Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

Grigo Yossarian

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There will no doubt be dates that could do with tidying up, some of these older blogs were panned for years as our equivalent moon howlers,but they are a mine of information now.
I have links to a few somewhere i will dig them up.
Wiki says Lawwell was there as FC 1990/91 but I’m sure I previously read he was there longer.
Not sure if anyone has the previous wiki page to confirm or deny this.
Because if my previous thought was right he’s there during some crucial times eg Cairney in NJ, Macari incident etc.
 

Coop52

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Would it be worth getting a lawyer to make The U S State Dept aware of the sexual assaults / collusion that were perpetrated on U S soil?
I’m sure there must be some N
Would it be worth getting a lawyer to make The U S State Dept aware of the sexual assaults / collusion that were perpetrated on U S soil?
I’m sure there must by guys on here from the NARSA that can advise on this or start making people aware of matters
 

Grigo Yossarian

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Would it be worth getting a lawyer to make The U S State Dept aware of the sexual assaults / collusion that were perpetrated on U S soil?
There’s also a whole DR ( I think ) article about that so there’s a good bit of info available even the American couples name.
The article said that they weren’t happy with the CBC approach & wanted to go to the police.
 

Bluethruandthru

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Folk adding Gerry McCann’s name to memes etc are doing more harm than good.
Said the same many times.

It’s pointless and so unnecessary when used to discredit them. There’s an already long list of convicted criminals who pedalled their filthy habits while at the club like no other. There’s nothing to gain using the McCann name ,there is however credibility to lose by doing so. If people stick to the facts there IS NO defence for what went on it’s as simple as that.
 

aclark

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Is it the schools, or is it the Irish republican sympathising football club most of them invariably support up there?

I know a good few catholics down here in London and they don’t have any hatred for Britain at all.
I'd say its definitely a west of Scotland problem, it doesnt help when they get together collectively in these schools. Remember a few months ago in the herald private school singing about the IRA. (rugby team as well) these are going to be future doctors and lawyers.
 

Alcatraz Loyal

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With regard to the NJ story, I think the guy took the correct course of action in making sure he got the 2 boys safely home to their families. Maybe not correct in a legal sense, but he could not have left 2 lads in the states under protective custody. What a feckin dilema.
Is that actually the case though, legally? I know someone told him that but as far as I know it wasn't anyone with any legal qualifications.
 

George Goudie

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Hope Prof Tomkins nails Lieswell again when he responds to the fhat japs letter

Openly ask Lieswell will he agree to a totally independent inquiry into the abuse at CBC and CFC ?

That will put the smug prick on the spot

If he refuses it really will make them look guilty of covering up the systematic abuse
Spot on.

This is the victims and their families only hope of getting ready realistic compensation.

Litigation stands to benefit them and damage Celtic financially with greater payouts through the courts.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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I'd say its definitely a west of Scotland problem, it doesnt help when they get together collectively in these schools. Remember a few months ago in the herald private school singing about the IRA. (rugby team as well) these are going to be future doctors and lawyers.
That’s unreal mate.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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Said the same many times.

It’s pointless and so unnecessary when used to discredit them. There’s an already long list of convicted criminals who pedalled their filthy habits while at the club like no other. There’s nothing to gain using the McCann name ,there is however credibility to lose by doing so. If people stick to the facts there IS NO defence for what went on it’s as simple as that.
100%
 

Humbug

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Wiki says Lawwell was there as FC 1990/91 but I’m sure I previously read he was there longer.
Not sure if anyone has the previous wiki page to confirm or deny this.
Because if my previous thought was right he’s there during some crucial times eg Cairney in NJ, Macari incident etc.
I checked with internet archive as far back as 2011 it was showing him only being there as fc in 1990. There must be some other way of checking though.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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I checked with internet archive as far back as 2011 it was showing him only being there as fc in 1990. There must be some other way of checking though.
Obviously HMRC would have it but we won’t get access there.
And if he wasn’t a director then Companies House won’t have it.
 

