Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

Goggs21 said:
What do you expect O.P.
Two consecutive governments have covered it up
Their faith has carried out these crimes throughout history
Their Directors past and present have covered it up
Their managers have covered it up, one even pleading for this beast to be allowed back in
Their followers by not questioning it, openly support it
They are bereft of any feelings for the victims in this and for a cult that claims victim hood at every opportunity it certainly doesn’t add up
I’m glad the rags have put out a damning piece out on this disgusting animal highlighting that he is allowed to walk about freely amongst the community, the more these monsters are in the news the better as it brings it to the attention of ordinary people and hopefully helps the victims in knowing that there are some decent people trying to help and fight for justice.
Great work in exposing these monsters from Spotlight
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The best chance of justice is to take the decision making out of the hands of those who seek to suppress the truth.

Thanks largely to infiltrators, a judicial system once admired the world over, no longer considers factual evidence enough to secure convictions. This as evidenced with the sight of that viewpark monster only yesterday still freely roaming the streets.
 
I’m not a Mason myself in fact I don’t think I even know any personally,For years Scotland and Scottish football has been polluted with Masonic conspiracies and the influence the organisation holds within society as a whole,The Masonic imo are amateurs compared to the R.C. church in Scotland,Influence and power in every corner of Scottish life and the fhilth hold a special place in the R.C. cult and are protected by their friends.
 
BlueHaze said:
I’m not a Mason myself in fact I don’t think I even know any personally,For years Scotland and Scottish football has been polluted with Masonic conspiracies and the influence the organisation holds within society as a whole,The Masonic imo are amateurs compared to the R.C. church in Scotland,Influence and power in every corner of Scottish life and the fhilth hold a special place in the R.C. cult and are protected by their friends.
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Stephen Fry destroys the RC church in this debate and he along with Hitch leather them 1800 odd votes to 200 odd to the question Is the catholic church a force for good?
 
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archimedes said:
I get what you are saying, but he will just have been working from doctor's reports. It's really the doctor who certified him unfit to stand trial that should be looked at.
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The doctor will likely just be another small part in the cover up to help these evil monsters avoid justice, it would be interesting to know if it was his own doctor who deemed him unfit to stand trial or if it was a doctor he was instructed to go to especially when the media are showing photographs of him walking around unaided.
 
Grumpy Old Git said:
The key thing for me is not so much the punishment of this individual however odious his crimes are is whether it has now been established at this hearing(in law) that intrinsically Celtic BC have a direct and clear linkage to Celtic FC.
This for me would be the key to everything else that follows including the class action.
Perhaps this could be clarified.
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I'd be a little concerned about those prosecuting this perverted sick bastard.
Its obvious to all that he's faking his 'illness' and inability to stand trial or face jail time. A good prosecution would have seen through this sham and his friendly doctor selection.
 
Simply a Bear said:
I think this is bigger than Penn state.
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It is by some considerable distance the Penn state case primarily involved one abuser Jerry Sandusky and several officials who covered his crimes up were also charged.

That pales in comparison to the eight convictions so far in the East end of Glasgow with more criminal trails on the way.

Also the number of actual cases was higher and we basically had ex Celtic employees and managers come out in full view of the public and admit they knew it was taking place in books.

Said it on another thread this would be headline news for years in any other country on earth apart from Scotland.
 
Just watched the film Spotlight last night for the third time (takes me time to get to grips with all the names mentioned) but the similarities between the blatant tactics of denial between celtic and their masters at the vatican are stark as is the dragging of heels in the MSM 20 odd years on from this, which was one of hundreds of global catholic church multiple child rape scandals.
I’m an atheist so don’t believe in any bronze age text about a supernatural creator of the universe Yahweh I also don’t believe in any storm gods, sun gods, Odin, Apollo, Jupiter, Xenu the intergalactic warlord and I also don’t believe Joseph Smith of the latter day saints put stones into a magic hat to translate sacred texts.
Has a full Spotlight type (Boston Globe) investigation into the paedophile crimes into the catholic church been carried out in this country to join the dots and spell out in black and white the crimes committed by paedophile priests and the coverups of their masters? There is news reports of this every few weeks but no one has collated this into a compelling dossier. This organisation should be shut down in our country.
 
