's new made up rule today about averaging points, surely the fairest way to do so would be to do it once everyone* had played each other home and away.

That point came at the winter break when the table saw us one point behind but having played a game less.

If the points were averaged at that balanced, fair point in the fixtures, we would have the best average.

Certainly seems better than just picking a random point where different teams have went to different places.

To be clear, I wouldn't want the title like this or claim that we won it. It's a daft way of settling it. But, if settling it that way, surely they have to look at a more balanced point.

Something for our board to offer as a defence rather than as an alternative should we decide to contest it.

*We had an outstanding game to play to reach this point which remains unplayed.

 

[Corby]

Makes more sense than their current idea.

 

[_WATP_]

Makes more sense than their current idea.

They will go with whatever option gets them the outcome they want.

 

[sw26]

Either that or you apply some kind of ‘difficulty factor’ to at least a portion of the games played based on current standings.

On average points St Johnstone go above Hibs into sixth, St J’s game in hand is against us at Ibrox, Hibs have played us and Them 5 times and St Johnstone only 4 times. How is that fair?

 

[skorn]

I had a look at St Johnstone and Kilmarnock's league fixtures (7th & 8th in the table atm) so far:

From what I can see St J have played the top 6 clubs 16 times,
and Kilmarnock have played the top 6 clubs 19 times.

This is the sort of uneveness that needs to be highlighted.

It's not just Rangers that are going to be shafted by this 29/30 game skewed "season".
Other clubs need to be having a look at how unfairly they've been treated too.

 

[a_weir]

There is no fair way out of this mess.

 

[Spudgun]

You start with awarding the mhanks the title and work back to roots that allow this outcome.

Anything else is just window dressing.

 

[KensingtonBlue]

Either that or you apply some kind of ‘difficulty factor’ to at least a portion of the games played based on current standings.

On average points St Johnstone go above Hibs into sixth, St J’s game in hand is against us at Ibrox, Hibs have played us and Them 5 times and St Johnstone only 4 times. How is that fair?

Certainly, some sort of weighted average would be a much more sensible approach. A blanket average is grossly unfair.

 

[HiHi Bear]

Certainly, some sort of weighted average would be a much more sensible approach. A blanket average is grossly unfair.

Blanket average is just window dressing the standings at present.
Devious as usual and just following what Lennon came out with at the start!
We must push back for the system in post#1
Sporting Integrity should rule!

 

[fergie1959]

There is no fairness as to whether or not the scum are awarded a title they have not actually won. The other clubs will vote anything that puts the boot into Rangers. The issue then becomes do we as a club and support accept this or fight it? If we just sit back and allow this to happen there will be a lot of supporters who will be finished with the unbelievably corrupt Scottish game.

 

[Mview83]

So it may not be as clear cut that teams will vote this through?

 

[Henrywatson115]

I had a look at St Johnstone and Kilmarnock's league fixtures (7th & 8th in the table atm) so far:

From what I can see St J have played the top 6 clubs 16 times,
and Kilmarnock have played the top 6 clubs 19 times.

This is the sort of uneveness that needs to be highlighted.

It's not just Rangers that are going to be shafted by this 29/30 game skewed "season".
Other clubs need to be having a look at how unfairly they've been treated too.

All they see is the £ and they will be safe

 

[skorn]

Just to remind us all of what CFC manager Neil Lennon was reported as saying on 13th March this year:
""Certainly, if you are talking about the Armageddon of the league being cancelled or stopped, it should go on the average points total which would make us clear champions and rightly so. "

As other posters have pointed out, as soon as CFC made their demands, the road to get there was being mapped out.

Oddly enough, in February Lennon was quoted as saying (after they had gone 12 points in front of us) that Celtic were still "a million miles" from winning the title.

 

[big_blue]

They will go with whatever option gets them the outcome they want.

Exactly. All permutations lead to them being handed 9 in a row. It makes no difference what scheme they come up with.

 

[RenfrewBear72]

The method of ending the season will be based on gifting the mentally challengeds their title and you can bet it won't be an 11-1 vote either.
Rangers should refuse to play next season if the title is given away, cause havoc to the fixture calendar, the sponsors, the TV, and of course the coffers of all diddy clubs across the land.

