Bisgrove leading the managerial search

Detective Vic Mackey said:
I think he’ll see Lampard as a big name that will bring boost the clubs profile and give similar commercial opportunities that Gerrard brought.

I think he’ll believe the support would respond to the profile of Lampard.

I think he’ll value Lampard’s EPL experience way more than he should.

I think he’ll think that Gerrard was a similar appointment and will think that worked.

I think the fact Lampard is available without compensation and (according to reports) Is keen on the job will be a big plus point.
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If its Lampard and it doesn't start well.....he won't see the season out...an absolute potential disaster of an appointment.
 
It’s not uncommon for people to recruit people into jobs they know relatively little about - he will have input and an evaluation process.

Being a ‘football man’ doesn’t mean much in this process in my opinion - who recruited De Zerbi to Brighton?

Having said that - I still can’t be arsed with the whole process it’s depressing.
 
AyrshireNoSurrender said:
It’s not uncommon for people to recruit people into jobs they know relatively little about - he will have input and an evaluation process.

Being a ‘football man’ doesn’t mean much in this process in my opinion - who recruited De Zerbi to Brighton?

Having said that - I still can’t be arsed with the whole process it’s depressing.
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I would love to know the evaluation process and how its scored( if it is) :D
 
Maybe I’m too much impressed by Bisgrove
But I think he will be thorough in this recruitment process
He must know it’s vital to our club going forward he gets it right
 
Hipster Dashie said:
The board incudes all the directors in a normal company. So he was part of that decision. Being a director is a serious responsibility to all shareholders. That is why key decisions are made by the board, including all the directors.
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Bisgrove wasn’t on the board. And I’m sure you understand that not all board decisions are unanimous. Power mainly rests with the Chairman especially when he held more shares than any other director. So, I’m still wondering why both are being blamed.
 
My tuppence-worth about Rangers’ next manager, if anyone’s interested, is that the following criteria matter: 1) he must have experience of managing elite footballers (unlike Beale); 2) he must have a track record of some success (unlike Lampard); and 3) he must be a driven winner (unlike, arguably, van Bronckhorst).

Things that don’t matter - one way or the other - are whether he’s managed in Scotland, and whether he has any past connection to Rangers.

I applied similar forensic tests before the Gerrard appointment (my post can doubtless be found), but I must admit, once it became clear it was Gerrard, and he didn’t meet most of my criteria, I immediately recognised he was the right appointment after all - at that time.

A Gerrard-type appointment - a globally recognised player but an unproven manager - won’t work this time. And copycat appointments rarely work either: Muscat would be as much a Poundshop Postecoglou as Liam Brady was a Cheapskate Souness.

I don’t know who meets all my criteria - and most candidates who do will be out of Rangers’ reach. But I’ve seen plenty of names I’d never heard of bandied about, and one stood out for me: Philippe Clement. The triple-league winning Belgian had a character-forming setback at Monaco, which makes him available and could be what means he would work.
 
WillowBear said:
Out of interest why do you think you are in the minority ?
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I think it's clear to see when reading threads when Lampards name is mentioned there's many against it, however I think he'd be affordable for us and IMO would be a better appointment for us than the likes of Muscat or McInnes.
 
I'm not convinced that Bisgrove has any more idea of who would be a good fit for the job than your average FF punter.

Hopefully he is being very well advised on this.
 
GBY74 said:
I think it's clear to see when reading threads when Lampards name is mentioned there's many against it, however I think he'd be affordable for us and IMO would be a better appointment for us than the likes of Muscat or McInnes.
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Lampard has been a total failure as a manager. Just does not have what it takes. Been proven over and over. Not going to suddenly come good.
 
The truth is we don’t have anyone on the board that understands the football side of things, that is why we should have already brought in a DOF
 
academical said:
My tuppence-worth about Rangers’ next manager, if anyone’s interested, is that the following criteria matter: 1) he must have experience of managing elite footballers (unlike Beale); 2) he must have a track record of some success (unlike Lampard); and 3) he must be a driven winner (unlike, arguably, van Bronckhorst).

Things that don’t matter - one way or the other - are whether he’s managed in Scotland, and whether he has any past connection to Rangers.

I applied similar forensic tests before the Gerrard appointment (my post can doubtless be found), but I must admit, once it became clear it was Gerrard, and he didn’t meet most of my criteria, I immediately recognised he was the right appointment after all - at that time.

A Gerrard-type appointment - a globally recognised player but an unproven manager - won’t work this time. And copycat appointments rarely work either: Muscat would be as much a Poundshop Postecoglou as Liam Brady was a Cheapskate Souness.

I don’t know who meets all my criteria - and most candidates who do will be out of Rangers’ reach. But I’ve seen plenty of names I’d never heard of bandied about, and one stood out for me: Philippe Clement. The triple-league winning Belgian had a character-forming setback at Monaco, which makes him available and could be what means he would work.
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As you say timing is everything especially with Gerrard and maybe its right for Clement ?
 
GBY74 said:
He did well at Chelsea when under a transfer embargo and the only manager that has done well at Chelsea since is Tuchel.

