Budge out on a limb at 10.00am tomorrow

Arkyblue

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Why would the Championship clubs vote to save the watery farts. If they’re doing well they will take maybe 6000 to places like Dunfermline , Dundee and Raith Rovers. Bye Bye Hearts
 

Valley Bluenose

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mate you must be fed up quoting this I 100% understand but look at their quote

On top of that, they will also need a combined total of 75 per cent of clubs from across the Premiership and Championship - that’s 16 out of 22 clubs - to take their side.

Where are they getting this part from combined. As the article reads 75% of the championship.

ie they need 11 premierships and 8 championship = 19 clubs from 22 for 11/1 vote in premier

or
they need 9 premierships and 8 championship = 17 clubs from 22 for 75% vote in premier
Got you now mate, I missed that bit. Basically, that is bullshit. Bullshit on a par with much of the reporting of what was required on the Rangers Resolution. Regardless of whether it’s a Qualified Resolution (requiring 90% support in the Premiership) OR a Members Resolution (requiring 75% support in the Premiership) the remaining votes stay the same. It’s 75% approval in the Championship and 75% approval from the combined League 1/2 clubs.

We’ve always known the media play fast and loose in order to show our Club in a bad light but the last few weeks has also shown that they are just not very good at their job. They get even the simplest of facts incorrect. 15 minutes reading the SPFL Articles - and I know you’ve done that yourself - makes it clear what the voting requirements are. That report about a combined figure for Premiership/Championship is incorrect.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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Got you now mate, I missed that bit. Basically, that is bullshit. Bullshit on a par with much of the reporting of what was required on the Rangers Resolution. Regardless of whether it’s a Qualified Resolution (requiring 90% support in the Premiership) OR a Members Resolution (requiring 75% support in the Premiership) the remaining votes stay the same. It’s 75% approval in the Championship and 75% approval from the combined League 1/2 clubs.

We’ve always known the media play fast and loose in order to show our Club in a bad light but the last few weeks has also shown that they are just not very good at their job. They get even the simplest of facts incorrect. 15 minutes reading the SPFL Articles - and I know you’ve done that yourself - makes it clear what the voting requirements are. That report about a combined figure for Premiership/Championship is incorrect.
I have read another journalist write this also. And I have read chairman who seems they dont understand their own member's rules. Not the first time audio clips have chairman asking the reporter for confirmation. So many writing false information just confuses everyone. I am sure I read this nonsense on the BBC but not go the time to trawl through it.

Just to add to this, even if the combined was true, they still cant even count. As you cant get 0.5 a club so it goes up to 17. (75% of 22).
 
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Pandamonium

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Courts are running.

We have satellite courts currently (one court running an area rather than several).

Civil action etc are only allowed if Interdicts, Anti-social behavior orders etc are in the action and its for the safe guard of the pursuer.

The courts indicate to start up from next week, with this week having a relaxation in more cases.

However this can change depending on Scottish Government rules.

Getting an interdict would be very difficult for any of the teams as the courts would not see it as an urgent matter, but with the coming weeks we could see action being raised if a team wants it.
 

Valley Bluenose

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I have read another journalist write this also. And I have read chairman who seems they dont understand their own member's rules. Not the first time audio clips have chairman asking the reporter for confirmation. So many writing false information just confuses everyone. I am sure I read this nonsense on the BBC but not go the time to trawl through it.
Its just shoddy, shoddy reporting. For example, this bit:

"Across all four divisions Hearts would need to secure the support of 32 of Scotland’s 42 clubs."

More bollocks. They could have all 20 clubs in League 1/2 vote for a proposal, plus all 10 in the Championship plus 2 in the Premiership to give them 32 out of 42 clubs. The Resolution still fails.

The voting requirements are as I've described them. No alteration to the 42 club total and no change in prize money distribution = 75% in each of the three voting blocks. Anything other than that requires 90% approval from the Premiership and 75% approval in the other two voting blocks.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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Its just shoddy, shoddy reporting. For example, this bit:

"Across all four divisions Hearts would need to secure the support of 32 of Scotland’s 42 clubs."

More bollocks. They could have all 20 clubs in League 1/2 vote for a proposal, plus all 10 in the Championship plus 2 in the Premiership to give them 32 out of 42 clubs. The Resolution still fails.

The voting requirements are as I've described them. No alteration to the 42 club total and no change in prize money distribution = 75% in each of the three voting blocks. Anything other than that requires 90% approval from the Premiership and 75% approval in the other two voting blocks.
yep if adding teams or changing money allocation then 40 clubs voting for out of the 42 could see it fail if the 2 are in the premier.
 

Virgil Hilts

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The media tea and sympathy narrative for Hearts since last week, and the silence from the SPFL who could have nipped this nonsense in the bud, could well be the sign for this nonsense to be allowed. In effect, it looks like a null and void season with no relegation, but with the corruption of handing that mob a League title.
Choreographed to perfection.

