Can we stop talking about ‘the board’?

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Halek

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Am I a lone voice? It’s doing my head in.

Our board have fucked up for many years. Since Seville. And in many areas, before then. I’m a massive critic.

However. They have employed a new CEO and appointed a new chairman.

These two people essentially run the club, the business and are responsible for delivering success.

The change has been made. We need to see how it plays out.

Have I missed something ?

Every corner of our online support are talking about ‘the board’ leaving/selling. Demanding action. But the action has been taken.

Am I being thick?
 
Me too, mate.

A lot of people moaning about ‘the board’ would struggle to tell you who is on the boards, and never specify which board they are talking about.

They also fail to acknowledge the changes you refer too, plus the new technical director (you can disagree with it but it’s far too early to assess the impact).
 
The fact of the matter is that we need to sort out the cash flow of the club. A 17m loss is unacceptable but the board have green lit shit transfer after shit transfer and that’s on them. That’s the reason we are in the mess we are in. Added to the Copland fiasco quite frankly thanks for what they’ve done in the past, but time is up.
 
PaxBritannica said:
The fact of the matter is that we need to sort out the cash flow of the club. A 17m loss is unacceptable but the board have green lit shit transfer after shit transfer and that’s on them. That’s the reason we are in the mess we are in. Added to the Copland fiasco quite frankly thanks for what they’ve done in the past, but time is up.
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There’s that phrase again. ‘The board’.

They’ve hired people to run the club. What more do you want?
 
Big Joke New said:
It doesn't work that way in football. Major decisions need to be run by/approved by the Board.

Particularly when the Board are major shareholders

The idea the CEO is responsible for the major decisions is nonsense
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Of course that’s what happens. That’s the CEO’s position. Jeez. Do you think you agree to taking a ceo position when you are a puppet on a string. That doesn’t happen
 
*Who hired Beale? The board will have had a say.
*Who promoted Bisgrove to a role he was out his depth in? The board.
*Who hired Clement? The board will have had a say.
*Who sanctioned the stadium improvements?
*Who recruited a poet to be employed by our Club?

You think the Board wouldn't have sanctioned or had a say in any of this?

And to then say "they've now recruited a stellar name and filled the Chairman's slot".

It has been shite for donkeys.
 
Halek said:
Am I a lone voice? It’s doing my head in.

Our board have fucked up for many years. Since Seville. And in many areas, before then. I’m a massive critic.

However. They have employed a new CEO and appointed a new chairman.

These two people essentially run the club, the business and are responsible for delivering success.

The change has been made. We need to see how it plays out.

Have I missed something ?

Every corner of our online support are talking about ‘the board’ leaving/selling. Demanding action. But the action has been taken.

Am I being thick?
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Are you suggesting the board wouldn’t be involved if we decide to sack him?

It will be the board who will need to pony up the cash in order for it to happen. Stewart may recommend it but he’ll need board approval because there is no money to do so without their backing.
 
I know the board have made many mistakes and aren't perfect. I'm not defending them in any way, but without the funds 'the board' have poured into the club over recent years where would that cash have come from? £110m they have put in. Because they had to. The club loses money in huge sums year on year. It's not all because of bad management or a few bad transfers. But they put the money in to plug the gap.
 
Stewart is a paid employee while he will have some leeway in running the club on a day to day basis it’s doubtful he’d have the authority to hire and fire managers on his own volition.

Ultimately the two new board members are probably just window dressing. Behind the scenes the Parks and Bennett will still probably be making most of the major decisions for the time being.
 
Now and forever said:
There are people on the board besides the two you mention. If you think they don't still have a huge impact in the running of the club you are kidding yourself.
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Exactly. I'm a director of a number of large companies and major decisions require Board Approval. In football with Shareholders on the Board it is even more tightly controlled by the Board.
 
The Board may be decent people and lifelong Rangers fans.

But in the context of their stewardship of our club they’ve proved themselves not fit for purpose.

Too many mistakes, too many bad decisions.

We are in the awful position of needing new leadership but having a huge financial indebtedness to the current owners.
 
Jim Prideaux said:
Me too, mate.

A lot of people moaning about ‘the board’ would struggle to tell you who is on the boards, and never specify which board they are talking about.

They also fail to acknowledge the changes you refer too, plus the new technical director (you can disagree with it but it’s far too early to assess the impact).
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It’s usually the same people who refer to ‘these serial losers’ when talking disparagingly about the team.
 
El Gordo! said:
*Who hired Beale? The board will have had a say.
*Who promoted Bisgrove to a role he was out his depth in? The board.
*Who hired Clement? The board will have had a say.
*Who sanctioned the stadium improvements?
*Who recruited a poet to be employed by our Club?

