Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

TheDavanator

Active Member
He can’t be that good as he’s missed quite a few at his beloved club... Maybe we should offer him some assistance?

Don’t think there is another level that they can stoop down to they’re already at the bottom
 

sonowilliam

Well-Known Member
Allan Brazil of course
Who i'm led to believe is still at the forefront.

Let me tell you a wee story about Cairney,he was charged with sexual abuse back in 1998 he walked free as there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

He stated in a court of law that he never knew my brother even after my brother produced a team photo of which he and Cairney were in.

It's took 20 years since to bring Cairney to where he is after many fights,the justice system let us down back in 1998.

I certainly don't trust the justice system but i remain with hope

My brother has asked that i allow justice to be served but i ( probably selfishly ) find it so difficult.

I have not spoke to my brother since xmas,it's also a very delicate situation for him to open up to.

There was proceedings in place to take that club through the courts in December however it was cancelled.

Also let me reiterate - There was NO investigation from CFC nor was there any hush money to the victims.

There's still a lot more to come out of this sordid club.
 

The Hooded Claw

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So this moron thinks that rival football fans ‘pointscoring’ over child abuse is as bad as the abuse itself? Riiiiiight. I think this self-styled Paedo hunter is in the wrong game. Or perhaps it’s the right game for someone like him to be in? Hiding in plain sight.
A paedo hunter is annoyed at us hunting paedos. Confused to say the least
 

Thasunke Witko

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Who i'm led to believe is still at the forefront.

Let me tell you a wee story about Cairney,he was charged with sexual abuse back in 1998 he walked free as there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

He stated in a court of law that he never knew my brother even after my brother produced a team photo of which he and Cairney were in.

It's took 20 years since to bring Cairney to where he is after many fights,the justice system let us down back in 1998.

I certainly don't trust the justice system but i remain with hope

My brother has asked that i allow justice to be served but i ( probably selfishly ) find it so difficult.

I have not spoke to my brother since xmas,it's also a very delicate situation for him to open up to.

There was proceedings in place to take that club through the courts in December however it was cancelled.

Also let me reiterate - There was NO investigation from CFC nor was there any hush money to the victims.

There's still a lot more to come out of this sordid club.
I for one am greatful that your brother and others are brave enough to get these bastards locked up, the last two statements do not surprise me in the slightest.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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I know of a few stories over here where the paedo hunters themselves have turned out to be in fact the type of people they claim to be hunting.

have indecent images, going on indecent chat sessions, aye its ok if your a paedo hunter o_O

leave it to the police.
 

Jay1873

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How any company would want to become involved with Celtic as these sickening stories continue to break is beyond me. Look at the way Sheffield United were held to ransom over the Ched Evans affair. It was being discussed on every talk show in the country. Whereas this is being treated with almost silence.
 

Sir Sasa Papac

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He can’t be that good as he’s missed quite a few at his beloved club... Maybe we should offer him some assistance?

Can’t be that good of a peado hunter if he’s not found one in amongst his brethren
 

BN94

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Once this channel 4 report is out, I think it's worth messaging MP's again off the back of it asking about an independent enquiry.

As the coverage and evidence builds, the pressure must remain.
Don’t worry about that my friend. When it comes to communication with the appropriate authorities, I can tell you that there are people working non-stop on this. Channel 4 are about to show that club for what they are.
 

nybear

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He can’t be that good as he’s missed quite a few at his beloved club... Maybe we should offer him some assistance?

quick look at his facebook and its the only game he has been too, also has a picture of him and his puppy creepy looking bastard
 

BN94

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StuGers

Well-Known Member
quick look at his facebook and its the only game he has been too, also has a picture of him and his puppy creepy looking bastard
As I said before, might have been in another thread, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was paid to endorse Celtic here. The narrative they are now trying to set is that it is not acceptable to raise the issue as somehow it is as bad as hiding it.
 

nybear

Well-Known Member
As I said before, might have been in another thread, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was paid to endorse Celtic here. The narrative they are now trying to set is that it is not acceptable to raise the issue as somehow it is as bad as hiding it.
Sounds like something they would pay for, it a bit like the saying it takes a thief to catch a thief only in this case. Birds of a feather flock together
 

fjm86

New Member
Hopefully justice for the victims will happen, been far too long for them. Horrible thing to happen to anyone.

