Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

I watched this documentary during the early hours of this morning and found it very disturbing. I’ve stated elsewhere on this platform that I survived child abuse and have spent time helping others from different walks of life. What really hit me about the victims, survivors and their families is the emotions that they must be going through. I was abused by one person and other members of the family clammed up which left me feeling angry and frustrated among other feelings towards my abuser and those who kept quiet. But for these poor people who have had to endure the horrors of this behaviour along with a massive institution like Celtic FC and the Scottish SNP led government covering up their actions I simply cannot comprehend their pain. They MUST get justice. Lives have been completely destroyed yet these organisations are only interested in their own self preservation. Similar to all abusers.
You're a brave/strong man coming on here and telling us how it is out there, I have seen a few documentaries lately,and one that comes to mind,is 24 Hours in police custody,it was hard to watch,all the young lives ruined by one predator. Most turned to drugs, drink,and theft to block out their pain,and sadly one young kid took his own life.I have no idea the hurt you must feel since not one person in your family helped you,in your time of need. Take care Sir.
 
I open this thread only occasionally as the whole situation repulses me and makes me sick to my stomach. I truly cannot fathom how they have been allowed to get away with this for so long. How can the media, governing body, police, their fans et al look themselves in the mirror knowing that they allowed children to be abused and stood by and done nothing. In fact, worse than nothing, they facilitated the abuse of these children. I am not religious or spiritual but I do hope there is a special place in Hell reserved for every last one of them. I hope the victims and families get the justice they want and need.
 
I open this thread only occasionally as the whole situation repulses me and makes me sick to my stomach. I truly cannot fathom how they have been allowed to get away with this for so long. How can the media, governing body, police, their fans et al look themselves in the mirror knowing that they allowed children to be abused and stood by and done nothing. In fact, worse than nothing, they facilitated the abuse of these children. I am not religious or spiritual but I do hope there is a special place in Hell reserved for every last one of them. I hope the victims and families get the justice they want and need.

Spot on Tigger.

Celtic FACILITATED this.

A club like no other.
 
Good work by you all, now let's see justice for the victims and this club must acknowledge these wrongs and apologies.
 
Marc Horne here recognising there are actually 6 connected to that club. You’ll notice that other press outlets state 4.



A string of alleged sexual abuse survivors have joined a multimillion-pound lawsuit against Celtic FC, heaping further pressure on the Parkhead club.

It means that about 35 alleged victims of molestation at Celtic Boys Club, its feeder side, are poised to take part in a class action under legal powers that have only recently come into use.

This month, at a hearing at the Court of Session in Edinburgh, Lord Ericht, the judge, agreed to allow the case to move to the next stage, which ensures lawyers for Celtic FC will need to respond to the claims. Papers have now been formally served on Celtic.

Patrick McGuire, a partner with Thompsons Solicitors Scotland, said the class action had been strengthened by new claimants. “I can confirm we have been approached by additional survivors of abuse at Celtic Boys Club who want to join the group,” he said. “Their experiences range from physical violence to disturbing conduct when they were in the showers, all the way through to some of the worst possible types of sexual abuse.”

Thompsons will set out evidence which it claims shows that the boys’ club and Celtic were linked financially and therefore legally. Celtic previously said it was “appalled by any form of historic abuse” but maintained it was a “separate entity” to the boys’ club — a claim which has been challenged by documents unearthed by The Times.

Six men associated with Celtic Boys Club, Celtic FC and Celtic East Youth Club, an Edinburgh-based feeder club, have been convicted of sexual offences against boys.

McGuire hoped that further survivors who had been “suffering in silence” would make themselves known.

“It is clear that a paedophile ring, operating at the heart of Celtic Boys Club, was responsible for decades of abuse against a horrifying number of boys and young men,” he said. “The abuse at the boys’ club was carried out on a near-industrial scale.”

Group proceedings were introduced into the legal system last year. They allow groups of two or more people with the same or similar claims to raise a single action in the Court of Session.