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A1bertz said:
I'd be a little concerned about those prosecuting this perverted sick bastard.
Its obvious to all that he's faking his 'illness' and inability to stand trial or face jail time. A good prosecution would have seen through this sham and his friendly doctor selection.
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Makes you wonder about the "appetite" to secure the correct verdict, when they were clearly happy to roll over when presented with this nonsense.
 
The whole Celtic shower seek absolution, well there is none, no matter how many brothers you have in the priesthood ,politicians on the payroll or law enforcement puppets dancing to your tune ? (Allegedly)
Your club, the brand and all that condone the conduct of many people under your watch your _ _ _ _ _ _
The whole group of deviants operating under the Celtic family will be exposed fully worldwide, disgusting organisations masquerading as a football club.
The lives you have taken and affected is abhorrent, this scandal will not go away and no absolution for the perpetrators and those associated with them .
 
BlueHaze said:
I’m not a Mason myself in fact I don’t think I even know any personally,For years Scotland and Scottish football has been polluted with Masonic conspiracies and the influence the organisation holds within society as a whole,The Masonic imo are amateurs compared to the R.C. church in Scotland,Influence and power in every corner of Scottish life and the fhilth hold a special place in the R.C. cult and are protected by their friends.
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Martyboy70 said:
Makes you wonder about the "appetite" to secure the correct verdict, when they were clearly happy to roll over when presented with this nonsense.
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One problem is that the judge/sheriff has to consider if he or she would have their ruling overturned on appeal.
 
tazzabear said:
One problem is that the judge/sheriff has to consider if he or she would have their ruling overturned on appeal.
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This has went too far.

The longer the Scottish justice system prolong the inevitable by protecting a sinking ship, the greater the chances of them going down with it.

There already exists a lot of perfectly valid questions that demand answering regards the judiciary and the complicit nature of ongoing failures.

People and families are who the courts were set up to protect in this country in the first instance, not shameless brazen organisations who seek only to pervert justice for their own ends.
 
A1bertz said:
I'd be a little concerned about those prosecuting this perverted sick bastard.
Its obvious to all that he's faking his 'illness' and inability to stand trial or face jail time. A good prosecution would have seen through this sham and his friendly doctor selection.
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Agreed justice should also be seen to be done, I think in this case they have settled with a guilty verdict. Which in itself is ok, but the fact he's not getting much of a punishment, is the system failing the victims.
 
GBY74 said:
The doctor will likely just be another small part in the cover up to help these evil monsters avoid justice, it would be interesting to know if it was his own doctor who deemed him unfit to stand trial or if it was a doctor he was instructed to go to especially when the media are showing photographs of him walking around unaided.
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I would imagine that the person responsible for deeming him unfit to stand trial would be a paid for consultant/specialist .
Way above a GP pay grade.
 
Bluechip said:
Can the victims sue him or any of those other perverts, who are not in the class action, in a civil court?
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It’s not worth it, they’ll get nowt.

Sue the club, they harboured it.

The Class Action only covers Torbett & Cairney.

The club have already lost a civil case with respect to McCafferty, who was also an employee.

Hopefully after success in this class action it’s on to McCafferty victims next, as we know there was a lot more than one victim from his abuse.
 
A1bertz said:
I'd be a little concerned about those prosecuting this perverted sick bastard.
Its obvious to all that he's faking his 'illness' and inability to stand trial or face jail time. A good prosecution would have seen through this sham and his friendly doctor selection.
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Should be the real focus of attention now.

Who was the prosecutor? (name), background, previous record in securing convictions?

Did he exhaust every avenue to question, or even attempt to discredit the "expert opinion" of whoever deemed cairney not fit to stand trial? Did he even introduce the suggestion of a second expert opinion? Maybe..... oh I don't know......an "independent" expert of the prosecution's choice?

Was the judge even aware cairney needs no assistance whatsoever to go walking the streets for 20 minutes at a time and then remember his way home?