IF Rangers have 28 days to vote, take the 28 days.
 

rupertdabear

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if they had any balls at all the would go the court route straight off and expose the sham spfl big wigs but no one cares about cheating refs,vote fixing,bribery,bullying and the like .
only thing they care about is themselves ,not scottish football as a whole so I have no sympathy at all for them .all quiet content to boot us down the leagues in 2012 and more than content now as well to accept the fixing of the title ,as long as they stayed up .
if her super duper plan is shot down(heres hoping :)) ) ,it will be interesting to see if she has the stomach for real action rather than the constant pleading of save us save us it's not fair that we've heard from them over the last couple of weeks .reap what you sow tarts
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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if they had any balls at all the would go the court route straight off and expose the sham spfl big wigs but no one cares about cheating refs,vote fixing,bribery,bullying and the like .
only thing they care about is themselves ,not scottish football as a whole so I have no sympathy at all for them .all quiet content to boot us down the leagues in 2012 and more than content now as well to accept the fixing of the title ,as long as they stayed up .
if her super duper plan is shot down(heres hoping :)) ) ,it will be interesting to see if she has the stomach for real action rather than the constant pleading of save us save us it's not fair that we've heard from them over the last couple of weeks .reap what you sow tarts
Forget the corrupt vote. If Dundee really wanting reconstruction then they would have voted no. And said they would only vote yes if reconstruction was part of the next vote. Why they voted yes shows they were doing so for another reason.

Same with Hearts, if they wanted to stay in the premiership they would have went legal and got a forensic audit on the dundee vote. What they are doing now is similar to what I believe Dundee got. Waiting for some kind of reward for accepting corruption.
 

Ardoyne RSC

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I am not a vindictive person, but for years I have listened to Watery Farts singing and laughing about Huns, Sevco, Yer team's deid etc, and I have now lost all sympathy for a club I once respected.
Now it appears Doncaster must be hung like a donkey as well as looking like one. Budge touched her toes for him, and he paid her with a rubber cheque. Now she wants to go back for another one and to join the Corruption Club. Well, phuck her and all who sail in her.
 

Gloucester Bear

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The media tea and sympathy narrative for Hearts since last week, and the silence from the SPFL who could have nipped this nonsense in the bud, could well be the sign for this nonsense to be allowed. In effect, it looks like a null and void season with no relegation, but with the corruption of handing that mob a League title.
For the first vote the narrative from the press was each club has to do the best for themselves and self interest is what counts - now that celtic and the spfl got what they wanted out of that-everyone is now being told we must think of the greater good of Scottish football and help each other out - shameless
 

Coplandbear

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There wasting valuable time here imo they should have went straight down the legal route the moment the league was called.

Reconstruction will never happen it's a smokescreen tactic.
 

bearspakora

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For the first vote the narrative from the press was each club has to do the best for themselves and self interest is what counts - now that celtic and the spfl got what they wanted out of that-everyone is now being told we must think of the greater good of Scottish football and help each other out - shameless
Exactly. It is corruption personified.
 

54ncounting

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Fair enough they don’t deserve it much like Timmy being awarded a league they don’t deserve.With that in mind why did she shit it?They were promised league reconstruction they led the talks a blind man could see it was not going to pass.Was she that stupid?
Agree mate - but this stitch up has always had enough voting power to carry it through, so even if she stood her ground she couldn't muster the support to swing the decision. Her only option is to go legal and always was, but it would need the likes of Thistle and Stranraer to back them up.
 

Grant K

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Forget the corrupt vote. If Dundee really wanting reconstruction then they would have voted no. And said they would only vote yes if reconstruction was part of the next vote. Why they voted yes shows they were doing so for another reason.

Same with Hearts, if they wanted to stay in the premiership they would have went legal and got a forensic audit on the dundee vote. What they are doing now is similar to what I believe Dundee got. Waiting for some kind of reward for accepting corruption.
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Dundee were allowed/encouraged to play the game with a carrot dangled. Quite what that carrot was may never be clearly established. What is clear however is there was one club, who if they had a clear conscience, would have been demanding an independent review of the vote process.
 

The Crimson King

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I don't quite believe Budge is a stupid person. She's clearly had success is her business dealings outside of Hearts and good on her for that.

I do, however, think that she is far too naive and trusting for the arena she now finds herself in. Time and time again she falls for the carrot dangled in front of her, taking the SPFL at face value when they've already proven that's a mistake, and never seems to learn. They are leading her another merry dance, and will allow her to believe salvation is possible just long enough to put off legal action, at which point oh no, it looks like talks have collapsed again. What a surprise!

I'm very glad to have Douglas Park and co in charge right now, who have shown that whatever else, they aren't going to dangle on Peter's strings.
 