Celtic FC failed to respond to a request for comment. Last month it said in a statement: “The club is continuing to deal with these sensitive matters in conjunction with its advisers. The club again expresses its sincere sympathy, regret and sorrow to those affected and reiterates it will stand by its responsibilities, respecting the due process of law.”
McGuire hoped that further survivors who had been “suffering in silence” would make themselves known.

“It is clear that a paedophile ring, operating at the heart of Celtic Boys Club, was responsible for decades of abuse against a horrifying number of boys and young men,” he said. “The abuse at the boys’ club was carried out on a near-industrial scale.”



Has McGuire ever used that term before when speaking to the media?
 
Spot on Tigger.

Celtic FACILITATED this.

A club like no other.
This is very true. If anyone suspects that a crime is being committed and remains silent then in my view they are also culpable. Before retirement, among other things, I taught Child Protection and I made that point very clear. Even those in our society who access child pornography are witnessing a crime scene whether they think it's innocent or not. Again, by not reporting such behaviour to the police, they are also culpable.
 
I assume Gordon is one of the ones who checks in here.

Look forward to seeing Gordon and the rest get the justice they deserve. He and the Gray's have been very brave and tenacious in fighting for justice.


Agreed, not only did they have to put up with the sickening abuse from the club. The abuse they continue to receive from Celtic supporting pedophile apologists on social media is disgusting. I really hope they all get the justice they deserve.
 
Sadly I do beleive you but zilch on BBC Sky or other major media outlets how long can they continue the deflection and cover up?

Well, we won’t stop until they stop the deflection & cover up.

So it’s their decision when they want us to stop.

Give these people justice and closure. Let them get back to living a life that has some element of peace about it.
 
I pray and hope that the solicitors involved can get justice for the victims by being able to demonstrate that CFC do not get away with the separate entity nonsense. I just get a feeling that after all this time, they will still manage to worm their way out of this and leave many of the survivors broken. I really hope that when the evidence comes out in court, the myth of the separate entity can be blown away and they face the wrath. I hope all the others that have remained silent, including media and government snakes are outed as well.
 
May be a crass question - but if it had not been for the paedophilia - would CBC have ever existed ?
These are the answers only a full independent enquiry can try to get to the bottom of. Most normal countries would be doing everything to learn how this happened to prevent it ever happening again like they did with Saville and yewtree. Create an environment where victims feel they can come forward so this isn’t hidden in the shadows. Scotland however, continues to try to silence the issue and wants to make the shadows even bigger. Tell people they’re disgusting and point scoring so nobody feels they can talk about it.
 
Lawyer for the victims has described it as a paedophile ring and abuse on an industrial scale. Can you imagine the headlines if he had been talking about anything other than Celtic here?
Imagine it was Rangers.

We'd have been shut down and Ibrox bull-dozed decades ago.

I pray for those poor souls who have been through so much physical, mental and emotional torture. One day they will each get the justice they so deserve!
 
As said before. Not one cheep about this at their AGM. Too busy decrying everyone else. Nothing to see here, move along type of thing. Standard response from chunts forced into a corner. They can bury their heads in the sand but their heads will need to surface when the numerous court cases begin. And when those heads resurface, I truly hope severe justice is done and every single one of them pay the price. The price is immesurable tho. You cannot put a price on lives lost or lives destroyed. Justice is the price.

Does anyone know if other clubs such as Man City discussed their abuse situations at their AGM's? Assuming they have AGM's. Im asking because it would be interesting to compare the silence from Celtic.
 
Don't understand the strip the titles bit. Seems to me like that's just an open goal for scumbags to deflect and twist our motives in trying to expose this.
TBH I feel the same, even if they did - I don't see what difference that would make. They should face up to their responsibilities in a court of law where the survivors can get their justice and closure.
 