So many issues wrong here. The whole charade needs much further scrutiny imo and there's no way on this earth the decision should go unchallenged.
 
Bluethruandthru said:
Should be the real focus of attention now.

Who was the prosecutor? (name), background, previous record in securing convictions?

Did he exhaust every avenue to question, or even attempt to discredit the "expert opinion" of whoever deemed cairney not fit to stand trial? Did he even introduce the suggestion of a second expert opinion? Maybe..... oh I don't know......an "independent" expert of the prosecution's choice?

Was the judge even aware cairney needs no assistance whatsoever to go walking the streets for 20 minutes at a time and then remember his way home?

So many issues wrong here. The whole charade needs much further scrutiny imo and there's no way on this earth the decision should go unchallenged.
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Exactly mate, something doesn’t smell right here. What was the reasons for all the previous adjournments? This was getting kicked into the long grass for many months before question of him being “unfit” to stand trial was raised. Imagine how that must have felt for the victims, a shallow victory in that their story was believed by the court but far short of the justice they deserved.
 
The scale and brazen nature of this cover up from the highest level of government to the highest level of the RC church to the Justice system never ceases to amaze me. However, they are getting away with it right in front of often irrefutable evidence and testimony from the victims. It’s astonishing and I feel so sorry for the victims. They must feel like they are running at brick walls. However the fight needs to go on for them and for justice to all that have been targeted. It does feel closer now despite the ludicrous non trial of this beast. The strength in numbers of the class action I feel is a turning point.
 
I’m sorry, I know the Spotlight guys like to remind us that they are not the story and that this is all about the victims, which is true by the way, but this whole shameful debacle needs put down in black and white, from Spotlights perspective, highlighting all the blockers and obstacles that they have faced. Put it in print, sell the book and give any proceeds to the victims. This story needs to be told, not only from the victims but from Spotlight. Name and shame every last scumbag who is trying to suppress this whole sorry episode from the media to the courts.
 
Orangepeel1872 said:
I’m sorry, I know the Spotlight guys like to remind us that they are not the story and that this is all about the victims, which is true by the way, but this whole shameful debacle needs put down in black and white, from Spotlights perspective, highlighting all the blockers and obstacles that they have faced. Put it in print, sell the book and give any proceeds to the victims. This story needs to be told, not only from the victims but from Spotlight. Name and shame every last scumbag who is trying to suppress this whole sorry episode from the media to the courts.
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Once all the court cases are over (and if the victims are ok with a book being written) then it might just happen.
 
Orangepeel1872 said:
I’m sorry, I know the Spotlight guys like to remind us that they are not the story and that this is all about the victims, which is true by the way, but this whole shameful debacle needs put down in black and white, from Spotlights perspective, highlighting all the blockers and obstacles that they have faced. Put it in print, sell the book and give any proceeds to the victims. This story needs to be told, not only from the victims but from Spotlight. Name and shame every last scumbag who is trying to suppress this whole sorry episode from the media to the courtsnna
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Orangepeel1872 said:
I’m sorry, I know the Spotlight guys like to remind us that they are not the story and that this is all about the victims, which is true by the way, but this whole shameful debacle needs put down in black and white, from Spotlights perspective, highlighting all the blockers and obstacles that they have faced. Put it in print, sell the book and give any proceeds to the victims. This story needs to be told, not only from the victims but from Spotlight. Name and shame every last scumbag who is trying to suppress this whole sorry episode from the media to the courts.
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Gonna need a bigger book
 
In a similar note, all these tims who bring up links to similar events at Ibrox, I’d love our club to take proactive steps, investigate etc to the fullest and show the facts and if anything did occur compensate those involved.

1- It’s the right thing to do
2 - it closes down any doubt over the club
3- it ramps up major pressure on them as everyone knows they are riddled to the core.
4- Also, none of the separate entity Rangers/Sevco pish, if anything was under our badge we act.
 
Madjid Moments said:
In a similar note, all these tims who bring up links to similar events at Ibrox, I’d love our club to take proactive steps, investigate etc to the fullest and show the facts and if anything did occur compensate those involved.