 

[ALittleBitOfTheBubbly]

This is what Michael Beale was getting at in an interview he gave a few weeks back

How do you determine final league positions?
This is the impossible question to answer. Everyone will have a different opinion that is somehow biased by their own clubs situation. Maybe each league will give the member clubs a chance to vote on the outcome. So for example, Liverpool being so far ahead isn’t a hard decision to vote on as its 20+ points…… but it’s the other end of the table where the issues lie and relegation can have a huge impact on clubs, player contracts, careers and even the future stability of the whole club financially. The same can be said for promoted clubs in a positive way. So we are in a very difficult place that no one wants to be in and that you cannot plan for. Promotion and relegation is the big concern. Unless the leagues can be split in a fair and equal way. So a league with less teams like Scotland can decide to not predict into the future – but go back to a point where each team has played each other twice and use that as a fair reference of the teams level over the equal part of the season. If the positions are the same now as at that point then I think it’s a fairer reference point as each team has played each other twice. But, we must never determine relegation based on a points total where each team has played a different mix of games/opponents and nothing is mathematically decided. This would kill all sporting integrity.

So i believe the different leagues will be sticking close to the rule books and this season will be postponed until later in the year or cancelled completly. Whilst this will seem unfair, I’m not sure what else can be done? – but let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.

 

[sg9375]

This average points is a total farce!! FFS what next? Sit the teams down and get the connect 4 game out and play best of 3? Im lost for words to be honest reading that pish idea!!

 

[BlueSeaOfIbrox]

Don't understand how they can award a title when we haven't all played the same amount of games and we haven't played the same opponents.

It shouldn't be, but under those circumstances the only fair way to do it is at the half way point when everyone played each other but even that's not possible because of our GIH.


Null & Void or postpone until it's safe. It's the only 2 options.

 

[Blutoe]

The outcome has never been in doubt. There is no chance that any league will declare their season null and void. The clubs will vote in favour of anything that gives them cash. The only clubs likely to vote against at us and all the teams looking at relegation
The problem with challenging them legally being ‘awarded’ the title will be that the others will fold leaving Hearts and us holding the potential cost and the same outcome.
I will continuously apply an asterisk to the ‘9th’ title as ‘unofficial’ Like the war years.

 

[ALASKA]

And after getting shafted by all the other teams Rangers fans will still pack out their stadiums.

 

[The Royal Standard]

They will go with whatever option gets them the outcome they want.

Correct

 

[Porrohman]

we need to fight tooth and nail for what's right here,
no quarter given and certainly no title given
we will fight till the day is done
WATP

 

[calderbear]

Maybe we should apply the football variation of the Duckworth Lewis method.
It makes as much sense as any other method to resolve the issue bar the method that should be applied...
Void the season, thus ensuring sporting integrity is maintained.
After all the other clubs decreed previously that sporting integrity is what matters, above all else.

 

[Niptrueblue]

I remember reading on here that there was a discussion on Clyde One night and someone had suggested penalty shoot outs to decide positions. After trying to dissect today’s news, that does seem a more attractive option than the nonsense they have proposed.

 

[Bknowe]

Lennon coming out with this in his prematch presser for a game that had been called off shows they knew what they were doing.

There is no depth they will not stoop to win. Ensuring they got to remain a game ahead of us with no set date of when the St Johnstone game could have been fitted into the schedule has probably put this idea into their heads.

 

[calderbear]

I remember reading on here that there was a discussion on Clyde One night and someone had suggested penalty shoot outs to decide positions. After trying to dissect today’s news, that does seem a more attractive option than the nonsense they have proposed.

Not with our track record for missing penalties

 

[onceuponabriggsbear]

Either that or you apply some kind of ‘difficulty factor’ to at least a portion of the games played based on current standings.

On average points St Johnstone go above Hibs into sixth, St J’s game in hand is against us at Ibrox, Hibs have played us and Them 5 times and St Johnstone only 4 times. How is that fair?

Wtf.
Degree of difficulty, ffs you surely on the sauce.
Who judges this model ? Torvell and Dean ?