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Bear banned for last minute winner celebration
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There’s no hypocrisy. If they’d been charged they’d be banned. They weren’t. You’re lashing out at everybody else and it’s nobody else’s fault.
Rangers, Rangers players, other fans all being dragged in to blame or deflect.
GovanFront4
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An absolute joke. In a country where we should be looking to get as many fans through the gates as possible, to treat fans like that is ridiculous.
A last minute winner anywhere in the world would have been celebrated like that.
A last minute winner anywhere in the world would have been celebrated like that.
How can this be a shock to anybody? How is warning after warning going to sort the problem? 3 times of being identified via the media and charged along with the bad publicity before any action is taken?
There’s last minute winners almost every week in most leagues and fans stay in the stands.
HenningBerg
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He shouldn’t be on the park . Nobody should , we get that part . The fact is it’s totally OTT by the club .
GovanFront4
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Can easily tell the people who go to away games and those that don't. Anyone criticising the boy for celebrating the way he did is either at it or a hypocrite.
GovanFront4
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Last minute winner yesterday in the FA cup, 90+7 minutes, fans on the park. Wonder what will happen here:
1. It will be shown over and over and proclaimed 'the magic of the cup'.
2, The club safety officer will ban the lot of them.
I think I know which will happen.
HenningBerg
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Exactly .
It’s being reviewed after the case, what’s over the top?
deedle
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What concerns me in cases like this is that so many lose all sense of perspective.
It suits certain vested interests to portray misbehaviour at football as a major social problem deserving a draconian response.
The real reason there is such a focus on football is because politicians view Rangers as a - perhaps the - symbol of Unionism in Scotland and strive to damage the club as much as possible. They’re really only concerned about songs but will gladly seize other issues as an excuse to impose what they call ‘strict liability’.
There are far more serious problems facing Scotland involving 15 year-old youths than running on to football pitches. How on earth can Police Scotland whinge about lack of money when they devote so much effort to trivia like this?
Scotland’s political establishment refused to blame Hibs fans for “over-exuberance” following rhe scenes at the 2016 Cup Final.
Decisions like this are of no real benefit to Rangers and serve only to build barriers between the club and support. The club still doesn’t seem to understand that it has to be seen by the fans as being on the same side. Lawwell has always been smart enough to realise that Maertin Bain’s ‘fans are customers’ model was completely inappropriate in an Old Firm context.
It suits certain vested interests to portray misbehaviour at football as a major social problem deserving a draconian response.
The real reason there is such a focus on football is because politicians view Rangers as a - perhaps the - symbol of Unionism in Scotland and strive to damage the club as much as possible. They’re really only concerned about songs but will gladly seize other issues as an excuse to impose what they call ‘strict liability’.
There are far more serious problems facing Scotland involving 15 year-old youths than running on to football pitches. How on earth can Police Scotland whinge about lack of money when they devote so much effort to trivia like this?
Scotland’s political establishment refused to blame Hibs fans for “over-exuberance” following rhe scenes at the 2016 Cup Final.
Decisions like this are of no real benefit to Rangers and serve only to build barriers between the club and support. The club still doesn’t seem to understand that it has to be seen by the fans as being on the same side. Lawwell has always been smart enough to realise that Maertin Bain’s ‘fans are customers’ model was completely inappropriate in an Old Firm context.
We’ve had fans going on for years. I have a feeling there’s more to this but either way going on the pitch needed to stop.
It's not a lifetime ban.
If you ask me those 20,000 (it wasn't 20000 but no matter) should have been banned, some of them for Life. But then again I have zero sympathy for Hibs fans so maybe I'm not the person to ask.
GovanFront4
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Were you at Pittodrie in the 80s?
Were you in Barcelona in 72?
Helicopter sunday?
Just three examples of fans being on the park going back decades. All these events are revered as being some of the best times being a fan and the celebrations.
But as usual a 15 year old does it now and people agree with a banning order.
Parahandy65
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I tend to agree on your point. On the first UEFA section closure, the club were quick to close BF1 when that is where the offensive singing was identified as coming from. Without knowing whether individuals sang or not, they lost their seats without any relocation for the next match.
When the away support in Warsaw (I think) were identified as singing offensive songs for the 2nd UEFA section closure, there was no action against fans whom the club knew were in attendance. Just random sections of the grounds closed for the next match.
I appreciate the club needs to take action where damage is being done to our reputation, whether it be by offensive singing, running onto the pitch, setting off flares, etc. Sometimes it doesn't seem very even handed.
ibroxcats
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Taking a leek in public is theft from a greengrocer.
The club never took tickets for an away game which effectively closed the away section for a game.
