Roddy Dunlop is actually appearing on their behalf.You would hope any settlement includes them taking full responsibility and a proper apology G, not some ‘expressing sorrow’ nonsense.
Unless they are bribing lawyers and courts, then I can’t see anyway Celtic come out of it without holding their hands up. They should have bit the bullet a long time ago and saved the victims further heartache and delay, especially in light of so much overwhelming evidence. Their flimsy defence has already been exposed by Roddy Dunlop.
If I am guessing right in terms of what some of the stronger evidence might be, then they don’t have a leg to stand on.
Whatever happens, the truth will come out.
Thanks and well done guys.Yes and Yes
We understand that point of view. It frustrates us that we can’t say more. It really does. All I will say to you is there’s more to come.This is what will get them off imo.
While I hope they are made to pay, I have felt and said from day one that they will get off with this on some technicality
I know mate, that’s what I meant in that even their own defence is so flimsy.Roddy Dunlop is actually appearing on their behalf.
That’s so encouraging.Since day one of Spotlight we have been searching for this evidence. Now we have it and it’s in the correct hands.
You would hope any settlement includes them taking full responsibility and a proper apology G, not some ‘expressing sorrow’ nonsense.
Unless they are bribing lawyers and courts, then I can’t see anyway Celtic come out of it without holding their hands up. They should have bit the bullet a long time ago and saved the victims further heartache and delay, especially in light of so much overwhelming evidence. Their flimsy defence has already been exposed by Roddy Dunlop.
If I am guessing right in terms of what some of the stronger evidence might be, then they don’t have a leg to stand on.
Whatever happens, the truth will come out.
If found in favour of the Pursuers, then any compensation payments will amount to many millions. Whilst it might seem unpalatable to some, this is a far more effective way of bringing that club to its knees, than any criminal trial against individuals.At what point does someone in authority contemplate that this is way beyond a civil case and send in the Big Court?
What has been described in this thread is serious crime. It's not even negligence, there is active participation by those in power at the club (maybe not actual physical participation but definitely in the protection/ cover-up of the perpetrators and gagging of victims)
more accurately
They’d be admitting guilt if they settle and it’d open the flood gatesThey can settle right up until the eleventh hour. I think there is a chance that this might happen as none of the sordid details will then be made public. It all depends what Thomsons and their clients are willing to accept.
Where there is one you can bet there are others.more accurately
the main aim of Celtic Boys Club East was to attract victims to be repeatedly sexually abused under the guise of finding players for Celtic FC.
Was it an random accident so many paedophiles ended up at Celtic FC or more realistically an organised network colluded to make this theirs
Legally they wouldn't. Morally, well thats a different story. Settling prevents evidence being put into the public domain.They’d be admitting guilt if they settle and it’d open the flood gates
Even by parties (Spotlight) that are not signed up to non-disclosure? Assuming of course that the victims would not object.Legally they wouldn't. Morally, well thats a different story. Settling prevents evidence being put into the public domain.
Im purely talking about evidence adduced during a proof hearing.Even by parties (Spotlight) that are not signed up to non-disclosure? Assuming of course that the victims would not object.
Perhaps Spotlight need to reconsider their title - Floodlight might be more appropriate.
At what point does someone in authority contemplate that this is way beyond a civil case and send in the Big Court?
What has been described in this thread is serious crime. It's not even negligence, there is active participation by those in power at the club (maybe not actual physical participation but definitely in the protection/ cover-up of the perpetrators and gagging of victims)
The "normalisation" of gays and lesbians.The whole drift of Queer Theory and the normalisation of the LGBT agenda is towards the legalisation of paedophilia and the right of the child to have ‘consensual’ sex with whomever they choose. This is precisely what the Scottish education system is being geared towards. It is what our children are being indoctrinated into. They are being demoralised and the coming generation will not have ethical defences of their forebears. Everyone, Anyone is just part of this dialectical process that is subverting morality, society and culture. That is not a popular view round here, but is nevertheless true. We are part of the problem, reinforcing the system that may very well find a pretext to let Celtic off the hook for their vile abuse. The whole thing has to be considered as a system and we all have to play our part in dismantling it while there is still time.
A Spanish Communist politician recently asserted that boys and girls have the right to have sex with whoever they like. The same people are in our government now. NOW. The industrial scale abuse of children is nothing to them if suppressing its knowledge or accountability advances their agenda.
The most significant thing any of us can do is find out exactly what our children are being taught about sex and identity and challenge the lies they are being told. We are ultimately responsible for our children‘s learning, not the State or the teacher.
Their "won't get a fair trial",is simply due to their tin of "p"s being alive and the evidence against them will bring them down spectacularly.
I'm sure the prosecution will play a canny hand.
At what point does someone in authority contemplate that this is way beyond a civil case and send in the Big Court?
What has been described in this thread is serious crime. It's not even negligence, there is active participation by those in power at the club (maybe not actual physical participation but definitely in the protection/ cover-up of the perpetrators and gagging of victims)
We always said from day one that this would be a marathon, as you well know.Followed this for a long time,A slow burner as the say but the Spotlight team have doggedly kept digging and kept things close to their chest,Hopefuly their hard work and persistence will pay off and the victims will get the justice they deserve.