They deflect the blame straight away as they think they are untouchable in this backward country we live in. Why there has been no public enquiry is shocking but no surprise in SNP Scotland.

Well done to the people on here working hard on the case.
 

alexg123

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You would think that the “ lost my direction paedo hunter “ seems to think all Ranger’s fans are spreading lies about some fairyland haven where the children all gathered to play happy games together with all the good fairy people smiling and happy children all playing happily and safe UNTIL !!! The big bad Blue Monsters from the West all come snarling to eat up all the happy wee innocent children and carry them all away . Time to wake up Stinson dear ! Mummy’s brought you a nice cup of coffee to bring you back to reality and truth and POP !!! AW ! NAW ! It was big bad green monster’s from the East all the time o_O Wakey Wakey Stinson Dear !
 

Parma

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There's some well established case law on "vicarious liability", who counts as an employee & what employers can be held accountable for.

The general direction of travel is that the definition of who is an employee is widening, and organisations are being held accountable for more and more actions of employees. Even when an employee's actions are criminal.

In short I can't see a court buying the separate entity nonsense.
 

Aspley1 Ger

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Problem is they’re legally separate, A company is its own legal person.

However given abuse also happened on the property of Celtic, that will be an offence.
The courts can pierce the veil of separate entity if it believes that it in the interest of justice. There is evidence linking the two entities and the ability to remove Torbet demonstrates a controlling influence by CFC over CBC. Numerous other examples of strong links.
 

Bobafett Bear

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Why do separate entities do buisness transactions between the club and the trophy centre.

Directors of both sit on both boards,I expect a fully operational research team will have this data.

No one may ever be able to show how much cash flowed “illegally” between both and where it went,but directors linked and own paper are as good as an admission of guilt.
 

Ballymena Bear

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Why was McGinn involved in the separation of Cairney after NJ mate ?

Why was Hugh Birt relieved of his CBC Chairman role by Kelly, accompanied by Cairney & Torbett BB ?
It’s all related mate everyone can see that.

I was just saying that legally they are separate, they’ll have two different companies with no direct company structure between the two.

The SFA have came out and said it’s nonsense that feeder clubs are totally separate so all we can hope is the courts lift the veil between the two.

I still think they can get a lot of punishment for letting a lot of incidents happen on “Celtic Fc” property even if the courts don’t lift the veil
 

Ballymena Bear

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If they are so separate, why did Torbett have to ask permission of Celtic to create a feeder club in their name ?
It’s 100% related mate,I’m just talking about the paper.

The courts can skip past this if they think it’s a sham, which it is.

However I wouldn’t trust many judges in Scotland to do that. Powerful people know things for this not to have fully come out all these years
 

Grigo Yossarian

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It’s all related mate everyone can see that.

I was just saying that legally they are separate, they’ll have two different companies with no direct company structure between the two.

The SFA have came out and said it’s nonsense that feeder clubs are totally separate so all we can hope is the courts lift the veil between the two.

I still think they can get a lot of punishment for letting a lot of incidents happen on “Celtic Fc” property even if the courts don’t lift the veil
Agree with you mate. Here’s hoping that these people get justice.

And that club then does too.
 

johnkp

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It’s all related mate everyone can see that. I was just saying that legally they are separate, they’ll have two different companies with no direct company structure between the two.

The SFA have came out and said it’s nonsense that feeder clubs are totally separate so all we can hope is the courts lift the veil between the two.

I still think they can get a lot of punishment for letting a lot of incidents happen on “Celtic Fc” property even if the courts don’t lift the veil
Spot on, BB. This is the relevant part of the Interim Report ...