Timardim

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She's going to need her lawyer's number on speed-dial I think.

Ann Budge could be left marooned on Monday as she battles to save Hearts from the catastrophic consequences of relegation.

The Tynecastle owner will take part in a 10am conference call with nine other Championship clubs to discuss whether or not Scotland’s second tier might be able to get up and running next season behind closed doors after being shut down by the coronavirus crisis.

Budge hopes to persuade them that the game can be re-started without fans but Record Sport understands the majority of those clubs are already convinced they cannot afford to play games until the government has given the green light for supporters to return to stadia.

That will ramp up the urgency of Budge’s attempts to reconstruct the SPFL and her proposal for a new look set up is also expected to be circulated around all of Scotland’s 42 clubs today.

As we revealed on Saturday, a number of sympathetic top flight clubs have privately pledged to support Budge’s proposals and vote to keep Hearts in an extended Premiership.

But we have also learned that the odds are stacking up heavily against the chances of any emergency reconstruction getting off the ground with one club chairman telling us: “It’s not a vote Ann needs - it’s more like a miracle.”

Any plan which proposes changes to the current payment structure to clubs in a new look league will require almost universal support, including 11 out of 12 top flight clubs.

And it’s almost certain that any attempt to restructure the top division without amending those payments would be doomed to fail from the start.

One source explained: “The prize money due to the club finishing 12th in Premiership is a great deal more than it would be for a club finishing in 14th place. In principle, who is going to vote for a reconstruction which could potentially see their own income fall?

“That’s why the payment amounts would almost certainly have to change if Hearts are to have any chance of getting this proposal through. The trouble is when the payments change, so too does the threshold of votes required.”

It is likely then that Hearts will need 11 top flight clubs to back Budge’s plan, even though six of them ganged up earlier this month to scupper previous reconstruction talks.

On top of that, they will also need a combined total of 75 per cent of clubs from across the Premiership and Championship - that’s 16 out of 22 clubs - to take their side.

Across all four divisions Hearts would need to secure the support of 32 of Scotland’s 42 clubs.
Scottish football is full of self centred back stabbing tarrier bastards
 

Mason Boyne

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Are you sure about that.
Yes , we have our poker face on and have a Royal Flush but our problem is no one wants to play.
I mean what do Killie, StJohnstone, St Mirren, Hamilton etc get out of the game? They’re all happy to plod on. Corruption in the game doesn’t matter to them. No one else out with us and the taigs are going to win the league.
There is no appetite to upset the status quo.
 

EH47

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Aye United gaffer on Sky News pouring cold water on Ann Budge's proposal and a few other alternatives.
Seemed to suggest all other championship clubs were in agreement with him.
Sounds very much like he sees the status quo as prevailing.
C'mon Budgie, time to lawyer up if he is right.
 

Virgil Hilts

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Courts are running.

We have satellite courts currently (one court running an area rather than several).

Civil action etc are only allowed if Interdicts, Anti-social behavior orders etc are in the action and its for the safe guard of the pursuer.

The courts indicate to start up from next week, with this week having a relaxation in more cases.

However this can change depending on Scottish Government rules.

Getting an interdict would be very difficult for any of the teams as the courts would not see it as an urgent matter, but with the coming weeks we could see action being raised if a team wants it.
If the potential claim is estimated to have a £100k + sum contested Ithink that The Court Of Session would adjudicate on the Interim Interdict.
 

temperance

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Its just shoddy, shoddy reporting. For example, this bit:

"Across all four divisions Hearts would need to secure the support of 32 of Scotland’s 42 clubs."

More bollocks. They could have all 20 clubs in League 1/2 vote for a proposal, plus all 10 in the Championship plus 2 in the Premiership to give them 32 out of 42 clubs. The Resolution still fails.

The voting requirements are as I've described them. No alteration to the 42 club total and no change in prize money distribution = 75% in each of the three voting blocks. Anything other than that requires 90% approval from the Premiership and 75% approval in the other two voting blocks.
They could get 100% of the 2 lower voting blocks and get 8 out of 12 from the Prem which equals 38 out of 42 and still fail.
 

Gmcg95

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I cannot for the life of me understand why clubs aren’t trying to set up streaming services for their games.

I’ve seen several lower division leagues inEurope plan to do this. Again reeks of a typical Scottish lack of ambition/effort.

Surely any fan would pay a slightly reduced fee from a match ticket to watch the game online to support their clubs in this time of need?
 

Buzzbear

Member
Rumours in one of the rags tonight saying a 16 team league might be on the cards with a top 6 and bottom 10 split.

Guess now we now know what Dundee were bribed with to change their vote.

They aren’t even trying to hide how corrupt they are.
Forget about voting structures and combinations the only vote that counts is Sky. Any reconstruction that waters down guaranteed 4 old firm per season would come at a huge financial cost.
 
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