Barry Ferguson on Barisic

Anoldranger

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Well I don’t know if Barry watched the game he is talking about because for most of the game Bale played through the middle and not in direct opposition to Bona! Bona did okay in the game without being a standout,Wales were on the back foot for most of the game and Croatia as a whole had little defending to do. Personally if we are offered our money back from someone take it and replace him with someone more suited to the game in this country.
 

andrewmont1

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I find it frustrating that Barisic is really on the ball against the better opposition but then loses his focus in the “easier” matches.

When people talk about someone being a Big Game Player, it’s usually a given that they show at least that level of performance against the lesser opponents. Barisic seems to take it all a bit lightly.

There a player there, without doubt. Whether the attitude can be improved is the question for me and it’s down to the player and the coaching staff to try to fix it. I’d give him another season but I don’t think he is an automatic starter at the moment.
If he cant play 100% in every game then not for me. During 9IAR far better players than him gave it all in every match. To me that was Walter's doing. Keeping guys revved up game after game season after season takes so so much effort by management. Maybe something Gerrard hasnt got just yet?
 

ElBarrileteCosmico

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Why not ? Since he joined us he’s become Croatia’s regular left back .

I think we will make a profit
Yeah, I have read once or twice on here that he plays for Croatia. He's been poor for us and looks every inch the man you cannot rely on. If we can sell him for a profit then, as I said, I'd be delighted.
 

Chastu

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so we sell Borna, who replaces him?, why so many on here want to sell our most gifted players I will never understand, so far we should sell, simply because we can profit from said sell Tav, Alfie, Borna and Jack, anyone else?
 

KensingtonBlue

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Barisic is talented but either way it’s a big risk not buying a new left-back.

We can’t rely on him suddenly coming good. What happens if we get into the new season and it’s the same old Barisic and we’ve no time to replace him (or cash in?). It would be a waste of time for the player, his value would diminish and we’d be left with Flanagan who simply isn’t good enough.
 

ScotiaPapac

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If we are offered £3m for him this transfer window then take it. We need to strike while the iron is hot, if he spends most of the time between now and January on the bench or in the stands (probable) then his value will dwindle.

People thinking he is going to come good and be the player we all thought he was are deluded. He doesn’t have what it takes to play for Rangers.
 

MearnsUnionist

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It doesn't seem to affect him when he plays for Croatia though. I think it might just be the frantic style and physicality that he's struggled to get to grips with tbh

That could definitely be a part of it mate, however, there's no doubt that there's a unique pressure at Rangers, from a very demanding support, to not only win every game, but every tackle must be won too.
100% must be given in everything you do.

Many non Scots have come here and struggled with the demands.

Others like Butcher, Robert's, Gascoigne, Laudrup, Albertz, Gio, Numan, Mols etc. embraced it and became Ibrox legends.
 

TimzRFudz

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His talent isn't in doubt. It never has been.

But do you trust him to burst a gut at Pittodrie or Parkhead ? Or Tynecastle or Easter Road ? Do you trust him not to shit a 50/50 ? Do you think he has the ability to take a heavy tackle and get up ? Not to let his head drop because the winger has went by him once or twice ?Because if the answer is no then no amount of talent will compensate for those flaws in this league.
I think he's drinking in last chance saloon, although he wouldn't be the first decent player in our history who has taken a season or so to get to grips with playing against the linebackers of the SPL.

I'd give him to the xmas window.
 

Knightswoodbear

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I'd sell while we can still get a good wedge for him. What other player that has flopped in our recent history has been given such a long grace period? He's doing it for Croatia at a higher level, so why isn't he doing it for us? Personally I think he wants away himself (just my opinion obviously). If we could get ~£4 million for him I'd be delighted.
 

The Moon on Mars is Blue

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For me it's all down to his attitude. He has the ability ,given after the U23s game against Liverpool he was the only one to apologise to the Manger that does give some indication of attitude but the performance against Killie was poor,so who knows. If he gets it right he could be a great asset.
 

TimzRFudz

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I'd sell while we can still get a good wedge for him. What other player that has flopped in our recent history has been given such a long grace period? He's doing it for Croatia at a higher level, so why isn't he doing it for us? Personally I think he wants away himself (just my opinion obviously). If we could get ~£4 million for him I'd be delighted.
He's not even been at the club for a year yet, and spent significant spells injured last season. The jury is very much out as far as I'm concerned but I think it's not quite a prolonged period that we've been saddled with a dud for, which is what your post implies?
 

