Belgium are ranked number 1 in the world. Why are Scotland so far behind??

Lovelager

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If you read about the success of France, Belgium and recently England, the whole racial background has changed dramatically.
Extract from a leading sports and race professor.

"While Mbappé is an unusual talent, his background as the son of first-generation immigrants to France makes him a typical French national team player. Indeed, 17 players on France’s 23-man roster at this year’s Cup are the sons of first-generation immigrants. Other successful European squads are also stacked with talent from sons of immigrants or recent migrants themselves, notably Switzerland and Belgium".

Not many immigrants came to Scotland in the 60's and 70's as it's always pishing it down and freezing.
 

Talktalk

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Belgium have a population of around 11 million, we have a population of about half of that. They have a team littered with world class players, we have one player that could possibly be classed in that bracket in Robertson. Why the difference? What are they doing right that we aren’t? Is it down to drink and drugs culture? Poverty? Lack of facilities?
I would say it’s because their FA were open minded and trusted real football men who changed the outlook of the football in Belgium 20 years ago for the better of the sport.

Unlike here where egos rule and the blazers don’t listen to real football men as it may upset their comfortable lives.
 

ThomasMRFC

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“ the facilities are piss poor “ argument doesn’t make sense to me , we have a lot better facilities in Scotland than many other countries who perform way better than us.

A disconnect between clubs and the shambles of a football association who run our national team is a huge problem. Also I think we lose a lot of talent to cultural issues like people who drop of out the game between 14-18 who would rather go out for a bevvy at the weekend. Add to that the poor standard of coaching at youth and a an overall lack of technically gifted players we have so many issues to face. And it’s not only the other clubs in Scotland who’s to blame , Rangers have a real lack of players who make it through or academy into the first team and go on to have a successful international career.
The facilities are there yes but they are purely mismanaged, kids are blocked from playing on them e.g gates locked in summer or at weekends ‘to protect Astro pitches’ and costs are far to high
 

50p Flute

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There will be some valid reasons, but the main one is probably just randomness. Sometimes a small country has loads of good players come through at the same time. If Belgium are top #5 in the World in 15 years time I'd be very surprised.
Yeah Mark, just the random nature of football.
Spoken like the next England or Spurs manager.
 

Dickens Cider

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Lol Scotland. Utter shite been that way since Walter.
Steve Clark is the new no mark charged with changing "the game in Scotland" lol just another Rangers hating Fenian bastard. Same paedo different Fenian.
Scotland have had no chance at doing anything since Walter, until they appoint another staunch protestant Scot then they will achieve fukk all.
 

ThomasMRFC

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I have a friend who was a really talented boxer at 14/15/16 . No1 at his weight and age in Scotland . No2 in Britain . Went to euro champs world champs etc etc. As soon as he hit 16/17 and started drinking, taking coke and chasing birds . He eventually stopped boxing and is now a roofer. I reckon this happens to a lot of footballers as well. It must be so hard even if you know your talented to see all your mates having fun and takes real mental strength not to give in to peer pressure. George best and plenty others got away with it decades ago but now in the world of sports scientists, PT’s, nutritionists, if you want to get to the top you need to treat your body like a temple
 

stonewall Jackson

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I coached amateur teams for 15 years and on more than one occasion was at Hampden for disciplinary stuff of one sort or another.

8-10 old guys with blazers, shirt and ties sitting around a big table. Anyone who has been there will tell the same sad story.

The SFA is just an extension of this. Outdated amateurs hanging on to positions of authority they are unqualified/ incompetant to hold in the first place.

Until this regime at the top changes the country will languish where it sits now or get worse.
 

Ricksen

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Most of Scotland’s best players end up at us or the scum, where they inevitably get a doing. Ian Durrant for example.
 

ThomasMRFC

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As for on the pitch unless teams like Aberdeen Kilmarnock etc try to actual play football nothing will change. If there first team just hoofs it up that will stem through there entire youth setup and kids with talent get nowhere. Refs are massive. If refs all agreed to stop allowing teams to hard tackle and kick talented players out the game it will improve. Did English refs not do this in the premier league a few years back and for 2/3 weeks there was so many red cards but eventually players realised they couldn’t do it anymore
 

GEODGC

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I coached amateur teams for 15 years and on more than one occasion was at Hampden for disciplinary stuff of one sort or another.

8-10 old guys with blazers, shirt and ties sitting around a big table. Anyone who has been there will tell the same sad story.

The SFA is just an extension of this. Outdated amateurs hanging on to positions of authority they are unqualified/ incompetant to hold in the first place.

Until this regime at the top changes the country will languish where it sits now or get worse.

You are spot on there mate. Your experience is something many people can relate to, wee insignificant guys that have worked their way onto a committee and have stayed there for years, sometimes decades.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of guys that have given up their spare time and are committed to try and make a difference, these guys never seem to get into positions of power though.
 

