Belgium are ranked number 1 in the world. Why are Scotland so far behind??

Arkanoid

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I'd discount drink, drugs and poverty as I'm sure Belgium have their own complex social issues.
Hammer throwing thugs who cannot trap a bag of cement, but can run and harry and foul from the likes of Motherwell, Aberdeen and Kilmarnock being lauded is a good starting point.
 

Macdonsj

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Part of it is the mentality

Look at the "poster boys" of the top nations
Skilled players like Hazard, kroos, de Jong, Isco, mbappe etc etc

In Scotland "we" elevate utter shite to godhood as something to admire - we didn't use to, it used to be Cooper, baxter, Johnstone
Now its Brown, Mulgrew, S Fletcher etc
 

spirit_of_93

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I'd discount drink, drugs and poverty as I'm sure Belgium have their own complex social issues.
Hammer throwing thugs who cannot trap a bag of cement, but can run and harry and foul from the likes of Motherwell, Aberdeen and Kilmarnock being lauded is a good starting point.
Plenty more drink and poverty back in the 60s and 70s and Scotland produced numerous outstanding players.
 

simplyzebest

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It's our ridiculous league structure. It doesn't allow young players to be blooded properly. When they are it's a do or die match. Teams fighting for survival or in our case fighting for trophies. It's not rocket science. You just need to look at the demise of players coming through. The last proper batch came from the period when it changed to playing 4 times. Then when they all came to the end of their playing days (around 1998ish) then look at each decades decline in quality. Sure money doesn't help us in our parochial country but the 4 times playing each other is preposterous.
 

VivaGraemeMurty

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It's our ridiculous league structure. It doesn't allow young players to be blooded properly. When they are it's a do or die match. Teams fighting for survival or in our case fighting for trophies. It's not rocket science. You just need to look at the demise of players coming through. The last proper batch came from the period when it changed to playing 4 times. Then when they all came to the end of their playing days (around 1998ish) then look at each decades decline in quality. Sure money doesn't help us in our parochial country but the 4 times playing each other is preposterous.
Belgium has an even more ridiculous league structure than us.
 

Shawlands_Bluenose

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Dick Advocaat was interested in the job.

He has won the UEFA Cup, countless leagues across Europe, managed in the EPL, Bundesliga and coached Holland to the semis of the Euros, not to mention lead a few sides in the World Cup.

The SFA gave the gig to Steve Clarke.
I don't see the SFA going down the foreigner route (well non UK) again because of the Berti debacle.

Personally, they should have went and got Lars Lagerback when he left Iceland after Euro 2016.
 

Maturebear63

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This country is going to end up with the Moldova's, Belarus's of this world. That's about its level.

Reap what you sow.

Every nation who's had failure changes. This one seems incapable.
I think even those counties you mentioned would gub us.
 

Maturebear63

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We used to play with tennis balls at school. There were 50 pitches at 50 pitches - now there are 2.

We used to get the bus to the other side of Glasgow and play for the school then back again to play for the boys club in the afternoon.

We used to go down the 'Pubbie' park every day after school and play 3 and in or Headies.

We used to play in the street - kerbie or cross and score on the gate.

Since my son left home I've not seen a football in this street
Same here fellow Bear. We would play with any ball we would find from a tennis ball, slightly bigger plastic effort, a winfield wind blower from woolworths, a leather bladder up to a Mitre 5. All through the summer from 8 am till getting called in at night. Never seen it happen in many a year. We also used to play a 10/21er on a Sunday on the local schoolpitch nearly 18 a-side sometimes with the age range from about 8 to 40.
 