Gordon Woods tweet re potentially 500+ victims at CFC and CBC is unreal and harrowing

Thomson’s calling it a paedo ring on an industrial scale is shocking given the numbers involved

SNP Govt stance, SFA whitewash report using that dodgy bastard Martin Henry was another joke given his background and contacts with other convicted paedos Rennie and Strachan

The stench and cover ups by CFC should be worldwide news yet the mhedia in UK are attempting to dilute the scandal by mainly ignoring the child abuse

Industrial scale abuse should be an embarrassment to Police Scotland given this abuse has been going on since 1960’s

6 beasts already convicted and further charges awaiting trials

It’s a disgrace CFC are still allowed to trade

Shame on every single bastard who has protected, enabled and actually abused young boys over 50+ years

I can’t believe how the6 have never been sanctioned by football authorities and I pray Thomsons get a victory in their class action in court for compensation and force CFC to publicly apologise to the victims and the rest of Scottish football for their employees and Directors dirty deeds

Remember Scotland forced Rangers to publicly apologise for going into administration ffs yet these bheasts have been protected for decades

It’s a stain on Scotland and those in charge should be chased out of office as paedo harbourers
 
Don't understand the strip the titles bit. Seems to me like that's just an open goal for scumbags to deflect and twist our motives in trying to expose this.
Penn State were stripped of their honours.
I was just going with the precedent set for the penalty for historical sex crimes against minors, albeit a different country.
I can see your point though
Whilst I agree with MB’s sentiment about not understanding the strip the titles bit, there is another part of their dark and dismal past that could and should see that happen. That being the under-declaring of their gates in the period up to 1975 should see that happen as they robbed both the taxman and other clubs.
BPW, this is and should always be about justice in all its forms for the many victims. Hopefully more of them can find the strength to come forward and claim their little bit of that justice.
 
Gordon Woods tweet re potentially 500+ victims at CFC and CBC is unreal and harrowing

Thomson’s calling it a paedo ring on an industrial scale is shocking given the numbers involved

SNP Govt stance, SFA whitewash report using that dodgy bastard Martin Henry was another joke given his background and contacts with other convicted paedos Rennie and Strachan

The stench and cover ups by CFC should be worldwide news yet the mhedia in UK are attempting to dilute the scandal by mainly ignoring the child abuse

Industrial scale abuse should be an embarrassment to Police Scotland given this abuse has been going on since 1960’s

6 beasts already convicted and further charges awaiting trials

It’s a disgrace CFC are still allowed to trade

Shame on every single bastard who has protected, enabled and actually abused young boys over 50+ years

I can’t believe how the6 have never been sanctioned by football authorities and I pray Thomsons get a victory in their class action in court for compensation and force CFC to publicly apologise to the victims and the rest of Scottish football for their employees and Directors dirty deeds

Remember Scotland forced Rangers to publicly apologise for going into administration ffs yet these bheasts have been protected for decades

It’s a stain on Scotland and those in charge should be chased out of office as paedo harbourers
Perfect.
 
Ooh they knew

In 1974 they knew

In 1986 they knew

Yet they claim they were unaware of it until the 1990s which is a shameless bear faced lie.
If I as a very young boy in the late 70’s was hearing stories about the goings on at the Boys Club then of course Celtic knew about it.

And if I was hearing stories then so were the people running football teams, so were the police, so were news journalists, so were sports journalists.

The story was ‘out there’. It wasn’t a closely guarded secret.
 