WeAr3Th3Pe0ple

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Good timeline of events here, an interesting part for me is 1989 The Trophy centre, I always wondered how the funds were raised to start that business. But it looks like it wasn't only Torbett who were in at the very start.


  • 1966: Celtic Boys’ Club is founded by Jim Torbett, who had previously been involved in Glasgow youth football.
  • 1968: Allegations of abuse begin.
  • 1970: Frank Cairney joins club.
  • 1976: Jock Stein ousts Jim Torbett as Boys’ Club general manager after allegations that boys were being sexually abused. Torbett is replaced by Frank Cairney. Hugh Birt (a photographer and Celtic associate) is made chairman.
  • 1978: Jock Stein leaves the club.
  • 1982: John Cullen joins the club as photographer.
  • 1985: Jock Stein dies.
  • 1989: Jim Torbett creates a new business – The Trophy Centre – alongside Honorary President of the Boy’s Club and Celtic board member, Kevin Kelly, plus Gerald McAleer, former youth player under Torbett, and Angus Yuile who was company secretary.
  • 1991: A youth team member raises allegations of abuse against Cairney that happened during a trip to New Jersey. His father takes him to Celtic Park to meet with new manager, Liam Brady, and chief scout, John Kelman. Brady approaches the board and demands Cairney leave the club. He resigns as general manager and part-time coach and the club announce this is due to ‘business commitments’. The boy is assured that his allegations would not affect his future career at the club. It was also agreed between Celtic, Brady, the boy and his parents that the police would not be informed. Signed statements were taken from four adults who were also on the New Jersey trip. They were all sworn to secrecy.
  • 1993: Torbett is asked back to the club to help them raise funds via memorabilia sales. He eventually also returns to the Boy’s Club.
  • 1994: Fergus McCann joins Celtic and immediately receives an anonymous letter detailing years of abuse at the club. Adamant the persistent rumours should no longer be brushed under the carpet, he calls in Torbett and asks him to meet with the club’s lawyers to sign an affidavit either admitting or denying claims of abuse which could then be passed to police. Torbett refuses.
  • 1994: Celtic fan, Gerry McSherry appears on a radio programme to question the transfer of a young player. Within days he received a number of calls making allegations of untoward behaviour at the Boy’s Club. McSherry began his own investigation.
  • 1994: New Celtic boss Tommy Burns attempts to bring Frank Cairney back to Parkstead. Fergus McCann refuses following outrage from fans in New Jersey.
  • Aug 1996: The Daily Record runs an expose on abuse at Celtic involving Torbett and Cairney. In the following days, former Scotland star Alan Brazil, David Gordon and John McClusky tell The Daily Record of abuse by Torbett when when they were members of the Celtic Boys’ Club. McSherry is contracted to The Daily Record. A further former player, Scott Sinclair, also comes forward claiming that Cairney would abuse boys in his van. Cairney refuted the allegations and denied knowing Sinclair. In response Sinclair handed a photograph to The Daily Record which was a picture of the whole team, including both Sinclair and Cairney.
  • Aug 1996: After the story broke, Burns rushed to Cairney’s home (a man he considered a close friend). He told waiting reporters “He has the whole of my backing and that of Celtic Football Club to a man“. The following day, an angry McCann issued a statement to the press stating: “While I sympathise with Tommy Burns’ personal position as a friend of Mr Cairney, the club cannot condone or defend or take sides in a matter which involves a criminal complaint“. In response, Burns said he had been misquoted and actually said: “He has my backing and I’m sure he will have the backing of several members of the first team who played for Frank at under-16 level“. Torbett went in to hiding at the home of two former youth players – William and Andrew Gilbert.
  • Aug 1996: A meeting between five men was held in Boston’s Airport where a secret deal was agreed allowing Cairney to resign immediately so as to avoid a police investigation. Celtic chairman, Jack McGinn, allowed Cairney’s written resignation to say it was for “business reasons”. The impromptu meeting consisted of Cairney, Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson.
  • Aug 1996: The Trophy Centre sponsors the Scottish Amateur Youth leagues.
  • Aug 1996: Brady agrees not to go to the police. He then went on to be head of the Arsenal youth team.
  • Oct 1996: Torbett charged with sex offences.
  • May 1997: Record team win Reporter of the Year award for investigations into sex abuse at Celtic Boys’ Club.
  • Aug 1997: The Court of Appeal lifted a gagging order that had banned the press from reporting on the court trial of Torbett and Cairney.
  • Nov 1998: Torbett stands trial at Glasgow Sheriff Court charged with molesting three youngsters in his care including Alan Brazil. He is found guilty and jailed for two years.
  • 2000: Torbett resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
  • 2002: Cleaners find a bin bag full of obscene photographs of boys in a store room at Parkstead. John Cullen, club photographer, is immediately dismissed. He is subsequently found guilty of ‘lewd and libidinous’ behaviour. His lenient sentence causes outrage.
  • 2005: Kevin Kelly resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
Further connections:

A number of photographs are freely available on the internet of Jimmy Savile and/or the Father O’Connell with different board members.



Celtic was also linked to the notorious St Joseph’s College Roman Catholic boarding school which was rocked by appalling allegations of abuse. It was run by the Marist Brother Order. Interestingly, the team Athletico Bilbao was started by former pupils of the college.



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This should be stickied, moved to the first post of this thread and continually updated.
 

Shengus Malengus

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I’m sure I’ve seen a few people refer to them supplying kits and the likes. Not saying it’s correct, but it’s been mentioned a few times
The trophy centre was laden with shite.
They didn't supply kits. First and foremost it was predominantly trophies and medals.

Calendars, cheap watches, clocks, mugs and other assorted shite.
In a nutshell, it was cheap guff.

What we are also dismissing is £1m back then is the equivalent of £2.2m today.(I looked it up).

Back then Celtc wouldn't pay £1m for their entire forward line never mind the stock for two shops full of coffee mugs, key rings and posters of Anton Rogan.

Dodgy as f uck.



P.S. The trophy centre also sold Rangers tat.

Wonder if we gave Torby a million notes?
 
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Gloucester Bear

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Good timeline of events here, an interesting part for me is 1989 The Trophy centre, I always wondered how the funds were raised to start that business. But it looks like it wasn't only Torbett who were in at the very start.


