Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)
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Grigo Yossarian
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STV, BBC, Clyde run by scum apologists CLF.
Grigo Yossarian
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Everyone with nothing to hide should want exactly that Eight ball.
BlueBaloo
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The dam is now at bursting point BN
This club needs a criminal investigation started against it now if it hasn't already begun.
Bluechip
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Well said.
Journalists this is your last chance to do the right thing for the victims.
If you don't you will forever be infamous.
I think we could safely say this has been going on since they arrived on our shores. Proving it is a different matter.
Fothyman
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He's (the justice secretary) made one tweet today and it is about support for independence. Justice secretary on a day when a much awaited report into historical abuse has been released and has not even a comment to make about it. Absolute joke.
BlueBaloo
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A wee nosey into Brother Walfrids sudden midnight flit from Glasgow would be a start
alexg123
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Absolutely Grigo , Anyone who has nothing to hide should be screaming out for an independent Inquiry just to even clear their name and prove their innocence to the public . Tick Tock , we are waiting to hear the demands for the Inquiry from those with nothing to hide
.A charlatan of the highest order. We know exactly where his loyalties lie.
TheSqueakyWeiner
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Vile bastards, and sadly this report seems only to be as expected.
alexg123
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Filthy piece of excrement should not be allowed to associate with decent human beings , hope he rots in hell .
I suspect abuse was happening before and they found somebody to front an organisation to keep a conveyor belt of kids coming. Who wanted the boys club set up? Are we to believe a 20 something year old guy just walked in off the street and asked if he could use the club crest and colours to set it up? Then they just granted that request without know what experience Torbett had? Somebody came up with that idea and torbett was chosen to front it. Why was he chosen and by who? Who inside the club made this happen?
Football clubs ‘must say sorry’ for abuse — The Times and The Sunday Times
Scottish football clubs including Celtic, Rangers and Hibernian have been urged to “do the right thing” and apologise to survivors for the sexual abuse that took place within the national sport, an official review has ruled. Dozens of survivors came forward to give evidence against paedophiles...
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Scottish football clubs including Celtic, Rangers and Hibernian have been urged to “do the right thing” and apologise to survivors for the sexual abuse that took place within the national sport, an official review has ruled.
Dozens of survivors came forward to give evidence against paedophiles who preyed on boys over three decades.
Ian Maxwell, chief executive of the Scottish Football Association, apologised but declined to comment on whether football authorities would support the report’s recommendation that a fund be created to compensate victims.
“It is important that today is about the survivors,” he said yesterday after the Independent Review of Sexual Abuse in Scottish Football published its findings. “There are ongoing civil cases. Whatever happens, going forward, is for another day.”
The authors were shocked by how easy it was for predators to use their “good standing” to infiltrate the sport and gain unrestricted access to children, who had received little or no support from those tasked with protecting them. “The price they have paid has often been lifelong, frequently serious and sometimes catastrophic,” they said.
The review also found that:
• Former senior figures at Celtic FC were likely to have been aware of the abuse taking place with its feeder club but the authorities were not alerted.
• No evidence could be found to corroborate Rangers FC’s claim that they contacted the police after sacking a paedophile youth coach in 1991.
• The Scottish FA turned its back on a man who said he was raped as a boy by an assistant referee and sought help in seeking justice.
• Known paedophiles worked together to groom boys and trafficked them over UK and international borders for abuse.
• An abuser took boys to a hostel in England where they barricaded themselves in a room after being shown to naked men.
The review was not able to attribute culpability — calling that a matter for the courts — but said that those who failed to protect youngsters should be held accountable.
“Although direct responsibility lies with the men who are said to have perpetrated these acts, we are also very aware of the accountability which lies with clubs and organisations in football since these shared a duty of care to the young people.”
It called for all clubs and organisations involved to make a “clear, unreserved and public” apology to the survivors. However, it said simply saying sorry was insufficient and recommended that the Scottish FA and clubs consider creating a fund to provide support and assistance to those affected.