These are the answers only a full independent enquiry can try to get to the bottom of. Most normal countries would be doing everything to learn how this happened to prevent it ever happening again like they did with Saville and yewtree. Create an environment where victims feel they can come forward so this isn’t hidden in the shadows. Scotland however, continues to try to silence the issue and wants to make the shadows even bigger. Tell people they’re disgusting and point scoring so nobody feels they can talk about it.
This is all simply about Scottish independence. The SNP excluded religious and sporting institutions from scrutiny or investigation. The main reason being their block vote migrated from labour to the SNP. As we know there are many Celtic supporting MSP’s in the SNP’s ranks, willing and protecting their own sporting clubs or religious backgrounds interests. This transcends down through the media and creates organisations like “Call It Out” to throw mud in our “the big bad Rangurz” to see how much will stick. A deflection tactic, again helped along by their pals in the media. The SNP is desperate to get the independence ticket across the line and this is the very reason why they cannot at any cost alienate their block vote. Their self interest and quest if you like over rules any common decency. Due to that they are vermin and not fit to govern. What I cannot quite fathom though is only 15% or Scotlands population (according to the last census) is RC, where the Church of Scotland is 35%. I’m aware that religion is on the decline these days, however it does baffle as to how such a small demographic in our society has managed to become so powerful with the opportunity to suppress?
 
If I as a very young boy in the late 70’s was hearing stories about the goings on at the Boys Club then of course Celtic knew about it.

And if I was hearing stories then so were the people running football teams, so were the police, so were news journalists, so were sports journalists.

The story was ‘out there’. It wasn’t a closely guarded secret.

Or someones father who is now a semi prominent MSP and useful idiot?
 
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Gordon Woods tweet re potentially 500+ victims at CFC and CBC is unreal and harrowing

Thomson’s calling it a paedo ring on an industrial scale is shocking given the numbers involved

SNP Govt stance, SFA whitewash report using that dodgy bastard Martin Henry was another joke given his background and contacts with other convicted paedos Rennie and Strachan

The stench and cover ups by CFC should be worldwide news yet the mhedia in UK are attempting to dilute the scandal by mainly ignoring the child abuse

Industrial scale abuse should be an embarrassment to Police Scotland given this abuse has been going on since 1960’s

6 beasts already convicted and further charges awaiting trials

It’s a disgrace CFC are still allowed to trade

Shame on every single bastard who has protected, enabled and actually abused young boys over 50+ years

I can’t believe how the6 have never been sanctioned by football authorities and I pray Thomsons get a victory in their class action in court for compensation and force CFC to publicly apologise to the victims and the rest of Scottish football for their employees and Directors dirty deeds

Remember Scotland forced Rangers to publicly apologise for going into administration ffs yet these bheasts have been protected for decades

It’s a stain on Scotland and those in charge should be chased out of office as paedo harbourers
Well said Div 1872. As you say, a "Stain on Scotland," I hope those involved and those helping cover this up, feel the full force of the law. I personally want those in the media who refrain from mentioning this strung up. To me they are every bit as guilty.
 
This is all simply about Scottish independence. The SNP excluded religious and sporting institutions from scrutiny or investigation. The main reason being their block vote migrated from labour to the SNP. As we know there are many Celtic supporting MSP’s in the SNP’s ranks, willing and protecting their own sporting clubs or religious backgrounds interests. This transcends down through the media and creates organisations like “Call It Out” to throw mud in our “the big bad Rangurz” to see how much will stick. A deflection tactic, again helped along by their pals in the media. The SNP is desperate to get the independence ticket across the line and this is the very reason why they cannot at any cost alienate their block vote. Their self interest and quest if you like over rules any common decency. Due to that they are vermin and not fit to govern. What I cannot quite fathom though is only 15% or Scotlands population (according to the last census) is RC, where the Church of Scotland is 35%. I’m aware that religion is on the decline these days, however it does baffle as to how such a small demographic in our society has managed to become so powerful with the opportunity to suppress?

The simple answer is the fear the RC Church has created among its parishoners
 
This is all simply about Scottish independence. The SNP excluded religious and sporting institutions from scrutiny or investigation. The main reason being their block vote migrated from labour to the SNP. As we know there are many Celtic supporting MSP’s in the SNP’s ranks, willing and protecting their own sporting clubs or religious backgrounds interests. This transcends down through the media and creates organisations like “Call It Out” to throw mud in our “the big bad Rangurz” to see how much will stick. A deflection tactic, again helped along by their pals in the media. The SNP is desperate to get the independence ticket across the line and this is the very reason why they cannot at any cost alienate their block vote. Their self interest and quest if you like over rules any common decency. Due to that they are vermin and not fit to govern. What I cannot quite fathom though is only 15% or Scotlands population (according to the last census) is RC, where the Church of Scotland is 35%. I’m aware that religion is on the decline these days, however it does baffle as to how such a small demographic in our society has managed to become so powerful with the opportunity to suppress?
I think non RC nats have been drawn into the same cult like thinking as the people they’ve joined which skews those percentages. They’ll just be going along with what they see their cult concentrate on or ignore. Everything else comes 2nd, even the children of their nation.
 