You think the Board wouldn't have sanctioned or had a say in any of this?

And to then say "they've now recruited a stellar name and filled the Chairman's slot".

It has been shite for donkeys.
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Add in Edimston House - was that really worth the money?

Failing to back Gerrard after winning the league and preparing for champions league qualifiers

Not bothering to screen the EL final at Ibrox/Glasgow

Appointed a scout that's now on the board as technical director

Overseen a disgraceful situation surrounding Jim McAllister
 
Halek said:
Am I a lone voice? It’s doing my head in.

Our board have fucked up for many years. Since Seville. And in many areas, before then. I’m a massive critic.

However. They have employed a new CEO and appointed a new chairman.

These two people essentially run the club, the business and are responsible for delivering success.

The change has been made. We need to see how it plays out.

Have I missed something ?

Every corner of our online support are talking about ‘the board’ leaving/selling. Demanding action. But the action has been taken.

Am I being thick?
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I think most people want the Parks and Bennett, at least, to sell up.

They are identified as the people who have made the awful decisions.

Wolhardt and Halstead are overseas investors who are probably interested in making money longer term, nothing explicitly wrong with that.

George Taylor and Stuart Gibson, depends how much say they have had in the decisions taken.

Main shareholder is of course King, the status quo re his shareholding imo isn't helping but some still hold hope over him returning to a position of power.

The CEO/Chairman are just in the door and need time, but also need to show willingness to work with the support and make correct decisions.
 
Ed
Halek said:
Am I a lone voice? It’s doing my head in.

Our board have fucked up for many years. Since Seville. And in many areas, before then. I’m a massive critic.

However. They have employed a new CEO and appointed a new chairman.

These two people essentially run the club, the business and are responsible for delivering success.

The change has been made. We need to see how it plays out.

Have I missed something ?

Every corner of our online support are talking about ‘the board’ leaving/selling. Demanding action. But the action has been taken.

Am I being thick?
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I think its a case of the fans want to know if the ‘board’ or PS are running day to day operations, even if he has only been here a matter of weeks or is he a boardroom yes man. Either way its clear what the fans want.
 
Alex Clelands Forehead said:
I think most people want the Parks and Bennett, at least, to sell up.

They are identified as the people who have made the awful decisions.

Wolhardt and Halstead are overseas investors who are probably interested in making money longer term, nothing explicitly wrong with that.

George Taylor and Stuart Gibson, depends how much say they have had in the decisions taken.

Main shareholder is of course King, the status quo re his shareholding imo isn't helping but some still hold hope over him returning to a position of power.

The CEO/Chairman are just in the door and need time, but also need to show willingness to work with the support and make correct decisions.
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This isn’t a moan at you, mate.

But sell to who?

Our largest shareholder has been trying to sell his shares for 5 years and nobody is interested - which I think you’re alluding to in your post.
 
Now and forever said:
There are people on the board besides the two you mention. If you think they don't still have a huge impact in the running of the club you are kidding yourself.
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They will have influence. Of course. Without doubt.

Stewart would not have agreed to join if he didn’t have full control (within fiscal restrictions).

If he doesn’t have the ability to change manager(or otherwise), given what’s going on, then he will leave very soon.

I’m sure that won’t happen.

Of course the major shareholders have influence. Saying anything else would be stupid. These shareholders are under massive pressure.

If they refuse to let the new ceo run things (as he should). Then that pressure amplifies. They don’t want that.
 
Halek said:
They will have influence. Of course. Without doubt.

Stewart would not have agreed to join if he didn’t have full control (within fiscal restrictions).

If he doesn’t have the ability to change manager(or otherwise), given what’s going on, then he will leave very soon.

I’m sure that won’t happen.

Of course the major shareholders have influence. Saying anything else would be stupid. These shareholders are under massive pressure.

If they refuse to let the new ceo run things (as he should). Then that pressure amplifies. They don’t want that.
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There is no chance Stewart has the final say on sacking Clement.
 
Jim Prideaux said:
This isn’t a moan at you, mate.

But sell to who?

Our largest shareholder has been trying to sell his shares for 5 years and nobody is interested - which I think you’re alluding to in your post.
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I have absolutely no idea.

All I'm trying to do was answer the OP's question of 'what do the fans want'.

What I will say is that some have said, on here and elsewhere, that the Parks have no interest in selling and haven't looked for buyers for their stakeholding.

There will be people interested. Whether they are the right people for Rangers, that remains to be seen.
 
Now and forever said:
There is no chance Stewart has the final say on sacking Clement.
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Not the final say. Of course. That’s not how these things work in the corporate world.