  • 1966: Celtic Boys’ Club is founded by Jim Torbett, who had previously been involved in Glasgow youth football.
  • 1968: Allegations of abuse begin.
  • 1970: Frank Cairney joins club.
  • 1976: Jock Stein ousts Jim Torbett as Boys’ Club general manager after allegations that boys were being sexually abused. Torbett is replaced by Frank Cairney. Hugh Birt (a photographer and Celtic associate) is made chairman.
  • 1978: Jock Stein leaves the club.
  • 1982: John Cullen joins the club as photographer.
  • 1985: Jock Stein dies.
  • 1989: Jim Torbett creates a new business – The Trophy Centre – alongside Honorary President of the Boy’s Club and Celtic board member, Kevin Kelly, plus Gerald McAleer, former youth player under Torbett, and Angus Yuile who was company secretary.
  • 1991: A youth team member raises allegations of abuse against Cairney that happened during a trip to New Jersey. His father takes him to Celtic Park to meet with new manager, Liam Brady, and chief scout, John Kelman. Brady approaches the board and demands Cairney leave the club. He resigns as general manager and part-time coach and the club announce this is due to ‘business commitments’. The boy is assured that his allegations would not affect his future career at the club. It was also agreed between Celtic, Brady, the boy and his parents that the police would not be informed. Signed statements were taken from four adults who were also on the New Jersey trip. They were all sworn to secrecy.
  • 1993: Torbett is asked back to the club to help them raise funds via memorabilia sales. He eventually also returns to the Boy’s Club.
  • 1994: Fergus McCann joins Celtic and immediately receives an anonymous letter detailing years of abuse at the club. Adamant the persistent rumours should no longer be brushed under the carpet, he calls in Torbett and asks him to meet with the club’s lawyers to sign an affidavit either admitting or denying claims of abuse which could then be passed to police. Torbett refuses.
  • 1994: Celtic fan, Gerry McSherry appears on a radio programme to question the transfer of a young player. Within days he received a number of calls making allegations of untoward behaviour at the Boy’s Club. McSherry began his own investigation.
  • 1994: New Celtic boss Tommy Burns attempts to bring Frank Cairney back to Parkstead. Fergus McCann refuses following outrage from fans in New Jersey.
  • Aug 1996: The Daily Record runs an expose on abuse at Celtic involving Torbett and Cairney. In the following days, former Scotland star Alan Brazil, David Gordon and John McClusky tell The Daily Record of abuse by Torbett when when they were members of the Celtic Boys’ Club. McSherry is contracted to The Daily Record. A further former player, Scott Sinclair, also comes forward claiming that Cairney would abuse boys in his van. Cairney refuted the allegations and denied knowing Sinclair. In response Sinclair handed a photograph to The Daily Record which was a picture of the whole team, including both Sinclair and Cairney.
  • Aug 1996: After the story broke, Burns rushed to Cairney’s home (a man he considered a close friend). He told waiting reporters “He has the whole of my backing and that of Celtic Football Club to a man“. The following day, an angry McCann issued a statement to the press stating: “While I sympathise with Tommy Burns’ personal position as a friend of Mr Cairney, the club cannot condone or defend or take sides in a matter which involves a criminal complaint“. In response, Burns said he had been misquoted and actually said: “He has my backing and I’m sure he will have the backing of several members of the first team who played for Frank at under-16 level“. Torbett went in to hiding at the home of two former youth players – William and Andrew Gilbert.
  • Aug 1996: A meeting between five men was held in Boston’s Airport where a secret deal was agreed allowing Cairney to resign immediately so as to avoid a police investigation. Celtic chairman, Jack McGinn, allowed Cairney’s written resignation to say it was for “business reasons”. The impromptu meeting consisted of Cairney, Jim McNally, Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson.
  • Aug 1996: The Trophy Centre sponsors the Scottish Amateur Youth leagues.
  • Aug 1996: Brady agrees not to go to the police. He then went on to be head of the Arsenal youth team.
  • Oct 1996: Torbett charged with sex offences.
  • May 1997: Record team win Reporter of the Year award for investigations into sex abuse at Celtic Boys’ Club.
  • Aug 1997: The Court of Appeal lifted a gagging order that had banned the press from reporting on the court trial of Torbett and Cairney.
  • Nov 1998: Torbett stands trial at Glasgow Sheriff Court charged with molesting three youngsters in his care including Alan Brazil. He is found guilty and jailed for two years.
  • 2000: Torbett resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
  • 2002: Cleaners find a bin bag full of obscene photographs of boys in a store room at Parkstead. John Cullen, club photographer, is immediately dismissed. He is subsequently found guilty of ‘lewd and libidinous’ behaviour. His lenient sentence causes outrage.
  • 2005: Kevin Kelly resigns as director of The Trophy Centre.
Further connections:

A number of photographs are freely available on the internet of Jimmy Savile and/or the Father O’Connell with different board members.



Celtic was also linked to the notorious St Joseph’s College Roman Catholic boarding school which was rocked by appalling allegations of abuse. It was run by the Marist Brother Order. Interestingly, the team Athletico Bilbao was started by former pupils of the college.



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How unlucky can Celtic be? You force out your club photographer (Hugh birt) who came to you with allegations of child abuse at Celtic boys club and replace him with another photographer, John Cullen who was found with hundreds of indecent images of children.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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I checked with internet archive as far back as 2011 it was showing him only being there as fc in 1990. There must be some other way of checking though.
I found two different articles on him Humbug. It looks like he did only work for them from 1990 to 1991.
So he’s probably been aware of the Cairney New Jersey issue but not Macari or Brady incidents.
 