Nobody wrecked the disabled shelter, it collapsed due to being unfit for purpose,
Surely if he has to be given a ban it should only be for a month or for 2 or 3 home games.
The club have been overzealous on this occasion.
The club have been overzealous on this occasion.
We didn’t get a second closure, Rangers refused tickets which was pointless as YB opened a section up for us anyway
Slight difference between those matches and the first game v Killie and most other matches it’s been happening in recently. As I said earlier in the thread I can only see criminal trespass as a charge for only going on the pitch but I don’t think that is a law in Scotland so there’s maybe more to this.
If it’s just a ban from Rangers and not an actual banning order from the police he can still go and not get caught anyway, loads do it
GovanFront4
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I was at Easter RoadOther two you’re showing your age
Haha, I was too young to be at Easter Road!
It's so frustrating being a fan of certain age. You look at what's gone on before with fans and how older generations talk with nostalgia of Birmingham, Manchester etc. Yet young fans now get slaughtered for everything.
GovanFront4
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How is it a difference?
You are only saying there is a difference to justify older Bears doing it 'back in the day'.
I would’ve just turned 14that season.
Yeah I completely agree, people look back with fondness on those trips yet are actively saying a young guy should be banned for celebrating a goal. Doesn’t begin to make sense haha
We don't know how long the ban is for, although it will almost certainly last until the outcome of the Court Case is known..
Surely you can see a difference between those matches.
He wasn't banned for celebrating a goal..
He wasn't though was he ?
Purpose being for people to dance on it's roof..?
Well that was exactly what he was doing? He hardly just ran on the park and park is even a stretch it was behind goals for about a minute then back in stands.
Right sorry they should all be banned for life, maybe even stoned
GovanFront4
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Both times fans were on the park. The only difference is that those events happened a long time ago and the people that ran on the park are now grumpy old men.
The Kilmarnock goal was a massive goal, granted not as big a moment as the ones mentioned, but both times fans were on the park. Only one situation you think fans deserve to be arrested though, just so happens to be the most recent one and it was younger fans involved?
HenningBerg
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There is no difference . He’s saying it’s different to try and justify his defence of the club banning a 15 year old supporter , ripping up his season ticket with no refund and possibly influencing the outcome of his pending charge .
No right thinking bear sees this as appropriate action . It’s a disgrace .
So it's Police Scotland's fault now?
Can’t go around calling other posters “wanks” because they don’t buy into the poor me mentality of those caught breaking the law.
See, you DO know what he was banned for.
The length of time or how far he got is completely irrelevant..
Johnny Boyd 2
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They probably have pictures of him on the park which is all the club need , overly harsh punishment though .
You have a flair for the dramatic don't you..?
I don't know about anyone else, but this kid hasn't been banned for Life. Right now we don't know how long he'll be banned for..
A few on here seem to, frightening
Royalblue55
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heads up guys! we are all getting banned at the end off the season when we win 55
Of course there’s a difference in the matches and the times. Anybody who says there’s no difference between an opening day goal v Killie and Barca 72 is clearly talking nonsense.
“wobay tide”somebody has a different opinion to you.
It's not a disgrace. It's an appropriate - some might say an obligatory - reaction given the circumstances.
If someone is accused of a Criminal or Disciplinary action at work they are usually suspended until an investigation is held. So temporarily banning someone is a prudent step to take and just because someone is suspended doesn't make them guilty. I don't think any Judge would regard that action as prejudicial.
I will agree with you that forfeiting his season book right now is a step too far and if the kid doesn't receive a banning order then his season book should be reinstated and the games he misses in the interim be regarded as punishment enough.
Good Luck today m8.........
And stay aff the park.
I know it will be hard to resist the urge 7 times today but stay in the stands ok..?
HenningBerg
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So you want to apply YOUR standards on when it’s appropriate or applicable to invade the pitch . No bother .
You know I haven’t banned anybody eh? I’m just not blaming everybody else for it.So you want to apply YOUR standards on when it’s appropriate or applicable to invade the pitch . No bother .
Parahandy65
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I thought the first section closure was v Legia (relating to the St Joseph's charge), and the second was v Feyenoord (relating to Legia away charge).
Apologies for taking the thread off track anyway. I was just trying to give a comparison that I feel this young lad has been harshly treated. Okay, it looks like he f****d up by going onto the pitch to celebrate. An indefinite ban seems extreme in my opinion, hopefully he gets a chance to sit down with someone from the club when his case is over to resolve the duration of the ban. I'm sure he will have learned a difficult lesson, like to think he can get back following the team he feels passionately about when the dust settles.
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