The report criticised the Scottish FA for failing to do more to help Pete Haynes when he reported that he had been sexually abused by Hugh Stevenson, a former youth coach and assistant referee, in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
It called for the introduction of measures to improve the protection of young people and reduce risk.
Although the review panel has no authority to enforce its findings, clubs will find them difficult to dismiss.
bad boy boogie
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His jacket is hanging off the peg now,pending the independent inquiry into the malicious prosection of the rangers admins.....he'll be gone soon.
Top football clubs told to compensate abuse victims — The Times and The Sunday Times
Scottish football clubs face paying millions of pounds in compensation and should make an “unreserved and public apology” to victims of historical sexual abuse within the game. A report released yesterday called on the clubs including Celtic, Rangers and Hibernian to accept responsibility for a...
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Scottish football clubs face paying millions of pounds in compensation and should make an “unreserved and public apology” to victims of historical sexual abuse within the game.
A report released yesterday called on the clubs including Celtic, Rangers and Hibernian to accept responsibility for a scandal stretching back to the 1970s.
Lawyers said that they face costly court actions if they fail to follow recommendations laid out in the long-awaited Independent Review of Sexual Abuse in Scottish Football, which was commissioned by the Scottish Football Association.
It ruled that clubs and the Scottish FA should offer compensation and a “clear, unreserved and public” apology to survivors.
Two years ago Manchester City announced plans to offer millions in compensation to victims of historical child sexual abuse, with survivors of the most serious crimes receiving six-figure sums in damages. The plan was put in place after the conviction of Barry Bennell, a former football coach who was jailed for 31 years for crimes linked to his time working for City and Crewe Alexandra.
Yesterday Thompsons Solicitors, which is representing six people who were abused by Scottish FA officials and dozens more who were attacked while playing for senior and junior clubs, said that publication of the review should bring an end to efforts to evade culpability.
“I echo the views of the authors of the reports that everyone involved in Scottish football, both clubs and Scottish FA, now has an ethical obligation to accept responsibility for the actions, or inactions, of their predecessors,” said Laura Connor, a partner with the firm.
“I go further than that though and say that they have a legal responsibility to do so. There were legal obligations to ensure the safety of children at the time and those obligations pass to successors.
“There is still a chance now for those in football to do the right things — make some effort to right wrongs of the past — apologise, speak out about what you know, acknowledge what has happened, and compensate for the harm that was caused.”
Kim Leslie, a specialist abuse lawyer who previously helped a survivor to secure compensation against Celtic FC, added: “Abuse survivors deserve support, justice and the ability to hold their perpetrators accountable, but if organisations are not part of this solution then they are part of the problem.”
It has previously been estimated that Scottish clubs and football organisations could face total compensation claims in excess of £12 million.
Dozens of survivors who endured “incalculable” suffering came forward to give evidence against abusers who preyed on vulnerable young people over three decades.
The review found that known paedophiles worked together to groom boys and trafficked them over UK and international borders for abuse.
In one case an abuser took boys to a hostel in England where they were forced to barricade themselves in a room after they were presented to a group of naked men.
While it acknowledged that direct responsibility lay with the abusers, the review said that football clubs and organisations had a duty of care to the young people in their charge.
“The collateral damage caused to their relationships, their employment, their physical and mental health and their social wellbeing is incalculable,” the authors added.
Sexual abuse in Scottish football: ‘My story has finally been heard’ — The Times and The Sunday Times
A rape survivor who was abused by an assistant referee after being invited to the Scottish Cup final is relieved that his voice has finally been heard. Pete Haynes, 54, waived his anonymity to give testimony that he was attacked by Hugh Stevenson, a linesman and coach, after attending the match...
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A rape survivor who was abused by an assistant referee after being invited to the Scottish Cup final is relieved that his voice has finally been heard.
Pete Haynes, 54, waived his anonymity to give testimony that he was attacked by Hugh Stevenson, a linesman and coach, after attending the match at Hampden in 1979. He reported the incidents to the police in 1993 and 1996 and informed the Scottish FA, but Stevenson died in 2004 without facing charges.
The independent review into sexual abuse within Scottish football vindicated Haynes, from Fife, and said the football authorities had failed to give him the support he deserved.
