Look, the Gilmour loan deal wont happen. However, even if it did and it denied Lowry some game time, his time will come. This would be about what benefits us the most next season domestically and in europe. Lowry is a fantastic prospect but he isnt at Gilmour's level yet. Or even close.
Billy Gilmour loan.
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I've said on my post that I can't say for sure how he played, but when you're being told he couldn't get a game in spite of the readily available evidence, it's hard to trust that source.
The one place I can actually find player ratings https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/168/Show/England-Norwich
puts Gilmours season right around players like Pukki, McLean, Krul and Max Aarons.
Overall, Norwich were terrible. Gilmour doesn't appear to have been much better or worse than the rest of them.
Blue Steel
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That doesn’t happen mate , listened to plenty of podcasts etc of players , that were great Merson , Sheringham , last one and play down the levels, it’s a team game doesn’t matter who you are . Just be dragged down .
I watched a good number of games he played in , midfield bypassed generally to get to Pukki asap , a horrid choice of club for boy .
Coza
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Literally what I came in to post. His Norwich form should be ignored, they bypassed midfield to feed puki all season. He was never going to look good in that system.
For Gilmour to improve he has to move to a team which dominates the ball. EPL is no use to him if it's a team like Norwich. It appears unlikely that he will come here on loan but if it did happen it would not be at the expense of game time for Lowry - they have totally different styles/roles
JMCK
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People writing off a 20 year old. I've never seen Gilmour, after he left Rangers I have had no interest in him, but writing him off at his age is probably stretching it. I do, however, remember seeing Harry Kane playing for Norwich, and he was round about the same age; no one would have predicted his career from that time.
I think he is a cracking player but I also think our limited resources are required elsewhere because of the type of player he is.
We don't overly need one who performs the role he is best at.
A1bertz
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You're as well saying loaning Gilmour would have a negative impact on Jon McLaughlin. Gilmore and Lowry play in totally different roles / positions.
I don't see how ( if he arrived) that he'd curtail young Lowry's progress.
PMB1872
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If Davis goes it’s one needing replaced right away.
It was said on here at the time that he'd be absolutely wasted in the Norwich midfield.
I don't think anyone should be surprised that it appears to have worked out exactly as predicted
You're Wright...Gilmour is water under the bridge!!
Blue_belle
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Maybe - but I would have thought it more likely he’d say nothing in such a circumstance, rather than come out and rubbish it.
Agreed about loan to buy.
Groundhog
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If he’s got a passport…….I think my sister is hot
Clementime
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tottie beck
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Competition for places
Sir Know it All
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Sheffield United fans told people Lundstram was gash
Aberdeen fans were ready to tell anyone who would listen Jack was sh*te by the time he was coming to us.
Norwich fans have shown themselves to be the 8 finger inbreeds most think them to be if they thought a player like Gilmour was dragging a side with Hanley, McLean and Ben Gibson to a decent season.
Don't ever question the footballing sages of FF, remember John Lundstram was absolutely shit not so long ago, now he's the best on earth.
Euro Scooter
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Anyone claiming a source, who cannot prove to the site admin that they are the player or an official from either club, should be hanged, drawn, quartered and have a picture of their severed testicles shown to the Queen. Who will laugh at them. For being tiny and the wrong shape.
Simply a Bear
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More chance of him signing than Gilmour at this pointWho wants to guess how many "I heard" threads outwith the transfer thread are started over the next month. I will send the winner a Rod Stewart CD
Blue Steel
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And we all see his performances with Scotland also .
Hurleyreyes
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I don't disagree but as it stands we have 3 first choice sitting mids.
I have a feeling Kamara will be sold. Based on nothing but a feeling.
Jacks fitness is still questionable.
What if Gio wants to change things either at the start or during a game and move Lundstram into the back 3.
We could be left with Arfield sitting with maybe McCann.
Vambo Loyal
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It depends on any ongoing midfielders, but I'd prefer to see Lowry getting a chance.
Sir Know it All
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A Steven Davis type player who can dictate tempo and control the game? A player like that is massive TBH, more so in games at home when sides are sitting deep and putting men behind the ball against us.
HandsomeHead
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A return to Rangers on loan is quite possibly the best move for him this summer.
He’s unlikely to feature at Chelsea and will probably move on at the end of his contract, but another bottom half EPL loan may only bring similar results to the way his stint at Norwich panned out.