Barryhopez

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Lol Scotland. Utter shite been that way since Walter.
Steve Clark is the new no mark charged with changing "the game in Scotland" lol just another Rangers hating Fenian bastard. Same paedo different Fenian.
Scotland have had no chance at doing anything since Walter, until they appoint another staunch protestant Scot then they will achieve fukk all.
Fuckin hell.....:rolleyes:
 

Grigo Yossarian

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Agree with this completely.

The refereeing in this country is a real problem.

It absolutely brutalises any skills right out the game.

Players should never be allowed a freebie dull one at the start of the game. If it’s a red card in the 85th minute, it’s a red card in the 1st minute
It’s a joke mate. And it goes all through the media.

They have this pathetic testosterone based ‘aw it’s a mans game bullshit’ and meanwhile ( like us with Killie & the sheep ) good players aren’t allowed to play & develop.
 

Superrangers

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It’s a joke mate. And it goes all through the media.

They have this pathetic testosterone based ‘aw it’s a mans game bullshit’ and meanwhile ( like us with Killie & the sheep ) good players aren’t allowed to play & develop.
Yes, you only have to listen to the commentary on Rangers games on the telly, to hear the sheer delight and excitement when opponents clatter our players, to understand that this mentality prevails.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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My experience of kids football is zero technique or tactics, it’s all about working hard and getting stuck in. The coaching for the most part is woeful.
I’ve coached years ago mate & some of the guys that are allowed to ‘coach’ kids are an absolute disgrace.
Don’t have a clue about the niceties & just send wee guys out to fight. Because the system doesn’t insert controls to ensure that they put the proper mindset into kids.
 

ThomasMRFC

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It’s a joke mate. And it goes all through the media.

They have this pathetic testosterone based ‘aw it’s a mans game bullshit’ and meanwhile ( like us with Killie & the sheep ) good players aren’t allowed to play & develop.
And the clubs outside us and them don’t want that mentality to change because that mentality helps to bridge the gap which wouldn’t only get larger if talent was allowed to flourish. It’s a leveller for them
 

Superrangers

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And the clubs outside us and them don’t want that mentality to change because that mentality helps to bridge the gap which wouldn’t only get larger if talent was allowed to flourish. It’s a leveller for them
I also don’t think the tarriers want any fundamental change in refereeing in this country (unless it gets even more in their favour).
 

Blue horizon

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Belgium have a population of around 11 million, we have a population of about half of that. They have a team littered with world class players, we have one player that could possibly be classed in that bracket in Robertson. Why the difference? What are they doing right that we aren’t? Is it down to drink and drugs culture? Poverty? Lack of facilities?
No GEODGC not at all,
'drink and drugs' I mean wtf dude, nor poverty nor that of facilities (?) !

When all 'The Greats' of Scottish football ... were all doing real well and beating most KNOWN European sides and beyond, there were NO 'FACILITIES' as we have these days.
Today unlike yesteryear kids used to, for the most part be playing football after school time unlike now, today's kids are all hooked upon video games.
Today, like it or lump it, our children have it ALL TOO EASY.

Other countries not so and as a RESULT have today, far more HUNGRY kids all wanting to be THE BEST!

...... and yet tonight we had four very Ordinary defenders, crap really if the Truth was to be Told, Two FB's from killie alongside Mulgrew and the young OAF that is mckenna, only lost the Three Goals to The Bestest Team In The World............ WOW !

The Scots manager has only even been working WITH this lot of players for what then......... ten days or so. AMAZING !
 

ThomasMRFC

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See all the folk blaming PS4's and XBox's... you do realise they have them in Belgium, England, Italy & Holland too right? Absolutely nothing to do with it.
Perhaps but I’d be interested to see s survey for number of hours kids in those country’s play consoles compared to number in Scotland. And then compare to number of hours they play football and see if comparisons can be made.
 

Alistair1980

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Scottish football has hated itself to death we hate them they all hate us also when you dance to the bheasts tune it usually ends up rotten too the very core for a country that lives for football we are mile miles behind another example of this can be found in Bulgaria where corruption at club level has destroyed a once good footballing national team
 

Blue horizon

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See all the folk blaming PS4's and XBox's... you do realise they have them in Belgium, England, Italy & Holland too right? Absolutely nothing to do with it.
Total Rubbish!
Today in this UK kiddies are NOT out there trying to bust a gut to be able to Make it into whatever club side, not a chance. Most kids including my own love computer type games and have no real interest in as said, busting their gut to be able to make their way in football, the HUNGER is not there, unlike in other countries ?
Such as is today's society I am afraid.
 

RenfrewBear72

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Look at our governing body, our refereeing standard, our top league and the shite within it it, and the coaching staff outwith Rangers.

That’ll answer your question.

Beale is easily the most intelligent footballing brain in Scotland, yet, he will never be asked to assist or support with anything outwith Rangers due to the fenianism that has ruined Scotland.
 

GEODGC

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No GEODGC not at all,
'drink and drugs' I mean wtf dude, nor poverty nor that of facilities (?) !