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Number_9

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As young boys we were told to kick the ball and chase it. At 11 years old I was s formed by st Mirren and later went on to be scouted by Manchester Utd. . The whole setup was completely different. The ball was smaller and we were taught how to control and use skill and make the ball do the work. At 11 in the West of Scotland with a size 5 ball this was impossible. At the age of 13 I won player of the year in a certain tournament where Paul lambert and others were 2 years older than me. Looking back the setup for kids was all wrong in Scotland. We can’t blame weather or the size of our country. The problem was the whole youth setup at the time. And I think that’s why we are way behind now. On a positive note watching managers with young kids now when I come back home is really refreshing and I just wish we had some of the people coaching now back in they days.
You sound as though you had a lot of promise, what was the reason you never made it? (Maybe you did and if you did who are you :) )
 

mark hateley

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Every country has drink/drugs yes but I just don’t see the attitude that Britain has abroad. A good example is when brits go abroad. The locals hate them for there boozy antics. I don’t see that happening when they come here. I don’t think the culture of getting steaming every weekend starting from 16 sometimes earlier exists. They drink yes but not to the level our young player people do

Same for consoles. They have them but are they as important a part of there lives as they seem to be for kids in this country
I have saw a huge sway in our attitude to alcohol. It's been a long time coming.

If you break down your own life, you will find that you only bother or bothered with folk because you drank with them but found something in common also.

Even if you look at the whole getting steaming before a flight attitude, as you say folk tend to in from the Brits abroad.
 

wee bud's pit boots

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Scottish Football has been, and continues to be run like a bowling club committee with jumped up blazers who have little or no experience of the real world at the helm.

Wipe every last one of them out and employee professional administrators with zero self serving interests. Individuals who put the good of the game first as opposed to the good of one team.

Unfortunately turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
As your good self explained to me five years ago with the re-vamp of the league.. When the filth went with the winners of the league losing (and with us being banished, they were absolute shoe-ins) 240k but second place losing 680k, it was win, win, win for them at all roads.

In Scotland, because of an unnatural hatred of our club, the turkeys not only voted for Christmas, they picked their own stuffing as well.

As a support we need to have a turkey shoot, season by season.
 

Hutch42

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Those running our game are not fit for purpose, they are geared towards hindering us and supporting them. The media promote this also, Rangers players booed playing for their Country and nothing said says it all from a media aspect.
 

Zander73

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I did have a lot of promise and it still breaks my dads heart to this day that I chose a different path. I ended up in trouble with the law and chose to get away as a teenager and joined the army. No regrets mate. Apart from I could be a millionaire ;)
 

Blue Goose

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The SFA are the reason. Abject amateurs from top to bottom. I have seen first hand how inept they are at almost everything. They have a real desire to emulate other associations however have a biscuit tin mentality along with jobs for the boys. It's a bowling club committee masquerading as an association.
 

Ambiorix

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Because we have no structured development plan in place.

Everyone knows that we're shite and we have these big periodic investigations into what to do about it - Ernie Walker's think tank, the McLeish report - but then nothing happens. The recommendations are not implemented and the report sits on a shelf gathering dust.

Have the SFA ever explained what steps they took on the basis of the McLesih report and how effective they've been? Have you ever seen an in-depth newspaper article holding the SFA to account on what they have or haven't done? There's been no follow up that I'm aware of.

Sadly our press are stuck in the 70s and would rather spend their day as bigotry mongers than contribute to intelligent debate.
 

Raj Kebab

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1 Physicality being the most important factor of the league.
2 Drink and drugs culture. Players can be talented but 95% will rather be out with there mates chasing girls and drinking to excess rather than working hard at age 16/17
3. Mollycoddling parents not letting kids experience things. Kids being given things without earning them continues into later life and they fall out of love when they arn’t given everything at higher levels
4. Lack of facilities for kids to play on eg school parks being locked after school or weekends forcing kids to play in substandard ash pitches or random patches of grass with no ball games signs
5. Lack of leadership from the top sfa/spfl not fit for purpose
6. Govt worrying about ‘bigger issues’ like independence rather than things like this.
7. Far more distractions with ps4/Xbox. Kids would rather play Fifa than practise

Off the top of my head probs more
Top of any list must be people who care more about protecting their salary and that of their mates, before the good of the game.
 

BrunoseAlves

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A rotten to the core, sectarian driven governing body.