Aye, it will. You have no moral basis to argue otherwise. You can assert what you like. And roll your eyes, for all that proves. So can I. But you cannot refute the thesis morally or rationally. And that normalisation was always intended to lead us where we are now, with all moral categories broken down, and on the cusp of introducing consent for children. It will happen, it’s only a matter of time. we are experiencing a dialectical process that has gradually demoralised our society. You likely haven’t considered why your beliefs on sexuality are diametrically opposed to those of your great grandparents. Were they wrong too? You have been conditioned. We all have.The "normalisation" of gays and lesbians.
Aye, that will be it.
Thanks Grigo.It happened in USA with the Penn State case Jim.
I forget the actual detail but this was for one paedophile’s activity, Jerry Sandusky.
Just checked & 3 Penn State officials were charged in a criminal court, and Penn State were fined 60m USD.
Why shouldn’t Celtic be subjected to this ? More paedophiles, it happened over a longer time.
Thanks Grigo.
Just wondering if Scots law will allow it. I'm pretty sure it works in reverse i.e. a criminal conviction can lead to a Civil case for compensation.
Should we bring back slavery? Your great great grandparents probably thought nothing of it.Aye, it will. You have no moral basis to argue otherwise. You can assert what you like. And roll your eyes, for all that proves. So can I. But you cannot refute the thesis morally or rationally. And that normalisation was always intended to lead us where we are now, with all moral categories broken down, and on the cusp of introducing consent for children. It will happen, it’s only a matter of time. we are experiencing a dialectical process that has gradually demoralised our society. You likely haven’t considered why your beliefs on sexuality are diametrically opposed to those of your great grandparents. Were they wrong too? You have been conditioned. We all have.
Aye, it will. You have no moral basis to argue otherwise. You can assert what you like. And roll your eyes, for all that proves. So can I. But you cannot refute the thesis morally or rationally. And that normalisation was always intended to lead us where we are now, with all moral categories broken down, and on the cusp of introducing consent for children. It will happen, it’s only a matter of time. we are experiencing a dialectical process that has gradually demoralised our society. You likely haven’t considered why your beliefs on sexuality are diametrically opposed to those of your great grandparents. Were they wrong too? You have been conditioned. We all have.
It's almost as if he's trying to derail the thread with his disgusting comments.Lounge surely for this crackpottery? Time and a place etc
It's not fair at all no.Whilst accepting that those abused do not receive justice?
There is no certainly no fairness, in that option at all.
This is how I feel tooThis is what will get them off imo.
While I hope they are made to pay, I have felt and said from day one that they will get off with this on some technicality
People at celtic fc signed and put young vulnerable boys into celtic boys club knowing full well their was a good chance that they would raped or abused or both.The worry is they will be found to have lacked responsibility for the boys club and will say so sorry for not noticing what was happening and that will be that.
I know you really cant believe the above but can you see the scum paying out millions to the abused as they would not have the cash to pay a reasonable amount to each victim without going bust.
Can you see the scum going bust or is it just us that gets that treatment.
I do despair how this will end and pray we get the right result and finish them for good.
It's almost as if he's trying to derail the thread with his disgusting comments.
His bigoted crap demeans the great work highlighted by the Spotlight guys.
He should have the decency to remove his nonsense.
If you really cannot see the connection between the Sexual Revolution and the difficulty the victims of childhood sexual abuse have getting justice in Scotland today then, really, that’s on you. The points I raise are material to this case. They are the social and political context. Call it carckpottery. Call it what you want (and I’m not the only crackpot at least one other person agrees with me). But in calling it out you haven’t engaged with any of the substantive issues I raised. Why not try? In the Lounge, of course.Lounge surely for this crackpottery? Time and a place etc
This also applies to the main boys club. Why was it started? Who wanted it? The guy who’s said to have started it looks the furthest thing from a football coach you could get and a big football club just gave him use of their name, colours and facilities?more accurately
the main aim of Celtic Boys Club East was to attract victims to be repeatedly sexually abused under the guise of finding players for Celtic FC.
Was it an random accident so many paedophiles ended up at Celtic FC or more realistically an organised network colluded to make this theirs
The persistent hard work, due- diligence, loyalty and dedication that has been applied for many years by the whole of the Spotlight Team whilst engaging in fighting the good fight for the victims, has to be admired and some. Well done to you all.We always said from day one that this would be a marathon, as you well know.
Someone asked me privately today what keeps you all going.
The answer is simple.
Each member of Spotlight knew exactly what we were getting involved in. We knew from day one that we’d be accused of point scoring etc.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
We’ve all experienced every emotion imaginable listening to the accounts of the brave men that have came forward, and also the brave men that haven’t but have put their trust in Spotlight.
Spotlight stand with them. It’s heartbreaking what went on. We do it for them. For justice, and for the world to know that it was allowed to continue. And the reason it was allowed to continue?..
“To protect the good name of the club”
Aye, normalising all crimes is on the horizon. Murder the lot.Aye, it will. You have no moral basis to argue otherwise. You can assert what you like. And roll your eyes, for all that proves. So can I. But you cannot refute the thesis morally or rationally. And that normalisation was always intended to lead us where we are now, with all moral categories broken down, and on the cusp of introducing consent for children. It will happen, it’s only a matter of time. we are experiencing a dialectical process that has gradually demoralised our society. You likely haven’t considered why your beliefs on sexuality are diametrically opposed to those of your great grandparents. Were they wrong too? You have been conditioned. We all have.
If they pull that then and say it was a different club then the Celtic of today will only have titles from 94 onwards.Here's what i expect them to pull.
Remember the name change in 1994 ????