Barry the tim apologist

muttley

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Folk on here are weird.

It's blatantly obvious he is saying that it's ridiculous what's been going on since we won and even calls out the fact that the ott reaction is because they are in a title race.

And he is also right. You can't spend three weeks saying "it's only gestures" about Morelos and then go mental about Griffiths.

This is all so boring.


The gesture made by Alfie and the ned behaviour by Griffiths are totally different! Griffiths threw an object at the crowd and somehow the media are painting him as a victim but Alfie has mental problems and should see a psychiatrist according to the media!

Griffiths should be hammered by the football authorities for his behaviour.

Its the double standards that people are talking about...
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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Not sure if they're tims or just incredibly naive. Some of them appear regularly defending the inaction of the board and criticising anyone that highlights problems at Ibrox. They claim criticism is wrong even when its constructive.
Not Tim's, just get pissed off at our board taking a hammering, not from them, but us.

If you really want to slate the guys who are at present working for rangers and who haven't got it easy, because of the whole climate in scotland altogether from politics to football, then at least just pm others and stop washing our dirty linen in public.

They're doing a good job of causing disharmony amongst ourselves. As far as I can see, this clubs going forward even with the current anti rangers climate that's being happening for years, but has got worse since we have had an unholy alliance of scottish and irish nationalis. Not easy to deal with when they are in strong positions in the media.

The club tried to defend itself and the fans after the cup final against hibs and basically got made a mug of. That's hard to fight against and will be, until such a time as these people are in powerful positions.
 

derbybear

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Not Tim's, just get pissed off at our board taking a hammering, not from them, but us.

If you really want to slate the guys who are at present working for rangers and who haven't got it easy, because of the whole climate in scotland altogether from politics to football, then at least just pm others and stop washing our dirty linen in public.

They're doing a good job of causing disharmony amongst ourselves. As far as I can see, this clubs going forward even with the current anti rangers climate that's being happening for years, but has got worse since we have had an unholy alliance of scottish and irish nationalis. Not easy to deal with when they are in strong positions in the media.

The club tried to defend itself and the fans after the cup final against hibs and basically got made a mug of. That's hard to fight against and will be, until such a time as these people are in powerful positions.
we lost a no brainier thanks to hunks like you
 

LOL 133

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Not Tim's, just get pissed off at our board taking a hammering, not from them, but us.

If you really want to slate the guys who are at present working for rangers and who haven't got it easy, because of the whole climate in scotland altogether from politics to football, then at least just pm others and stop washing our dirty linen in public.

They're doing a good job of causing disharmony amongst ourselves. As far as I can see, this clubs going forward even with the current anti rangers climate that's being happening for years, but has got worse since we have had an unholy alliance of scottish and irish nationalis. Not easy to deal with when they are in strong positions in the media.

The club tried to defend itself and the fans after the cup final against hibs and basically got made a mug of. That's hard to fight against and will be, until such a time as these people are in powerful positions.
How many open goals do we need to miss before the club gets serious? Employ someone to gather evidence of the bias. Dont just soak it up.

Im reaching the point where Ive had enough.
 

truebluesince82

Active Member
BF is like many of our support and still thinks sense can prevail by showing that lot how poor their behaviour is. No idea what it will take for us to wake up.
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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How many open goals do we need to miss before the club gets serious? Employ someone to gather evidence of the bias. Dont just soak it up.

Im reaching the point where Ive had enough.
I get your frustration, but as I mentioned about the cup final, all the evidence was there in front of us. Where did it get us, mocked by the media. Cant ever remember players of any club being physically attacked on the pitch and then we have clowns like that arse stuart cosgrove who mixes his politics and football, trashing us and at the same time being paid by us.

I dont know how it works with bloggers, but cant there be a few who are savvy at this who can go on a constant attack being anonymous, just like was done to us.
 

millarman

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The hatred for Ferguson on this board is insane. He had his faults but fcuk me he’s head and shoulders the best player we have produced in nearly 40 years.
 

wee bud's pit boots

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What this @rsehole Ferguson should have been highlighting is the double standards and brazen hypocrisy at play here. Nothing else.