Recoba

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This is a tricky one, he deserves another chance with a pre season behind him.

Many players all over the world have had a poor first season and can be transformed the next.

I do question the heart he has for the rough and tumble of the Spl though and that does concern me, he doesnt seem to commit 100% to challenges or bombing forward, we saw less and less crosses coming from him as the season went on.
 

Thesuperger

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Borna isn’t shite by any stretch of the imagination but he might not be suited to Scottish football
Just so strange how he can look so comfortable on the international stage but when he pulls on the blue shirt he looks like a rabbit in the head lights and most of the time looks disinterested! Hope he stays and ups his level for us next season.
 

DavieM

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Nobody really knows how it will work out for Barisic - based on his form for us getting £2 or £3 million for him would be (crazy good) business but then again if he does settle, remains injury free and gets back to the player we all hoped for, he would be worth a hell of a lot more ...

Not really any correct answer in all this so no point anybody trying to be the clever bugger by telling us any different - it is only your opinion and like the rest of us we don't know how it will turn out - could go either way but it would need to be some turnaround for him.
 

Knightswoodbear

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He's not even been at the club for a year yet, and spent significant spells injured last season. The jury is very much out as far as I'm concerned but I think it's not quite a prolonged period that we've been saddled with a dud for, which is what your post implies?
We signed him on the 7th of August last year, so he's been here for a season. Granted he's had injury problems, but that in itself is another can of worms. How many times was he genuinely not match fit, how many times was there another issue? Remember the Helsinki friendly, he copped a tough (but fair enough) tackle and went down screaming and slapping the ground. The gaffer looked genuinely worried until he was up walking a minute or two later then carried on the game as if nothing had happened. Then there was the time that he stayed over in Croatia after a game and returned here late because he'd picked up an injury. He also is supposed to have told Stevie G that he'd prefer not to play on plastic pitches. Listen, his ability isn't in question-the guys clearly got it when he's turning out for Croatia every game but you have to admit that he's bombed at Ibrox so far. Question is why, and how long do we persevere with him when other players would have been jettisoned a long time ago.
 

RabSpackman

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If he cant play 100% in every game then not for me. During 9IAR far better players than him gave it all in every match. To me that was Walter's doing. Keeping guys revved up game after game season after season takes so so much effort by management. Maybe something Gerrard hasnt got just yet?
Attitude comes from the player - nobody else can install the desire in them. Coaches, teammates or managers can try to inspire with words and actions but if a player genuinely can’t motivate themselves then it is down to them.

I would never try to claim that playing for Rangers in Scotland puts a player in any sort of elite competitive environment but the demands of playing for this club exceed the demands just about anywhere else in the world - maybe even more so given the relative worth of the league and the competition.

Great players have come here, not got it or been able for it and left quickly.

I’m all for giving Barisic, or anyone else, time to settle but if he doesn’t start next season with his very best form then I think he will be moved on relatively quickly, or as soon as Gerrard and his team identify another leftback who can provide the required level of performance.
 

david1982

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His talent isn't in doubt. It never has been.

But do you trust him to burst a gut at Pittodrie or Parkhead ? Or Tynecastle or Easter Road ? Do you trust him not to shit a 50/50 ? Do you think he has the ability to take a heavy tackle and get up ? Not to let his head drop because the winger has went by him once or twice ?Because if the answer is no then no amount of talent will compensate for those flaws in this league.
How can Barisic go from being turned inside out at Shittodrie by Greg Stewart to competing well with Gareth Bale?....

Is it attitude?
 

TimzRFudz

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We signed him on the 7th of August last year, so he's been here for a season. Granted he's had injury problems, but that in itself is another can of worms. How many times was he genuinely not match fit, how many times was there another issue? Remember the Helsinki friendly, he copped a tough (but fair enough) tackle and went down screaming and slapping the ground. The gaffer looked genuinely worried until he was up walking a minute or two later then carried on the game as if nothing had happened. Then there was the time that he stayed over in Croatia after a game and returned here late because he'd picked up an injury. He also is supposed to have told Stevie G that he'd prefer not to play on plastic pitches. Listen, his ability isn't in question-the guys clearly got it when he's turning out for Croatia every game but you have to admit that he's bombed at Ibrox so far. Question is why, and how long do we persevere with him when other players would have been jettisoned a long time ago.
Like Rossiter?

(Whom I'm a fan of, by the way).

