Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

Southernlion

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UK offenders convicted of directing and paying for livestreamed sexual abuse of Filipino children will serve on average only two years and four months in prison, before being released on license in the community. These are offenders who have spent several years, and often thousands of pounds, to direct the sexual abuse of children.
The “two years four months In prison” implies a wide range of sentences as this will not include time spent on Home Detention Curfew. I will be writing to Sar@h Champion who penned this article
https://labourlist.org/2020/11/online-sexual-exploitation-of-children-needs-our-urgent-attention/ re silence in the Celtic Csa
 

Southernlion

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Hi Sarah,

I am writing to you because of your your ongoing campaigning as evidenced in today’s article.

I don’t know if you can help but in Scotland there has been a festering sore of child sex abuse, mainly at one club, but reportedly covering three Scottish Premiership Clubs and others.

The Scottish Football Association commissioned a report and have refused to publish it on the grounds that it could affect criminal proceedings.

An ad hoc group was formed to support Michelle Gray @michellegray75 in her quest for justice for her brother, a victim, who have been campaigning for the release of the report.

Since the campaign started many victims have come forward and a number of perpetrators have been uncovered. A linkage of a network of sexual predators has been established - Saville, O’Brien, and a number of football coaches.

This group are being blocked by the Scottish establishment and more has appeared in the Washington Post than in any Scottish newspaper.

If you could give assistance in any form it would certainly be appreciated.
 

Southernlion

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Boiling! bumped into mr jobsworth (See below)

i have appealed for a bear in Rotherham elsewhere on this site and they can put her on the spot

Thank you for the clarification.

Unfortunately, Parliamentary rules on representation are strict and require your request to be directed to your own MP.

Should you be unaware of who your MP is, you can find out by visiting: https://members.parliament.uk/members/commons

I am sorry I cannot be of more assistance.

Kind regards



Alexander Guest
Parliamentary Assistant and Senior Caseworker to Sarah Champion MP
Member of Parliament for Rotherham
 

SA444

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Bouncy

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A true crime podcast I listen to has an episode up about the Lawrence Haggart case.

Not sure if CBC get a mention as not managed to listen yet but sure it will interest people on this thread.


listened to it this morning, very disturbing, It concentrates on Beattie and doesn't mention the fact the club Lawrence played for was operating a pedophile ring
 

Kylegib

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A true crime podcast I listen to has an episode up about the Lawrence Haggart case.

Not sure if CBC get a mention as not managed to listen yet but sure it will interest people on this thread.


This case should be reopened and thoroughly investigated as the case absolutely stinks of corruption.
 

okbear

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BN94

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No whitewash? Aye ok Jack.


Ministers were not trying to “cover things up” when they resisted calls for an inquiry into the physical and sexual abuse of children in care, a former first minister, has said.


Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, who was in office from 2001 to 2007, told the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry that any decisions taken were “trying to do the right things by survivors, and by those who might go into care in the future”.


He said: “The core decision was about trying to do the right thing — not to impress the public, or the parliament, or to cover things up. I think the majority of people involved were trying to achieve the right outcome.”


The latest phase of the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry, heard before Lady Smith, is exploring why calls made between August 2002 and December 2014 for a public inquiry were resisted by ministers. The inquiry was set up in October 2015 and is investigating abuse of children in care in Scotland or whose care was arranged in Scotland.


Lord McConnell said: “I was very clear from the first conversation that there would be an apology. I wanted to ensure the timing and delivery were appropriate to give a strong feeling to survivors that it was a genuine and heartfelt apology.


“In my own head, there was never any doubt from the first discussion in 2002 that at the right minute I’d deliver an apology and that it had to be done by the first minister, and in the strongest possible terms.”


Lord McConnell also said that he felt “the very experience of being heard was important for survivors”.


Lady Smith asked Lord McConnell how survivors had felt about a full public inquiry, if “at one end you had survivors who were very anti an inquiry and the other you have people pushing for one”. He replied: “I would say more uncomfortable rather than anti — there were survivors who were uncomfortable with the idea of an inquiry.”
 