What chance have we got when ex players with the chance to put a bit of perspective from the Rangers supports' point of view, would rather rub our noses in it instead.
 

Boldy

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WE all know the way this works by now.

When a Celtic striker scrunches up a bit of tape and tosses it at a Kilmarnock fan, it’s my responsibility as a former Rangers player to jump up and down about it, scream blue murder and call for Leigh Griffiths to be hung, drawn and quartered for it on the sixth floor of Hampden.

Well, if it’s all the same to you, I’ll excuse myself from the tit-for-tat that’s been going on ever since Rangers won at Celtic Park on December 29 and pundits up and down the land lost their grip on any sense of perspective.

If you’re wondering why so many hardened old pros have suddenly become hunks, offended by the slightest little thing, then let me fill you in.

It’s because, for the first time in years, there’s a proper title race going on and some people are clearly struggling to keep their allegiances in check.

Well you can leave me out of that. In fact, to be perfectly honest, the whole thing is really starting to p*** me off.

Hasn’t anyone else realised it was three-and-a-half weeks ago Alfredo Morelos got sent off at Celtic Park? That was in December 2019! Am I the only one who can’t believe some people are still wetting the bed about it?

Was Morelos in the wrong? Yes, he was. Should he have made that gesture? No, he shouldn’t have.

Does the world need to come to an end because of it? Only if there’s a two-point gap at the top of the table and Rangers have a game in hand.

So I won’t be rushing to call for Griffiths to be hammered for his reaction coming off the pitch at Rugby Park the other night. I couldn’t bring myself to be such a hypocrite.

I saw the incident as it happened, shrugged my shoulders and said: “So what?”

You could see the old guy who looked like Uncle Albert out of Only Fools and Horses screaming abuse at Griffiths as he made his way into the Celtic dugout. And that’s one of my all-time favourite telly programmes by the way.

Now, don’t get me wrong here, I’m not condoning what Leigh did next. The bottom line is he had shut the guy up with what he had done on the pitch and that ought to have been good enough for him.

But, in the heat of the moment, he reacted by doing something he shouldn’t have done. I’m not going to hammer Leigh for doing that when I’ve done it a hundred times myself.

I’ve been there. You’re tired, you’re legs are killing you and there’s some guy spewing abuse at you, giving you an absolute earful as if you’ve just run over his cat.

Sometimes it’s hard not to give a little back. I’d be lying if I said I’ve never done it.

“Haw Ferguson, get tae f***you dirty wee b******!”

“Naw, you f*** off! Get it right up ye!”

Granted, I never actually threw anything at them which is where Leigh overstepped the mark. But if you have ever felt the tape players put on their socks then you’ll know it’s as light as a feather. It would have been different if it was a boot he had chucked!

And it wasn’t even thrown in an aggressive way. It was like, “Gie’s peace mate, shut up!”

Should he have done it? No.

He should have sat down and smiled at the guy. Maybe even laughed at him for behaving like a maniac.

But can I put my hand on my heart and say I blame Griffiths for what he did and that I was horrified by it? Don’t be so daft.

In terms of keeping a sense of perspective I’ve seen a lot worse. Just the same as I can’t get my knickers in a twist over the gesture Morelos made to the Celtic fans at Parkhead.

I’ve been there too, having to make the long walk after being sent off there. It felt like the whole main stand was on its feet hurling abuse at me. How did I react? Let’s just say we’d get the Daily Record shut down if I repeated it in these pages. But that’s what happens sometimes in the heat of the moment.

Then, when you’re in the shower five minutes later and replaying it in your head you realise you shouldn’t have reacted. You’re kicking yourself for being so stupid.

You know the right thing to do is to ignore it and act in a professional manner.

But we’re talking about human beings here. And every one of us has a breaking point. There’s only so much you can take before you find yourself responding to it. The problem is there’s cameras everywhere and people who are just desperate to find some reason to be outraged by the littlest thing. It must be like being in the Big Brother house ... and I don’t even watch Big Brother.