At Rangers he’ll see a lot more of the ball for starters as well as playing in a side challenging for silverware that’s guaranteed European football all of which will only enhance his Scotland prospects.
Money aside, it’s a good move for both parties, but one that’s unlikely to actually happen.
He’s unlikely to feature at Chelsea and will probably move on at the end of his contract, but another bottom half EPL loan may only bring similar results to the way his stint at Norwich panned out.
At Rangers he’ll see a lot more of the ball for starters as well as playing in a side challenging for silverware that’s guaranteed European football all of which will only enhance his Scotland prospects.
Money aside, it’s a good move for both parties, but one that’s unlikely to actually happen.
Saturnblue
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Reading on Norwich forums they are very unhappy with his performances this season.
The counterargument is he was playing alongside low quality players.
The counterargument is he was playing alongside low quality players.
Alex Venters
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Gilmour and Lowry are two entirely different players. If, and it's a big if,we do sign Gilmour it would have no direct effect on Lowry making the starting line-up.
I suspect though that Chelsea will be looking to sell Gilmour this summer and that there will be clubs with greater resources than Rangers prepared to meet the asking price.
The ideal scenario would be a season long loan and then signing the boy next year but that won't be allowed to happen.
Agree. The only way he comes to us on loan would be in Chelsea gave him a new deal first. Its a non starter.
tazzabear
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He’ll make a good sub?
Cambuslangger
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Interesting to see what value they put on him. Personally I would love to see him in our Midfield. His levels for Scotland suggest to me he is ready and of the quality required.
Blue Steel
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He’s only 20 and will want to sign another deal , and so will Chelsea imo . had another crack at a loan and they have him a longer term deal if then he’s sold or kept . But atm he goes nowhere until it’s sorted .
Belfastblue85
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Sure the same was said about Shagger and Davo..nuts
Captain_Buns
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Source PM’d to admin for verification of course?
Agree about the Sheffield Utd fans but, not Jack. They were beeling he left, especially for us. Think you are confusing that one with a lot of Rangers fans tbh mate. He was massively written off, particularly on here.
That in itself helps prove your point though. I'm surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) people are turning their nose up at Gilmour based on a season at Norwich.
Alex Venters
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He'd be great for us.
Can't see it unfortunately.
The Goal Machine
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This is a no brainier for me, he would not hinder Lowry different type of midfield player, he is a class act and Rangers would re ignite him. So here’s hoping.
queensferrybear
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I am not "in the know" by any stretch, but i was told by a mate who knows someone within the club that we have inquired about a loan move. .
Whether that comes to fruition or not is a different matter, but by the looks of things Rangers are interested.
For me it's a no brainer if it can be a goer, ignore Norwich, they are dung, messi wouldnt have saved them this season.
we are most likely losing Davis, and maybe a Kamara if a bit comes in, He has the quality to fill those spaces without question.
I can imagine us having Gilmour and Aribo/ Lowry in a team together, no-one would get the ball of us if that isn't exciting for you then your past help.
Whether that comes to fruition or not is a different matter, but by the looks of things Rangers are interested.
For me it's a no brainer if it can be a goer, ignore Norwich, they are dung, messi wouldnt have saved them this season.
we are most likely losing Davis, and maybe a Kamara if a bit comes in, He has the quality to fill those spaces without question.
I can imagine us having Gilmour and Aribo/ Lowry in a team together, no-one would get the ball of us if that isn't exciting for you then your past help.
Aye. Norwich's problem was they signed him with the aspiration that they'd get safe by playing nice football. Then they quickly realised that, Gilmour apart, their defence and keeper couldn't build possession up under the higher press in the Premier League. So they had to abandon that strategy and play more direct, which made Gilmour largely redundant.
Dalmuirbear
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Regardless if he is or isn’t coming to Rangers anyone that uses his assist tally at Norwich as some form of barometer of his talent clearly has painted on eyes.
The boy is and will prove to be an extremely talented footballer.
The boy is and will prove to be an extremely talented footballer.
Grouse
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Watched him for Scotland and I would say yes he absolutely does have that ability. A bit like Lowry in that he always looks for the positive pass.
IF he were to come to us it would be a very exciting signing IMO
rangersno.1
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Why do people keep mentioning Lowry he plays in a completely different role to gilmour.
He’s made his bed types were probably saying the same about McGregor coming back. And Davis. Then rapturously applauding them on Saturday
I’d suggest their initial departures were far more acrimonious than Gilmour’s