“When I heard the report was finally going to be released my legs gave way,” he said. “It was a very emotional moment. I had feared that my parents were going to pass away before it was published.”
Bill Storrie, from South Lanarkshire, was one of at least 12 boys who were abused by Bill Kelly, a coach with the now defunct West Lothian club Uphall Saints, over a 22-year period. He gave evidence that he and other boys were regularly taken to a health club in Edinburgh where they were paraded in front of Kelly’s “friends”.
Malcom Rodgers, 50, was assaulted separately by Barry Bennell, 66, a former scout with Manchester City, and Jim McCafferty, 74, a former Celtic kitman and coach, after being introduced to them by Kelly.
The testimonies will appear in the English FA investigation into abuse.
Concerns over who knew what about abuse in the boys’ football teams — The Times and The Sunday Times
Celtic A number of men who held senior roles with the boys’ club have been convicted for sexually abusing children and teenagers. Among them is Jim Torbett, who founded Celtic Boys Club in 1966, who has twice been imprisoned for attacking young boys between 1967 and 1994. Testimony from his...
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Celtic
A number of men who held senior roles with the boys’ club have been convicted for sexually abusing children and teenagers.
Among them is Jim Torbett, who founded Celtic Boys Club in 1966, who has twice been imprisoned for attacking young boys between 1967 and 1994.
Testimony from his victims appears in the report. Torbett had two stints at the club, the first from 1966 to 1974 and the second from 1978 to 1996.
Hugh Birt, a former boys’ club chairman, gave evidence at Torbett’s first trial in 1998 that he was kicked out by Jock Stein, Celtic FC’s manager, in 1974, after allegations of abuse emerged.
The report records its concern about the circumstances, stating: “It is possible that a number of people in Scottish football may have had some suspicion regarding [Torbett’s] alleged activities at the time including former managers at Celtic Boys Club; a former senior manager and a former board member at Celtic FC at the time; and a group of players at Celtic Boys Club.”
The authors added: “The review finds it concerning that [Torbett] was permitted to return to Celtic Boys Club in another capacity after only a few years.”
Rangers
In 2018 an alleged victim of paedophile Gordon Neely, who worked as head of youth development at Ibrox between 1986 and 1991, was told he should pursue his complaint with liquidators.
The former youth footballer was told by lawyers that Rangers were owned by a different company when the abuse took place and that duty of care was not with the current owners. The review challenges this type of stance, stating it is “inadequate”. Neely, who died of cancer in 2014, was dismissed by Rangers in 2011 after a parent complained after he pulled down his son’s underwear.
Rangers have insisted they also informed the police but investigators were “unable to confirm” whether this was the case.
Two other former Rangers youth players said they were sexually abused by Neely at Ibrox but did not tell anyone at the time.
Rangers have strenuously denied any wrongdoing.
Hibernian
Neely was employed as a youth coach at Hibernian in the 1980s. The review heard testimony from a man who said he was repeatedly raped by him at the club when he was 12.
The report said Hibernian FC received allegations from parents who were concerned about Neely.
However, investigators were unable to establish whether their complaints were acted on before Neely left to join Rangers in 1986.
Other clubs
The review was also made aware of abuse allegations at a number of other clubs including Motherwell, Partick Thistle and Hamilton. Investigators were told Jim McCafferty, a former kitman with Falkirk, Hibs, Celtic FC and its boys’ club, now serving a lengthy jail sentence, abused a boy as part of an “initiation ceremony” in the 1980s.
Scottish clubs to create a fund? Presumably amounts donated would be relative? I certainly won’t be putting money into my club to bail out a club who knew they had abusers and never acted or knowingly re-employed them?
Victims need to be compensated and the perpetrators and people who have covered it up should be punished. Other clubs should not be punished.
Victims need to be compensated and the perpetrators and people who have covered it up should be punished. Other clubs should not be punished.
nemessis
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Aye right there's one club that needs punished and we all know who that is to try and muck rake and spread the blame was always the paedohiders and the SFA's objective they both covered it up and their sham of an investigation should be called out for what it is.