It’s getting a bit ridiculous and I would at least like to think the former pros would show a bit more common sense and understanding.

As for Griffiths, after everything he has been through, I’m genuinely happy to see him back on the pitch scoring goals even though it’s the last thing Rangers need at this stage in the campaign.

I’m happy because he’d had his struggles and because, from Scotland’s point of view, he could be a huge weapon in the play-offs for Euro 2020.

That’s what people should be concentrating on – the bigger picture – but some folk find it impossible to do that when it’s so tight at the top of the table and when it’s Rangers and Celtic who are involved.

Me? I love it. I spent my Wednesday night watching the Celtic game with one eye and checking my mobile phone for the scoreline from Ibrox with the other. At one point in the second half a single goal in either game could have turned the whole thing on its head.

That’s the way football should be. It’s supposed to be exciting. It’s supposed to get the emotions pumping.

It’s just a pity some people who should know better are letting those emotions get the better of them.
I get it Barry but unfortunately you are helping them sweep something else under that ever bulging carpet while we have a player stuck in the stand for an extra game because of there outcry of being the victims again.
 

derbybear

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Well what are you doing to change it other than giving other bears pelters? Being opinionated on a message board isn't going to change %^*& all.
Don’t buy papers

Don't go on various web sites

Don’t subscribe to Sky

Do inform hand wringers where they are going wrong

Even reply to pointless irrelevant posts.
 

Community chest

Active Member
I completely agree with the main crux of what he’s saying. It’s just galling when they are involved it’s ‘ffs let’s get a grip this is ridiculous’ when Kent and obviously especially Alfie have had torrents from all sides for nearly a full month. Who was calling for calm heads then?
 

Boaby Fett

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Like everyone, it's the mhedia reaction to this that is most gauling. The guy gets off with everything whilst if that was a Ger, Morelos in particular, he would be hounded.
 

longtimedead

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get involved on social media and answer those that attack our players and club.
Which is sound in principle but in practice you will then have fans who will then become targets for the scum who will try and find personal information on them and start harassing employers etc.

The Club should have a specialist media department and a legal team capable of dealing with the social media side of things.

Not too expensive when you consider the cost and wages of some of the players that we really shouldn’t have bought .....
 

derbybear

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Which is sound in principle but in practice you will then have fans who will then become targets for the scum who will try and find personal information on them and start harassing employers etc.

The Club should have a specialist media department and a legal team capable of dealing with the social media side of things.

Not too expensive when you consider the cost and wages of some of the players that we really shouldn’t have bought .....
Still waiting on the statement from the. Club☹
 

muttley

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Which is sound in principle but in practice you will then have fans who will then become targets for the scum who will try and find personal information on them and start harassing employers etc.

The Club should have a specialist media department and a legal team capable of dealing with the social media side of things.

Not too expensive when you consider the cost and wages of some of the players that we really shouldn’t have bought .....

I'm on twitter and I answer critics back as do many other Rangers fans..Its just a matter of making sure your security is secure on your site
 

Daleboy91Watp

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Don’t buy papers

Don't go on various web sites

Don’t subscribe to Sky

Do inform hand wringers where they are going wrong

Even reply to pointless irrelevant posts.
Dont do any of the above tbh mate. The issue being you say don't buy it the papers but the shit gets posted in hear and causes uproar anyway. The issue that we have a support is the bickering between ourselves while only a handful of bears are taking the fight to them and they're to be commended for their efforts if only everyone acted that way instead of a half arsed attempt then having a go at someone else's for not doing enough.
 

muttley

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I didn’t. I said their logic was messy. It is.

It isnt.

Its about double standards. Nobody is asking Ferguson to make things up to appease Rangers fans, just point out the glaringly obvious double standards.. He hasnt done that.

That's not "messy logic" that's just pointing out the bloody obvious. The two incidents weren't the same so you cant judge them the same but as I've now said more than a few times to you Griffiths is a "victim" in the media for acting as a ned and throwing things at the Killie crowd but, Alfie is a crackpot for the media that needs a psychiatrist for making a cultural Colombian gesture..

