My dad and I have spoke of this as well, when you listen to the likes of Gough and the 9iar team they talk about not even enjoying winning 9 it was more a feeling of relief due to the pressure surrounding it. Pressure can do funny things to people. They also knew that head to head we had the beating of them. I think 8.5 will eat away at them inside (the more resonable ones)Me and my dad had the same conversation the other night watching helicopter sunday. Yeah its unlikely we would have won it, but you can't just give it up, especially when there was a potential 9 points to gain from a game in hand/2 games v them.