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unionjock2
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Did Clyde discuss it tonight G?
We’ve had mixed messages from survivors. Some are extremely happy with the review, and some not so happy. Obviously each survivors case is different.
Remember that this has gone on at that club for 50 years. We were expecting a lot more than 200 pages. This is just the start and I think the only place the truth will be heard is in court.
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If it happens it needs to be protested about. Not moaning on the internet like I normally do.
For their crimes against children and subsequent coverups that club should be closed down. They proudly boast about a statue of an individual who knew what was going on. That should be the first thing to be pulled down.
Taffyblue
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“In conclusion he said that the Celtic board fully appreciated the great credit the Boys Club bring to Celtic and they will continue to give it their support” - then director Kevin Kelly.
Damning evidence for the separate entity nonsense.
Grigo Yossarian
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I heard it was on their news UJ, but I didn’t hear exactly what they said.
They then started to discuss it on the SSB programme, but they brought the news guy McLean on & it was nothing unusual.
The big thing for me was them now being willing to talk about it mate, now that Rangers are a part of it.
I turned it off. Sick of them.
Stockport bear
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Neely was employed with us in 2011? I really wish we had handled this case better. It's being used as a stick to beat us with
THEGOVANFRONT
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From the report it is made clear that senior figures at a certain club were likely to be aware of the abuse taking place.
So, on the grounds of their responsibility to protect children within the game
1. Will they now deal with this failure of a member club?
2. Will they report their findings of a clear child protection failure to Police Scotland?
If not, on what basis (legally) are they able to do this?
And should they fail to do so are victims able to legally challenge that club & the SFA over these failures for what I believe to have been a deliberate cover up?
With regards to the comment on the suspicion of abuse taking place, how does that sit with re-employing a convicted abuser & again will the SFA act on this evidence? As above will this be reported to Police Scotland as id assume there would have been some sort of background checks/forms that need completing when in this sort of job role to show your suitability?
So, how did a convicted abuser get past this part to secure a job role with the same people whom he was employed with prior to being jailed?
So, on the grounds of their responsibility to protect children within the game
1. Will they now deal with this failure of a member club?
2. Will they report their findings of a clear child protection failure to Police Scotland?
If not, on what basis (legally) are they able to do this?
And should they fail to do so are victims able to legally challenge that club & the SFA over these failures for what I believe to have been a deliberate cover up?
With regards to the comment on the suspicion of abuse taking place, how does that sit with re-employing a convicted abuser & again will the SFA act on this evidence? As above will this be reported to Police Scotland as id assume there would have been some sort of background checks/forms that need completing when in this sort of job role to show your suitability?
So, how did a convicted abuser get past this part to secure a job role with the same people whom he was employed with prior to being jailed?
Tagsbear
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No he was sacked when Souness was manager.
I agree we could have handled it better but we claim we reported it to the police and the police say they have no record of that. Who's to say that Rangers are wrong in this and the police are right? It could quite easily be Rangers who are telling the truth here.
It certainly cannot be compared to more than a hundred kids being assaulted over many years and the resulting deflection and cover-up. Hard as they try they cannot realistically say one is as bad as the other.
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Grigo Yossarian
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Agree.
I’m pretty sure Rangers was his last club, so that also tells a story in itself.
I think Rangers come out of it much better than the scum or the spoonburners but the general perception of Joe Public, short term, is the annoying thing.
I think they meant this
bedsblue
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Not to distract from the main event but didn't the good brother arrive in this neck of the woods round about the same time Jack the Ripper went quiet in the London area from where he came i'm led to believe.
Grigo Yossarian
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Agree Jacobite, the SMSM have done their perverting of so many parts of this to aid their masters.
Why did BBC say CBC when Celtic employees are the subject of criminal convictions ? And a civil case loss too ?
Why do they judge Rangers on Neely based upon no evidence we reported it, yet don’t take that same consistent tone with them ?
Disgraceful & bitter country.
Grigo Yossarian
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They won awards for exposing it at Celtic back in the 1990’s mate.
How things have changed.