Its not Alfie's that behaving as a ned throwing objects as supporters even though he's had them thrown at him and been subjected to more abuse than Griffiths will ever have been..

That's the bloody difference more than a few of us are pointing out.. Double standards by the media!!
 

Bluenose1979

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It isnt.

Its about double standards. Nobody is asking Ferguson to make things up to appease Rangers fans, just point out the glaringly obvious double standards.. He hasnt done that.

That's not "messy logic" that's just pointing out the bloody obvious. The two incidents weren't the same so you cant judge them the same but as I've now said more than a few times to you Griffiths is a "victim" in the media for acting as a ned and throwing things at the Killie crowd but, Alfie is a crackpot for the media that needs a psychiatrist for making a cultural Colombian gesture..

Its not Alfie's that behaving as a ned throwing objects as supporters even though he's had them thrown at him and been subjected to more abuse than Griffiths will ever have been..

That's the bloody difference more than a few of us are pointing out.. Double standards by the media!!
for the umpteenth time. Barry’s article is not about media double standards.

His article is about pundits overreacting to minor incidents based on their allegiances to clubs.

Much like on here.

If Alfie has done what Griffiths did, nobody on here would be demanding action. It would be played down as a nothing incident.

If the media were to go to town on him for it all the folk screaming about how much worse Griffiths actions were to Alfie’s would be arguing the literal opposite of what they are doing now.

Folk were screaming to have Griffiths heavily reprimanded for wiping his nose on a flag, yet criticism of Alfie for gesturing to the mhank support is causing outrage.

Are the media one-sided and inconsistent? Yeah.

Is that what Barry’s article is about? No.

Is that him missing the point? No. He’s just talking about a different thing and it’s not suiting the folk who want him only to write about what they want him to write about.

The same folk who bemoan media pundits being biased towards their former clubs are up in arms about a media pundit not being biased towards his former club by just writing some common sense.
 

StuGers

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for the umpteenth time. Barry’s article is not about media double standards.

His article is about pundits overreacting to minor incidents based on their allegiances to clubs.

Much like on here.

If Alfie has done what Griffiths did, nobody on here would be demanding action. It would be played down as a nothing incident.

If the media were to go to town on him for it all the folk screaming about how much worse Griffiths actions were to Alfie’s would be arguing the literal opposite of what they are doing now.

Folk were screaming to have Griffiths heavily reprimanded for wiping his nose on a flag, yet criticism of Alfie for gesturing to the mhank support is causing outrage.

Are the media one-sided and inconsistent? Yeah.

Is that what Barry’s article is about? No.

Is that him missing the point? No. He’s just talking about a different thing and it’s not suiting the folk who want him only to write about what they want him to write about.

The same folk who bemoan media pundits being biased towards their former clubs are up in arms about a media pundit not being biased towards his former club by just writing some common sense.
Are you trying to compare Morelos signalling to the Rangers bench that it is game over with Griffiths wiping his nose on a Rangers crest on the corner flag?
 

muttley

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for the umpteenth time. Barry’s article is not about media double standards.

His article is about pundits overreacting to minor incidents based on their allegiances to clubs.

Much like on here.

If Alfie has done what Griffiths did, nobody on here would be demanding action. It would be played down as a nothing incident.

If the media were to go to town on him for it all the folk screaming about how much worse Griffiths actions were to Alfie’s would be arguing the literal opposite of what they are doing now.

Folk were screaming to have Griffiths heavily reprimanded for wiping his nose on a flag, yet criticism of Alfie for gesturing to the mhank support is causing outrage.

Are the media one-sided and inconsistent? Yeah.

Is that what Barry’s article is about? No.

Is that him missing the point? No. He’s just talking about a different thing and it’s not suiting the folk who want him only to write about what they want him to write about.

The same folk who bemoan media pundits being biased towards their former clubs are up in arms about a media pundit not being biased towards his former club by just writing some common sense.
Folk are calling him out for not stating the double standards!!
 