But if the ceo says I want him to stay/go. And it’s not supported by the chairman. Then his position is short lived. Which is why he agrees with the major shareholders that he strongly influences/implements major decisions.

If he doesn’t. We’d be as well bringing Bain back
 
Spiderman said:
The Board may be decent people and lifelong Rangers fans.

But in the context of their stewardship of our club they’ve proved themselves not fit for purpose.

Too many mistakes, too many bad decisions.

We are in the awful position of needing new leadership but having a huge financial indebtedness to the current owners.
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Oh, I agree. I’ve been saying for years, being successful businessmen and big bears doesn’t make them best placed to run a football club.

Clearly they aren’t.
 
iain18(7)2 said:
I know the board have made many mistakes and aren't perfect. I'm not defending them in any way, but without the funds 'the board' have poured into the club over recent years where would that cash have come from? £110m they have put in. Because they had to. The club loses money in huge sums year on year. It's not all because of bad management or a few bad transfers. But they put the money in to plug the gap.
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If Rangers had been run correctly they wouldn’t have needed to continue pouring money in. The majority of the money put in is disappearing down a black hole year after year with little signs of improvement in practically every area.

When you’ve got a business making record turnover but still losing £17m that’s just dreadful Corporate governance nothing more. Our turnover could have been over the £100m mark and we’d still be losing millions that is utterly astonishing for a Scottish club.

Allowing the wage bill to balloon completely out of control, bad management appointments, allowing vital positions to remain vacant for months on end etc etc.

Ultimately in the short to medium term we need a board who don’t constantly need to shuffle cash into the club because of poor decision making and replace it with one that will eventually make the club self-sufficient only then will he be successful for long periods.
 
Big Joke New said:
It doesn't work that way in football. Major decisions need to be run by/approved by the Board.

Particularly when the Board are major shareholders

The idea the CEO is responsible for the major decisions is nonsense
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Fritzl couldn't be more hands off if he tried across the city and he's their biggest shareholder.

Leaves it all to liewell and co.
 
Halek said:
Am I a lone voice? It’s doing my head in.

Our board have fucked up for many years. Since Seville. And in many areas, before then. I’m a massive critic.

However. They have employed a new CEO and appointed a new chairman.

These two people essentially run the club, the business and are responsible for delivering success.

The change has been made. We need to see how it plays out.

Have I missed something ?

Every corner of our online support are talking about ‘the board’ leaving/selling. Demanding action. But the action has been taken.

Am I being thick?
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No, you're not being thick mate. You're a voice of reason. Those demanding 'change' without a clue what 'change' looks like or who will deliver it, well I'll not make any comment on who I really think isn't the brightest.
 
Big Joke New said:
Exactly. I'm a director of a number of large companies and major decisions require Board Approval. In football with Shareholders on the Board it is even more tightly controlled by the Board.
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Ok. Based on your scenario. You clearly are a well respected person.

If you went to your respective boards and suggested that action a, b or c was delivered to allow you to achieve your objectives. And they declined to support you, what would you do?

Add into the dynamic that, on the whole, your board have fucked up for the last few years and need someone to get them out the shit.

And (seriously), congrats on your career progression. Not many folk end up as directors, let alone at multiple companies simultaneously. Good job.

For the record. That’s my role. And i couldn’t imagine doing it for more than one company.
 
Gilmourthedug said:
There ya go then.
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So the buck stops with the ceo. (Who has been in place for a few weeks)

The ceo reports to the board. He will have key metrics. And he will need to show progress against these.

The CEO has a more influence than many give him credit for.

He’s not a Bain or robertson who were essentially financial patsies.
 
Halek said:
So the buck stops with the ceo. (Who has been in place for a few weeks)

The ceo reports to the board. He will have key metrics. And he will need to show progress against these.

The CEO has a more influence than many give him credit for.

He’s not a Bain or robertson who were essentially financial patsies.
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Maybe he has worked out a plan to let Clement go and has spaced out the compo.to allow a new manager to come in cheaply,at first then permanently later on. Who knows?
 
Halek said:
Am I a lone voice? It’s doing my head in.

Our board have fucked up for many years. Since Seville. And in many areas, before then. I’m a massive critic.

However. They have employed a new CEO and appointed a new chairman.

These two people essentially run the club, the business and are responsible for delivering success.

The change has been made. We need to see how it plays out.

Have I missed something ?

Every corner of our online support are talking about ‘the board’ leaving/selling. Demanding action. But the action has been taken.

Am I being thick?
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The CEO/ Chairman are patsys for the board.

They cannot make any major changes without approval.
 
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