Everton are a mess of a club and he did very well keeping them up.
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Look at his record at Derby. Got them nearly there and bottled the big game. At Chelsea he had a really good squad of very talented players. Any one of us could have strung a few wins together. At Everton he did very little and was sacked in under a year. Saving them form relegation was some sort of achievement but he couldn't kick on an make noticeable improvement in what was a decent squad of players.

there is nothing in that to say he has one big games as a manager or has any credentials that would make him suitable for a club like ours.
 
academical said:
My tuppence-worth about Rangers’ next manager, if anyone’s interested, is that the following criteria matter: 1) he must have experience of managing elite footballers (unlike Beale); 2) he must have a track record of some success (unlike Lampard); and 3) he must be a driven winner (unlike, arguably, van Bronckhorst).

Things that don’t matter - one way or the other - are whether he’s managed in Scotland, and whether he has any past connection to Rangers.

I applied similar forensic tests before the Gerrard appointment (my post can doubtless be found), but I must admit, once it became clear it was Gerrard, and he didn’t meet most of my criteria, I immediately recognised he was the right appointment after all - at that time.

A Gerrard-type appointment - a globally recognised player but an unproven manager - won’t work this time. And copycat appointments rarely work either: Muscat would be as much a Poundshop Postecoglou as Liam Brady was a Cheapskate Souness.

I don’t know who meets all my criteria - and most candidates who do will be out of Rangers’ reach. But I’ve seen plenty of names I’d never heard of bandied about, and one stood out for me: Philippe Clement. The triple-league winning Belgian had a character-forming setback at Monaco, which makes him available and could be what means he would work.
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Hopefully Bisgrove can go and get Gerrard however I doubt very much he'll do that as it would not be affordable.
 
Detective Vic Mackey said:
No we don’t. We do have a support who seem to be horrified that said CEO seems to be interested in appointing Frank Lampard.
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Do you know he wants to do that,?

How much of the support are horrified if he did?

We seem to have an Internet noise, that doesn't want a project (no idea what that means) but thinks we can't afford anyone experienced.

It says it all to me. We are the best of fans at times and also the absolute worst at others. We, like the board, are grasping at straws
 
Hipster Dashie said:
Look at his record at Derby. Got them nearly there and bottled the big game. At Chelsea he had a really good squad of very talented players. Any one of us could have strung a few wins together. At Everton he did very little and was sacked in under a year. Saving them form relegation was some sort of achievement but he couldn't kick on an make noticeable improvement in what was a decent squad of players.

there is nothing in that to say he has one big games as a manager or has any credentials that would make him suitable for a club like ours.
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Benitez and Ancelotti couldn't get a tune out of Everton. Chelski have been pissing through managers like nobody's business. Sometimes people just take the wrong job at the wrong time.

I don't want Lampard btw. Just think people are forgetting how hard these jobs were when he took them.
 
HamiltonBear said:
Benitez and Ancelotti couldn't get a tune out of Everton. Chelski have been pissing through managers like nobody's business. Sometimes people just take the wrong job at the wrong time.

I don't want Lampard btw. Just think people are forgetting how hard these jobs were when he took them.
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I’m not sure our job would be any easier. Whoever the next manager is will be judged against one club, and that club has far more cash than us, and a stronger starting position.
 
FollowNearAndFar said:
Not to mention his Derby squad consisted of Harry Wilson, Mason Mount & Tomori who's now starting for AC Milan.

It really was some feat finishing 6th. Pat on the back for lampard.
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To be totally fair, I don’t think those 3 players were anywhere near the finished articles they are now. David Beckham played for Preston, nobody expected them to do much more than mid table. Didn’t James Maddison struggle for a game at Aberdeen?
 
WearsideGallantFew said:
when are we going to start acting like every other fucking club in Europe and appoint a proper director of football and a proper head of recruitment?

We'll be back to square one in 12-18 months if Bisgrove is leading the search.
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We’ve had them. They’ve been shit
 
Maida Vale Bear said:
As Bisgrove is involved in this process for the first time and given his background, there’s more anecdotal evidence to suggest a professional search than there is to the contrary.
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True.I would sincerely hope so.
But I have a marketing background, and I understand the mindset, where Bisgrove may feel, that a more attractive proposition to the support.Would be a 'flashier' name.Than shall we say a 'safe pair of hands'.
And how many times just because someone 'bats their eyes' at our support, have these individuals suddenly appeared at our club?
Prime example Beale.

Bisgrove made a massive error, in putting forward the notion of the Sydney debacle.
One which could have cost the club a lot of prestige, and money after backing out.
Now commercially he has made the club a lot of money on the marketing side.
Which proves he can do this type of job well.
But because he his adept at marketing does not suddenly make him an expert in the day to day running of a football club.

I'm sorry but if Souness is sounding off alarm bells after talking to Bisgrove, and discovering what the plans are going forward.Under his watch.
Then that's good enough for me.
 
That’s fine James, just make sure you have a bullshit smeller in the room with you when you do the interviews.
 