ShootYouDown

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I found two different articles on him Humbug. It looks like he did only work for them from 1990 to 1991.
So he’s probably been aware of the Cairney New Jersey issue but not Macari or Brady incidents.
Was he not alleged to have worked alongside Stuart Regan at Coors and paved the way for him to get the sfa gig? I know he was involved in a few iffy dealings with the coal board and was also at clydeport.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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Was he not alleged to have worked alongside Stuart Regan at Coors and paved the way for him to get the a few gig? I know he was involved in a few iffy dealings with the coal board and was also at clydeport.
Good point SYD. He got the SFA Regan didn’t he ? The SFA placeman.
I knew about Clydeport tbrough a bear who worked there. Seemingly a right bugger.
 

Humbug

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How unlucky can Celtic be? You force out your club photographer (Hugh birt) who came to you with allegations of child abuse at Celtic boys club and replace him with another photographer, John Cullen who was found with hundreds of indecent images of children.
It can't get any worse...can it? So many glaring appointments.

Torbett replaced by Cairney as General manager, Cairney is replaced by Torbett on his release and then Gerald King replaces Torbett. But at one point they are all there at the same time under different roles.

It really is a mindfuck how they have done all this with no one doing anything about it.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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It can't get any worse...can it? So many glaring appointments.

Torbett replaced by Cairney as General manager, Cairney is replaced by Torbett on his release and then Gerald King replaces Torbett. But at one point they are all there at the same time under different roles.

It really is a mindfuck how they have done all this with no one doing anything about it.
That’s what makes me question Kelly. Was there someone high up protecting / mentoring them mate ?
There were rumours many years ago about Chris White taking kids on the Glasgow Euston overnight train too. Always expected that to break but it never did.
 

Zander73

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It can't get any worse...can it? So many glaring appointments.

Torbett replaced by Cairney as General manager, Cairney is replaced by Torbett on his release and then Gerald King replaces Torbett. But at one point they are all there at the same time under different roles.

It really is a mindfuck how they have done all this with no one doing anything about it.
Inquiry will sort it all out. And there will be more in the frame. All the bastards that knew and done nothing. The list will be endless. Old players and old employees being dragged in with their heads hung in shame. Along with 55 this could be a fantastic 12 months. Justice for the victims and they filthy bastards being brought down.
 

ShootYouDown

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That’s what makes me question Kelly. Was there someone high up protecting / mentoring them mate ?
There were rumours many years ago about Chris White taking kids on the Glasgow Euston overnight train too. Always expected that to break but it never did.
When Torbett was on the board at Fairbridge,McCafferty was the minibus driver taking young vulnerable boys down to London for weekend stays
 

Virgil Hilts

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Inquiry will sort it all out. And there will be more in the frame. All the bastards that knew and done nothing. The list will be endless. Old players and old employees being dragged in with their heads hung in shame. Along with 55 this could be a fantastic 12 months. Justice for the victims and they filthy bastards being brought down.
The cesspit that is Scotland can’t be trusted where justice / impartiality is concerned
 

Coop52

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That’s what makes me question Kelly. Was there someone high up protecting / mentoring them mate ?
There were rumours many years ago about Chris White taking kids on the Glasgow Euston overnight train too. Always expected that to break but it never did.
Kelly has too many links to be innocent in my opinion
He was in the perfect position to protect others as well
 

ShootYouDown

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Good point SYD. He got the SFA Regan didn’t he ? The SFA placeman.
I knew about Clydeport tbrough a bear who worked there. Seemingly a right bugger.
Have a look at Lawwells shenanigans at Mining Scotland...behind the scenes dealings with Labour energy minister Brian Wilson,and the tub of lard from Coatbridge. Fucking Monktonhall colliery with the loss of 500 jobs ,secret government bail outs,taxpayers footing the bill,and Lawwell,Wilson and Reid all walked away and reunited at the piggery. Not got all.the facts but something stinks
 

Zander73

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The cesspit that is Scotland can’t be trusted where justice / impartiality is concerned
Agree with you Virgil. That’s why I’m glad that the English FA are also involved. British justice will be served on them. It’s absolutely criminal that the SNP have basically done nothing. A two year secret internal inquiry says it all imo. They are digging themselves a bigger hole.
 
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