To contradict myself a bit - Gerrard has indicated recently that he's not going to fanny about with people that he doesn't trust or who just don't look like being fit. So bye bye Kyle, for example, and thanks but sorry son to Dorrans, if the stories are true. The fact he's not actively trying to punt Barisic in a similar manner, and also the fact that clubs aren't queuing up to take him, suggests to me he's going nowhere right now. If that's the case then we need to get behind him as a Rangers player.

To answer your question, I'd give him until the winter window. There's no way we're getting £4M for him just now, equally his value won't fall off the cliff a few months down the line, particularly when he's still likely to be involved in the Croatia set up. Give him a preseason with us and see how the start of the season goes. I think that would be a low risk strategy in terms of managing him. I'm on record on here after the Kilmarnock game saying that I'd ran out of patience with him too, but there's no point potentially chucking the baby out with the bathwater. I don't see what harm holding fire until xmas will do. It doesn't stop us from signing another LB in the interim.

Edit - indeed, as the poster a couple above points out, the window is still open at the start of the season. We could even look at shifting him towards the tail end of the summer if he doesn't start the season well. Given the EL qualifiers, friendlies and first few league games there might be a dozen or so opportunities for him to demonstrate that he should be in the team.
 

ShotaShuffle

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His talent isn't in doubt. It never has been.

But do you trust him to burst a gut at Pittodrie or Parkhead ? Or Tynecastle or Easter Road ? Do you trust him not to shit a 50/50 ? Do you think he has the ability to take a heavy tackle and get up ? Not to let his head drop because the winger has went by him once or twice ?Because if the answer is no then no amount of talent will compensate for those flaws in this league.
Rabbit in headlights is all I see when I watch him
 

Kingdom Bear

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I think you can see in his face at times that Borna is shocked at the physicality of the Scottish game. I don't think he can believe what players get away with and how lenient Scottish Referees are (especially against Rangers)

However that's the the shite we have to put up with in this hate filled country and if he's not up for it ... he has to go i'm afraid !!!
 

Mview83

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Barry seems to be placing a lot of stock on the Wales match, I saw this game, Croatia were all over them, Wales barely had a kick. I wouldn’t say Borna was anything more than average in this match
Exactly. Bale also played up through the middle for a majority of the game.

Wouldn’t be like Barry to talk utter rot in these columns.
 

Macca

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His talent isn't in doubt. It never has been.

But do you trust him to burst a gut at Pittodrie or Parkhead ? Or Tynecastle or Easter Road ? Do you trust him not to shit a 50/50 ? Do you think he has the ability to take a heavy tackle and get up ? Not to let his head drop because the winger has went by him once or twice ?Because if the answer is no then no amount of talent will compensate for those flaws in this league.
this could have been written by the gaffer :)
 

Knightswoodbear

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Like Rossiter?

(Whom I'm a fan of, by the way).

To contradict myself a bit - Gerrard has indicated recently that he's not going to fanny about with people that he doesn't trust or who just don't look like being fit. So bye bye Kyle, for example, and thanks but sorry son to Dorrans, if the stories are true. The fact he's not actively trying to punt Barisic in a similar manner, and also the fact that clubs aren't queuing up to take him, suggests to me he's going nowhere right now. If that's the case then we need to get behind him as a Rangers player.

To answer your question, I'd give him until the winter window. There's no way we're getting £4M for him just now, equally his value won't fall off the cliff a few months down the line, particularly when he's still likely to be involved in the Croatia set up. Give him a preseason with us and see how the start of the season goes. I think that would be a low risk strategy in terms of managing him. I'm on record on here after the Kilmarnock game saying that I'd ran out of patience with him too, but there's no point potentially chucking the baby out with the bathwater. I don't see what harm holding fire until xmas will do. It doesn't stop us from signing another LB in the interim.

Edit - indeed, as the poster a couple above points out, the window is still open at the start of the season. We could even look at shifting him towards the tail end of the summer if he doesn't start the season well. Given the EL qualifiers, friendlies and first few league games there might be a dozen or so opportunities for him to demonstrate that he should be in the team.