Bluenose1979

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Are you trying to compare Morelos signalling to the Rangers bench that it is game over with Griffiths wiping his nose on a Rangers crest on the corner flag?
Im saying the same thing Barry is saying. Players give gestures, react to crowds antagonism and generally do daft or even cuntish things at times in the heat of the event that in an ideal world without emotion or passion they’d probably not do, but to anyone with a modicum of perspective it’s really not a big deal or something to get worked up about.

What I can guarantee is that if you interchange the actions of these players, the arguments and positions of the folk on either side wailing and crying would literally switch to the polar opposite to suit their allegiance.
 

muttley

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Exactly my point.

You’re calling him out not writing about a different thing that you want him to. It’s not missing the point it’s just discussing a different one.
He mentions Griffiths and makes excuses for him, he should instead have called out his behaviour mentioning as Boyd did how fans have been rightly slated for throwing objects at players..Ferguson didn't do that.

He should have condemned his ned behaviour as his behaviour is not the same as Alfie's cultural gesture.
 

Bluenose1979

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He mentions Griffiths and makes excuses for him, he should instead have called out his behaviour mentioning as Boyd did how fans have been rightly slated for throwing objects at players..Ferguson didn't do that.

He should have condemned his ned behaviour as his behaviour is not the same as Alfie's cultural gesture.
If he did that, then it might suit you and what you want to read - but it would kind of contradict his whole fcking point, which is that he can’t get worked up about either of those incidents because neither are actually a big deal. No matter how different you think they are.

I agree and I can say with a degree of confidence that if Alfie threw a bit of ankle tape into the crowd at the Piggery - you’d have a very different opinion of how heinous an action it was and would be less than happy at any pundit calling him a Ned for it.

That’s his point and you seem to be missing that.

It’s a separate argument you want to make regarding the overall balance of media reporting.
 

StuGers

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Im saying the same thing Barry is saying. Players give gestures, react to crowds antagonism and generally do daft or even cuntish things at times in the heat of the event that in an ideal world without emotion or passion they’d probably not do, but to anyone with a modicum of perspective it’s really not a big deal or something to get worked up about.

What I can guarantee is that if you interchange the actions of these players, the arguments and positions of the folk on either side wailing and crying would literally switch to the polar opposite to suit their allegiance.
I’ll be honest, if I seen a Celtic player doing the game over sign I wouldn’t think anything of it.
 

Bluenose1979

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I’ll be honest, if I seen a Celtic player doing the game over sign I wouldn’t think anything of it.
Neither would Barry or myself. If I saw Alfie throw a bit of ankle tape into the crowd, I’d think anyone getting worked up about it was being daft too.

That’s all he’s saying.
 

StuGers

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Neither would Barry or myself. If I saw Alfie throw a bit of ankle tape into the crowd, I’d think anyone getting worked up about it was being daft too.

That’s all he’s saying.
To be honest, if a Rangers player threw anything into the crowd, I would fully expect them to be pulled up about it.
 

muttley

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If he did that, then it might suit you and what you want to read - but it would kind of contradict his whole fcking point, which is that he can’t get worked up about either of those incidents because neither are actually a big deal. No matter how different you think they are.

I agree and I can say with a degree of confidence that if Alfie threw a bit of ankle tape into the crowd at the Piggery - you’d have a very different opinion of how heinous an action it was and would be less than happy at any pundit calling him a Ned for it.

That’s his point and you seem to be missing that.

It’s a separate argument you want to make regarding the overall balance of media reporting.
It's not me that's missing the point...
 

Bluenose1979

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To be honest, if a Rangers player threw anything into the crowd, I would fully expect them to be pulled up about it.
Maybe you would. Maybe.

I’d think at worst a bit of a word in the war from the gaffer to not be daft would suffice.

Would you refer to them as a Ned and demand action the way folk on here are acting towards Griffiths?

Would you agree with any pundit that called him a Ned for it or lambasted him in the media?
 
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