That is the difference.
I do sometimes wonder about the impact this may have. When I was a kid there was an intense rivalry that accommodated intense dislike. My sense is that the Celtic good Rangers bad political and media agenda started to emerge around the same time we stopped producing good players, say the 80's/90's. This has intensified ever since and I do wonder if it has deterred kids that may once have had ambitions to play for Rangers from taking up the game. Combine that with the loss of playing fields, tolerance of plastic pitches, emergence of digital entertainment, absence of role models and an inept governing body and you have a recipe for the continuous decline we see.
 

noucamp72

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One rancid football club and it's army of placemen have driven the game into the ground.

As bad as things are this policy still seems to be a work in progress and shows no signs of stopping.
 

BigDGrant

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The demise of school football plays a big part.Teachers refusing to stay after school etc.Lack of coaches that can teach kids how to trap a ball with 1 touch instead of being told to kick it up the line which i was taught.The difference in on the ball technique even against dross teams like Cyprus.Most continentals just look more comfortable with the ball.It's been that way since you had diddies like Roxburgh and Brown in charge.
 

Johnny Fontane

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Everything is wrong with whole set up. Piss poor facilities, no kids kicking a ball around anymore. They'd rather be on the ipad or PS4, the SFA Dinosaurs, Youth football doesn't seem as prevelant as it used too.

I'm 40 and growing up you had BB football which was thriving. School football then we played with our club's too. Some weekends we played 3 games and 2 most weekends.

That's just the tip of the problem.
Belgians have PS4s too.
 

RFC4ME

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What is the route source of Belgium players?

Are they all Point A raised and coached in Belgium players, is there a correlation between their residency, area they grew up etc and where they are now?

They seem to have quite a scrambled patter re historical coaching rather than a concentrated design.
 

ahalfallover

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The Football world has changed, other country's once poor in rank are now World cup winners and European championship winners .

long gone are the 70s
 

sk1n1873

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I believe it's a difference in coaching from a young age.
A few posters have mentioned it so far,
Should be coaching players more technically.
First touch, control, passing accuracy, getting the head up early, movement off the ball etc.
Also high balls should be banned altogether from a young age, a lump up the park should be a free kick to other team to force players to look for passes and play their way out.
From my own experience growing up in around youth football, yes we do certain drills that help with the above but possibly the information isn't there ie Why are the kids doing certain things.

Maybe if we are shown a drill ie 5 yard passes on the move backwards ad forwards we are explained why the drill is important to teach 1 touch passing etc may have more impact.
I feel we were shown the drill and it was just a case of right lets do the drill but not really knowing what it was to achieve.
 

omegaman

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My experience of kids football is zero technique or tactics, it’s all about working hard and getting stuck in. The coaching for the most part is woeful.
That was certainly my experience growing up in the ‘70s and ‘80s, although to be fair we produced a much better level of footballer then than we do now.

I do remember watching Scotland highlights in those days and being dismayed at how poor our ball control was compared to the continentals, and, it has to be said, the English.

Now that we’ve finally ditched the route one approach (although Clarke may have designs to turn the clock back there) we’re playing catch-up to all the other nations who’ve had decades of a head start on us.
 

Houlet

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In a nutshell, we as a nation are sports watchers not participants. As a youngster we used to play every lunchtime at work and in the public parks in the evenings in spring and summer. It all comes down to numbers of participants not total population numbers, hence the amount of African and South American players.
 

Dave570

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There was a really really really good article in (believe it or not) EasyJet inflight mag about Belgian football. Explained it very well.

It’s basically a whole 20 year project to overhaul grassroots football and the youth game.
Living in Holland for more than 30 years I have been preaching about the grass roots football in the UK for years on football forums. The Dutch have a system where everyone can play football and not just players that are supposed to be good. I will pick out one club from a town near me. If you look at their website you will see under teams how many teams they have for a small town. There are also other clubs in the area but this lets you see how a football club is a community where parents and children are all members of a club and play football. If you are not good enough for the first team then you drop down to a team of your level. That means players can drop down teams and are not kicked out of the club as in Scotland. Maybe they will be good enough next year. Through monthly payments, sponsors and a social club where beer and wine can be served coaches with coaching diploma's can be brought in.
https://www.quick20.nl/
 
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