I can see some similarities with Rossiter, although to give JR his due he seemed to be out of action completely rather than being able to play (and look decent) for his country then being posted missing at club level. If SG can get Barisic' mentality sorted then I'm fully confident that he'll stay and be first choice left back (certainly in games where we're going to be doing most of the pressing and in possession). For tighter games against better opposition and in Europe I'd still go with Flanagan, the jersey should be his to lose after his performances at the tail end of last season. Alternating between those two (opposition dependent) if we can sort Barisic' out would be ideal for next season imo.
 

fergie1959

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Think the difference in performances between International and domestic appearances are easy to explain. Up till now he has put in more effort for his country. That could change and I hope it does.
 

RFC4ME

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The whole physicality of Scottish game thing..... it's a load of nonsense that I think.

loads of players all over the world are gnarly rotten shits who will kick, elbow, pinch and nip a player, who will crunch and batter into a tackle.

It's total pish to say it is a culture change when folks come and play here.
 

CaptainCourageous

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Some players just aren't suited to Scottish Football, it doesn't make them bad players. Look at Basile Boli, he was one of the best defenders in the world when we signed him and he struggled over here.

Cash in for me, especially if we can get decent dough for him.
We go into next season with Barišić as our first choice LB, he stays fit and performs consistentlu, then great.

It goes the other way, he continues to struggles with injuries and his form is poor and we are left with Flanagan at LB.

I like Flanagan but he's not first choice left back material.
 

Its-Sebo

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The whole physicality of Scottish game thing..... it's a load of nonsense that I think.

loads of players all over the world are gnarly rotten shits who will kick, elbow, pinch and nip a player, who will crunch and batter into a tackle.

It's total pish to say it is a culture change when folks come and play here.
The difference between Scotland and the rest of the world though is that A) There's a much higher frequency of those types of players and B) There's little to no protection from the refs.

Think about:
Porteous' challenge on Coulibaly
Clare's shin breaker on Coulibaly
McGinn's shîte challenge on Coulibaly
Power's kick to Jack's face
Some Motherwell knuckle-dragger's challenge on Atakayi's debut

And these are just a few off the top of my head from this season. Bad challenges happen everywhere, but you'll be hard pressed to find many other leagues where so many bad challenges, a lot of which are clearly intentional, go unpunished or underpunished.

We're in a league where Porteous stays on the pitch after that challenge (right in front of the ref) but Candeias is ordered off the pitch for blowing a kiss. Something is seriously wrong.
 

RFC4ME

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The difference between Scotland and the rest of the world though is that A) There's a much higher frequency of those types of players and B) There's little to no protection from the refs.

Think about:
Porteous' challenge on Coulibaly
Clare's shin breaker on Coulibaly
McGinn's shîte challenge on Coulibaly
Power's kick to Jack's face
Some Motherwell knuckle-dragger's challenge on Atakayi's debut

And these are just a few off the top of my head from this season. Bad challenges happen everywhere, but you'll be hard pressed to find many other leagues where so many bad challenges, a lot of which are clearly intentional, go unpunished or underpunished.

We're in a league where Porteous stays on the pitch after that challenge (right in front of the ref) but Candeias is ordered off the pitch for blowing a kiss. Something is seriously wrong.

Not entirely convinced, a World Cup took place where a team booted the %^*& out the other with little punishment - it happens, there are loads of awful refereeing decisions often
 

Drumchapel-Bear

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The difference between Scotland and the rest of the world though is that A) There's a much higher frequency of those types of players and B) There's little to no protection from the refs.

Think about:
Porteous' challenge on Coulibaly
Clare's shin breaker on Coulibaly
McGinn's shîte challenge on Coulibaly
Power's kick to Jack's face
Some Motherwell knuckle-dragger's challenge on Atakayi's debut

And these are just a few off the top of my head from this season. Bad challenges happen everywhere, but you'll be hard pressed to find many other leagues where so many bad challenges, a lot of which are clearly intentional, go unpunished or underpunished.

We're in a league where Porteous stays on the pitch after that challenge (right in front of the ref) but Candeias is ordered off the pitch for blowing a kiss. Something is seriously wrong.
Michael Beale spoke about it recently. Said it's a big problem up here the amount of tackles etc that refs let go compared to other leagues and other countries. It actually has a knock on effect on the quality of the football that is played.
 

RDFM

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His “unlocked hidden ability” seems to become greater with each passing day.
 

JD1872

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He is clearly massively short of confidence when playing for us, every time he gets the ball he looks to go backwards and not take any risks which is really not his game.

Hopefully a full pre season will help in addition to the experience he has had this season which he can build on. There is definitely a player there but he has to show next season he has the mentality.

don't usually agree with Ferguson but he is spot on here
 
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