Para 3.73 - Historical and Current Relationships between Senior Football Clubs and Grassroots Clubs
If the relationship and history between the youth football club and the senior club was so shared, so close, and so inextricable on positive achievements, then when alleged sexual abuse of young players formed part of the history of one then, it too, formed part of the history of the other. A shared heritage is not confined to trophies, victories and celebration. It also extends to defeats, failures, and deficiencies.
 

Broxmeister

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We need a full independent enquiry into the goings on at Celtic boys club which must include a forensic examination of both the boys club and Celtic. No stone must be left unturned. So many young life's have been destroyed by not only their abusers but also the enablers who made the conscious decision to cover their abuse up. Any enquiry must also ask questions of the Scottish Government, as I have said before on other threads and in emails to SNP MSPs it would appear child rape is a price worth paying for votes for the Scottish Government. When the truth comes out I think it will shock all decent people and those responsible must pay the price no matter who they are. Jail is the only punishment that can be handed out and I mean real jail time not the joke sentences that those convicted so far have been given. As for Celtic as a football club, it should be wound up and all monies raised should be shared out between the victims and they should never be allowed to darken Scottish football again in any form.
Justice for Celtics Victims
 

Baladloyal1872

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Victim claims football abusers worked together


A man who was abused by Jim McCafferty as a boy said the former Celtic kitman was part of a paedophile ring
SCOTTISH POLICE
Marc Horne
Wednesday February 26 2020, 12.01am GMT, The Times

Compelling evidence for the existence of a cross-border paedophile network will feature in an official report commissioned by the Scottish Football Association, it has emerged.

An independent review into sexual abuse within Scottish football is expected to deliver its final report within weeks. However, Martin Henry, chairman of the review panel, has told Channel 4 News that “substantive” new evidence has emerged which suggested that some notorious predators worked together to traffick young players.

Last month The Times published allegations that Barry Bennell, a former scout with Manchester City and Crewe Alexandra, and Jim McCafferty, a former Celtic kitman and boy’s club coach, were part of an organised abuse ring.

Bennell, 66, is serving a 30-year sentence for abusing boys on an “industrial scale”. McCafferty, 74, was jailed last year for molesting youngsters over a 24-year period.


One survivor, Malcolm Rodger — who has waived his right to anonymity — has presented new evidence, claiming that he was abused separately by McCafferty and Bennell after being introduced to them by Bill Kelly, a former coach with the now defunct West Lothian team Uphall Saints.

Kelly, 84, was jailed in 1987 for sexually assaulting at least 12 players, including Mr Rodger, at the club over a 22-year period. He served one year in prison.
Mr Henry confirmed that his inquiry had received information which suggested that prominent abusers in Scotland and England had been working together.
“We do have substantive information to suggest that has been the case,” he said. “If you’d asked me that question a month ago I would have said no.
“There was no substantive information that we had at that time that suggested any kind of organised abuse between Scotland and England under the auspices of football.
“We have had recent accounts that suggests that was very much the case. These have been passed to the English FA inquiry.
“I’m fully confident that the English FA inquiry will come up with recommendations every bit as detailed and robust as my own.”
Mr Rodger, 49, from Glasgow, was subjected to two years of abuse in the mid-1980s after attending games, trials and tournaments in Scotland, England and Spain.
He said that Kelly and McCafferty, whom he recognised as the trainer of the neighbouring Fauldhouse United, abused him together many times.
A year later Mr Rodger accompanied Kelly on a trip to Blackpool, where he was introduced to Bennell.
Mr Rodger told Channel 4 News that the abuse he received at the hands at Bennell made him physically sick.
“The following day Bill Kelly told me, if anybody was to ask anything, just to say that I’d eaten something that hadn’t agreed with me at dinner,” he said.
Mr Rodger, a decorated former serviceman who served in Bosnia, Northern Ireland and in the first Gulf War, said that he hoped his decision to speak out would convince others to come forward.
“Everybody in Scotland knows that abuse has taken place but it’s different when there’s a face, there’s a name that’s telling them that I was abused.” he said.
Kelly, a former secretary of the West Lothian Association of Youth Football Clubs, denies having any connection with Bennell or McCafferty.
The SFA said that it was awaiting the findings of the independent review.

 
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