Simply a Bear

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No whitewash? Aye ok Jack.


Ministers were not trying to “cover things up” when they resisted calls for an inquiry into the physical and sexual abuse of children in care, a former first minister, has said.


Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale, who was in office from 2001 to 2007, told the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry that any decisions taken were “trying to do the right things by survivors, and by those who might go into care in the future”.


He said: “The core decision was about trying to do the right thing — not to impress the public, or the parliament, or to cover things up. I think the majority of people involved were trying to achieve the right outcome.”


The latest phase of the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry, heard before Lady Smith, is exploring why calls made between August 2002 and December 2014 for a public inquiry were resisted by ministers. The inquiry was set up in October 2015 and is investigating abuse of children in care in Scotland or whose care was arranged in Scotland.


Lord McConnell said: “I was very clear from the first conversation that there would be an apology. I wanted to ensure the timing and delivery were appropriate to give a strong feeling to survivors that it was a genuine and heartfelt apology.


“In my own head, there was never any doubt from the first discussion in 2002 that at the right minute I’d deliver an apology and that it had to be done by the first minister, and in the strongest possible terms.”


Lord McConnell also said that he felt “the very experience of being heard was important for survivors”.


Lady Smith asked Lord McConnell how survivors had felt about a full public inquiry, if “at one end you had survivors who were very anti an inquiry and the other you have people pushing for one”. He replied: “I would say more uncomfortable rather than anti — there were survivors who were uncomfortable with the idea of an inquiry.”
Who was it that walked away from that inquiry citing government interference?

Anyone remember?
 

Allybear

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Hollow statement near the end of this article. So "Lord" McConnell have you even considered the painful struggle for the many other survivors that you have blatantly ignored in your country?


"My apology was genuine and supported by all who were affected and all who cared. So too, was my hope that the people and organisations who had run these homes would, at long last, act to shed light on this dark period and start to deliver truth and justice.
But too many of those organisations, many religious, some not, still don’t deal with the past honestly. They have continued to conceal what happened to children in their care. The culture of denial and cover-up is deep.
Almost 13 years later, the victims are still waiting for answers. They deserve, and we must demand, that those responsible for both the abuse and the cover-ups are finally held accountable.
I sincerely hope the ongoing Scottish National Child Abuse Inquiry will finally do that.
We still do not know all that happened in homes and orphanages like Smyllum. But, if Scotland is ever to learn from the past, we must get to the truth and there must be justice."


 
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BN94

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Who was it that walked away from that inquiry citing government interference?

Anyone remember?

 

Simply a Bear

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Thanks mate. I knew there were articles posted ages ago.
 

Theoldgeezer

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Makes me wonder if any snp ' senior members ' or scot. govt. would be's are up to their neck in this wretched episode.
 

Coallie

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When the whole sorry story properly breaks they’ll be falling over themselves to condemn it, wringing their hands in sorrow and revulsion when the truth is they all stood by and done nothing for decades. You can’t come back from that, they are finished in terms of media work.
No they will just go to confession & everything will be ok that's how it works isn't it
 

jim_baxter1960

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Hollow statement near the end of this article. So "Lord" McConnell have you even considered the painful struggle for the many other survivors that you have blatantly ignored in your country?


"My apology was genuine and supported by all who were affected and all who cared. So too, was my hope that the people and organisations who had run these homes would, at long last, act to shed light on this dark period and start to deliver truth and justice.
But too many of those organisations, many religious, some not, still don’t deal with the past honestly. They have continued to conceal what happened to children in their care. The culture of denial and cover-up is deep.
Almost 13 years later, the victims are still waiting for answers. They deserve, and we must demand, that those responsible for both the abuse and the cover-ups are finally held accountable.
I sincerely hope the ongoing Scottish National Child Abuse Inquiry will finally do that.
We still do not know all that happened in homes and orphanages like Smyllum. But, if Scotland is ever to learn from the past, we must get to the truth and there must be justice."


In that case Jack you use the law like a sledgehammer. No pussyfooting about get them dragged into court under oath. Raid offices etc. Close down organisations until they cooperate.
 
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