Yeah, shoo kevins but he just wants to talk about football.
Funny enough Johnny , Keevins should think himself lucky he just wants to talk about football , those young lads just wanted to play football but didn't get to choose what they wanted to talk about because nobody at their club wanted to know about what was happening to them and I don't think shoo wants to know either .
 
Just reading the local Spanish paper and there’s an article in it in regards to a youth coach in Malaga who has been found guilty of sexual abuse of boys between 12-16.
He’s been sentenced to 77 years in gaol

Scottish justice system should take note.
This is the great frustration for me, the majority of us are not seeking vengeance against the filth as a club. Instead the majority of us would like to see the law applied proportionally to this hugely disturbing litany of evil which has blighted one club over all others.

These vile men raped and damaged mere children, kids who trusted them with their innocent hopes and dreams only to have them corrupted and destroyed. Why thus far have the Scottish courts, government, media and the majority of other clubs treated the perpetrators of these heinous crimes with kid gloves?

Rangers were ruthlessly defamed for the use of a legal tax avoidance scheme (retrospectively rendered no longer acceptable by HMRC). Add to this the fact that our club was left open to, by the lack of fitness for purpose of the checks and balances supposedly instituted by the governing bodies, to protect the club from such…A bunch of asset stripping crooks.

You’d think our club had done something vile and heinous given the reaction of all of the above constituents. Contrast that with the almost silence in regard to the filths utterly horrific history of child rape and abuse. The lenient sentences of the guilty, the systemic attempts to protect the filth by government and legal bodies.

I am hugely disappointed in my homeland and for anyone to suggest that my motives are anything other than the disgust and horror of a father (I have three sons for whom I’d kill to protect). I haven’t interacted with one filth supporter who shows any sense remorse for the victims or indeed anger at their club. Just deflection and counter claims regarding their favourite subject matter, Rangers.

These are fathers too, how did their moral compasses become so out of kilter? Why have they in my opinion, acquiesced in the protection of their clubs brand and therefore in protection of the perpetrators? I think the majority of us ‘decent’ human beings want to see justice seen to be done in favour of all of these victims of stolen childhoods, of dreams turned to nightmares.

No body or indeed institution, no matter how much it is loved or supported, no trusted officer of said organisations should be immune from the full force of the law. This, when they break the trust of the innocent, condemning mere children to an adulthood haunted by the dreams of what might of been and the nightmares of the base evil which was visited upon their vulnerable formative years.

I implore Scottish society, Government, legal bodies and media to fight for these lost childhoods, to put aside their tribalism and do what is right in the eyes of any decent society…Which is to properly punish the guilty, all constituents, from the perpetrators to those who covered up for them and by so doing set free at least some of the demons which haunt the many victims.
 
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Its a sorry read this thread but one we must all look at. Others involved in the CFC and its feeder clubs must look at themselves and surely come forward with any information they have.
I agree it's a sorry read Covenanter1: but at least most of the members on FF young and old are now very much aware of what can happen to youngsters put in the trust of various types of clubs and I am sure we are all much more cautious and aware of the possibilities of what "COULD " happen to any of our Children , Grandchildren even GGChildren especially since this particular thread started by Haining a few years back . I just hope that the team here dealing with these horrible activities can go on to help people in similar circumstances and get advice from the Spotlight team in the future to help to expose paedophilia in all it's ugly forms anywhere in the World .
 
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