When all 'The Greats' of Scottish football ... were all doing real well and beating most KNOWN European sides and beyond, there were NO 'FACILITIES' as we have these days.
Today unlike yesteryear kids used to, for the most part be playing football after school time unlike now, today's kids are all hooked upon video games.
Today, like it or lump it, our children have it ALL TOO EASY.

Other countries not so and as a RESULT have today, far more HUNGRY kids all wanting to be THE BEST!

...... and yet tonight we had four very Ordinary defenders, crap really if the Truth was to be Told, Two FB's from killie alongside Mulgrew and the young OAF that is mckenna, only lost the Three Goals to The Bestest Team In The World............ WOW !

The Scots manager has only even been working WITH this lot of players for what then......... ten days or so. AMAZING !

I’m only putting forward potential reasons why we are falling behind. You quote a lot of stuff and capitalise a lot. You also shoot down a lot of suggestions as to why our game is so poor. Interesting enough, you don’t offer many solutions.
 

Hammy

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Probably got a fair bit to do with the SFA/tranny army "ach well, we're only Scotland, let's just go and get pished anyway" attitude.
As opposed to ‘let’s throw plastic seats and fight with the police cause we ain’t happy’?

If football fans are spending hundreds of pounds to watch their team they’re entitled to have a good time win, lose or draw IMO.
 

Shawlands_Bluenose

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I think a lot of it is to do with the culture of accepting glorious failure because we're Scotland and its what we do. The Scotland support and the SFA do not place any expectation or demand on the team, so failure has become accepted. The best recent example of this was away to Gibraltar in the Euro 2016 campaign where the team were given a standing ovation after finishing 4th in the group. The show of support motivated Strachan to stay and give it another go when truthfully, he had failed, should have been bagged and the SFA should have went and got someone like Lars Lagerback.

I think a lot of it goes back to Rangers supporters being generally unwelcome at Scotland games and marginalised in the Scotland support. Rangers supporters naturally place demands on their team to achieve results and do not accept failure. Rangers supporters used to make up a decent percentage of the Scotland support but as we all know, their is a fair amount of apathy among the Rangers support to the national team, and I think the team has suffered as a result. The support is now made up of the 'oh well %^*& the result, lets get pished' brigade.
 

Blue horizon

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I’m only putting forward potential reasons why we are falling behind. You quote a lot of stuff and capitalise a lot. You also shoot down a lot of suggestions as to why our game is so poor. Interesting enough, you don’t offer many solutions.
I have NO solutions buddy tbh, none.
 

Blue horizon

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I think a lot of it is to do with the culture of accepting glorious failure because we're Scotland and its what we do. The Scotland support and the SFA do not place any expectation or demand on the team, so failure has become accepted. The best recent example of this was away to Gibraltar in the Euro 2016 campaign where the team were given a standing ovation after finishing 4th in the group. The show of support motivated Strachan to stay and give it another go when truthfully, he had failed, should have been bagged and the SFA should have went and got someone like Lars Lagerback.

I think a lot of it goes back to Rangers supporters being generally unwelcome at Scotland games and marginalised in the Scotland support. Rangers supporters naturally place demands on their team to achieve results and do not accept failure. Rangers supporters used to make up a decent percentage of the Scotland support but as we all know, their is a fair amount of apathy among the Rangers support to the national team, and I think the team has suffered as a result. The support is now made up of the 'oh well %^*& the result, lets get pished' brigade.
Most Agreed
'Tartan Trannies'
 

Blue horizon

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When a country is pish for a while they rip everything up and start again from the bottom

France did it in the 90s
Belgium did it in 2000 or so
Germany around 2000 as well
England in 2008

And they all appear to have reaped rewards.

Probably more examples of countries doing it some on a smaller scale than above.

Scotland appear to be content with keeping the old guard and old methods and its put the country about 20 years behind pretty much every developed nation in Europe. Even when we win we are never convincing unless it’s against countries with the same population as Falkirk
Always remember that THEY Countries which you mentioned are picking from mega thousands MORE then we can.
 

govanite

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Selling off all the football fields , the clique that appears at every turn .There could be a world class footballer somewhere but won't get noticed because the manager don't know the footballers parents The SFA are not fit for purpose.
 

Blue horizon

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Selling off all the football fields , the clique that appears at every turn .There could be a world class footballer somewhere but won't get noticed because the manager don't know the footballers parents The SFA are not fit for purpose.
Always keep in mind this........... LOADS of 'managers' had NO IDEA as to how Great a player young Robertson could become, LOADS.
 

ThomasMRFC

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Plenty of solutions have been named in this thread but none will ever happen because Scottish football is ruled by self interest. From the sfa to the refs to the clubs that won’t change there views. No united front so nothing will get changed. Hatred has killed our game
 

Blue horizon

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It is more About 'Scouting players that can/cou;d cost just buttons' than it is about signing 120 Million Pound players and HOPE that they fit-in.
Fact.
 

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