The People said:
I just think the man knows how to make money
And must know this appointment must be right to continue that
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Exactly!
He knows how to make money on the marketing side.
But that doesn't make him an expert in the day to day running of a football club.
Which a different set of skills is needed.

Once again we go down the route of employing a novice in a very important position.
Why??
How does he merit this??
 
Detective Vic Mackey said:
I think he’ll see Lampard as a big name that will boost the clubs profile and give similar commercial opportunities that Gerrard brought.

I think he’ll believe the support would respond to the profile of Lampard.

I think he’ll value Lampard’s EPL experience way more than he should.

I think he’ll think that Gerrard was a similar appointment and will think that worked.

I think the fact Lampard is available without compensation and (according to reports) Is keen on the job will be a big plus point.
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Fair enough. I hope you are totally wrong.
 
I fear this site is becoming a parody of itself now. Of course the CEO is going to be heavily involved in recruiting the new manager, have a word with yourselves.
 
HamiltonBear said:
Eh? Is this because some on the forum are guessing it's Lampard?
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No. Every job he's had has been based on commerce, marketing and sponsorships. He has zero football experience. He may have worked with UEFA and other football clubs loosely, but it was purely on the financial side of things according to his CV.

Even though there's been some hiccups (Sportemon Go sponsor) I've no doubt the guy has done a good job in increasing our revenues. That does not make someone fit to choose the next Rangers manager though.
 
Laudrup11Cooper said:
True.I would sincerely hope so.
But I have a marketing background, and I understand the mindset, where Bisgrove may feel, that a more attractive proposition to the support.Would be a 'flashier' name.Than shall we say a 'safe pair of hands'.
And how many times just because someone 'bats their eyes' at our support, have these individuals suddenly appeared at our club?
Prime example Beale.

Bisgrove made a massive error, in putting forward the notion of the Sydney debacle.
One which could have cost the club a lot of prestige, and money after backing out.
Now commercially he has made the club a lot of money on the marketing side.
Which proves he can do this type of job well.
But because he his adept at marketing does not suddenly make him an expert in the day to day running of a football club.

I'm sorry but if Souness is sounding off alarm bells after talking to Bisgrove, and discovering what the plans are going forward.Under his watch.
Then that's good enough for me.
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I have a lot of marketing experience too and have also ran my own business for years but Bisgrove’s so called marketing successes that you allude too were from a very low base.

He really would needed to have been a hopeless marketeer not to have made the Club money in the few years after he joined the Club.

The problem now though is that he is the CEO which requires a very different skillset to what he did before and it doesn’t bode well.
 
Hipster Dashie said:
Look at his record at Derby. Got them nearly there and bottled the big game. At Chelsea he had a really good squad of very talented players. Any one of us could have strung a few wins together. At Everton he did very little and was sacked in under a year. Saving them form relegation was some sort of achievement but he couldn't kick on an make noticeable improvement in what was a decent squad of players.

there is nothing in that to say he has one big games as a manager or has any credentials that would make him suitable for a club like ours.
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I don’t get the obsession with those that don’t want Lampard to slate every period of his managerial career in an over the top manner.

At Derby he did well in my view, particularly given it was his first job. Transfer fees he brought in a bit more than he spent. Got them into play offs, beat Bielsa’s Leeds over two legs, lost to a very strong Villa side with Grealish and McGinn in final. Ridiculous to summarise that as ‘bottling’ the big game as if Derby had some god given right to be promoted that season.

At Chelsea anyone could ‘string a few wins together’. Tell that to Mourinho in his third season in his second spell at Chelsea when they were looking like relegation candidates before his sacking, Graham Potter, Pochettinho. Lampard took over when there was a transfer ban and still got top 4. Second season he struggled but Chelsea is a big job and most of the managers on our list will never get such a job or would just not cope. They were 9th when he left, I think 5 points off top 4, it was not the disaster spell of Mourinho second spell season 3 or Potter or Pochettinho so far this season.

At Everton he was tasked to keep them up and he did it. Second season he really struggled. But Everton are a basket case…Benitez struggled, Ancelloti struggled and now Dyche is struggling. On reflection it’s probably a job he should have avoided but it’s all good experience.

I don’t see why a guy with a high level winning mentality, that has shown some signs of promise in each of his clubs as manager and has put himself out there in two of the most testing environments in football in Chelsea and Everton that he’ll have learnt a lot from even at the worst moments…is so much worse than some of these other guys that have no experience outwith countries such as Norway, Australia, Belgium, Japan or just have no experience at all playing or managing in British football.

Every candidate on our list is flawed. Some of our greatest Rangers managers were great with us and largely mediocre or failed elsewhere. The right man for us won’t necessarily be the guy with the right CV, often the character of the man being the right fit for Rangers is top of the list historically when we’ve been successful.
 
Please not Lampard ,this may be the most important appointment in our history .
Even if we have to go to the end of the season with a caretaker ,its preferable than jumping in to get someone in for the sake of it .
I think that Davis will do well and we will win the League cup
 
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