1- It’s the right thing to do
2 - it closes down any doubt over the club
3- it ramps up major pressure on them as everyone knows they are riddled to the core.
4- Also, none of the separate entity Rangers/Sevco pish, if anything was under our badge we act.
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There are NO similar events at our club

Neely made a verbal comment and was swiftly dealt with in the correct manner. The police were notified and he was sacked

No comparison whatsoever with Celtic
 
Regarding Cairney's alleged inability to stand trial due to his medical state and what was decided in his absence, this could actually end up beneficial to the survivors and the actions taking place through civil proceedings.

If Cairney had of stood trial, using the "Sturgeon defence" of I don't recall, would have been his likely response, that could have led to a not proven verdict being delivered and therefore no guilt attached. In his absence and examining the facts then using the balance of probabilities, the sheriff determined that Cairney had commited these crimes as there were no grounds for an acquittal.

Whilst that will not result in a prison sentence, the very fact that it is, on the balance of probabilities, another conviction, it adds even more weight to the civil cases currently being ran.
 
okbear said:
Regarding Cairney's alleged inability to stand trial due to his medical state and what was decided in his absence, this could actually end up beneficial to the survivors and the actions taking place through civil proceedings.

If Cairney had of stood trial, using the "Sturgeon defence" of I don't recall, would have been his likely response, that could have led to a not proven verdict being delivered and therefore no guilt attached. In his absence and examining the facts then using the balance of probabilities, the sheriff determined that Cairney had commited these crimes as there were no grounds for an acquittal.

Whilst that will not result in a prison sentence, the very fact that it is, on the balance of probabilities, another conviction, it adds even more weight to the civil cases currently being ran.
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His statement about being Celtic, not Celtic Boys Club, also helped OKB.
 
Madjid Moments said:
In a similar note, all these tims who bring up links to similar events at Ibrox, I’d love our club to take proactive steps, investigate etc to the fullest and show the facts and if anything did occur compensate those involved.

1- It’s the right thing to do
2 - it closes down any doubt over the club
3- it ramps up major pressure on them as everyone knows they are riddled to the core.
4- Also, none of the separate entity Rangers/Sevco pish, if anything was under our badge we act.
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Sorry mate I don't know what similar events your talking about.....
In short ,
Neely was sacked for an inappropriate comment to a boy.
There is no record of this being reported to Police for maybe 2 Reasons
1 The boys father was a serving policeman at the time and
2 The Police have admitted themselves that records that far back may have been destroyed as was told when enquiring about how many times they were phoned about celtic football club
Also Hibs part in Neely being at Ibrox despite letting him go knowing he was abusing boys at Hibs and watched him walk into a job at Ibrox and said nothing
The reason most of this is about celtic football club is because of the scale of what happened their and Yes any club found guilty of not doing what was best to protect kids should be punished.
The abuse and rape of kids at celtic football club is horrific and they done nothing/nil/zero/zilch/fvck all about it.

They signed kids and put them in an inviroment knowing full well there was a chance of them being abused ,raped or both
They employed known paedophiles
They re- employed known paedophile's
They paid a convicted paedophile's company £1m over 4 Years
They've had maybe 3 internal investigations who found nothing
They have had upto now 14 beasts linked to that club and there will be more
They have had over 60 convictions from that club
They have had decades where there was not 1 Year a known paedophile did not work there.
It has been covered up and denied for over 50 Years and still does to this day.
They have never once said Sorry, they have apologised but never said sorry.
They asked a sister and mother of a victim to prove that the boy played for celtic despite photos of him in a celtic strip at celtic Park with celtic officials also a video is available of the boy playing at celtic Park
This boy twice tried to commit suicide because of what happened to him at celtic football club sadly he died in a swimming accident before he could have his day in court
Lastly they have already lost a major claim
There is much,much more....
 
Orangepeel1872 said:
I’m sorry, I know the Spotlight guys like to remind us that they are not the story and that this is all about the victims, which is true by the way, but this whole shameful debacle needs put down in black and white, from Spotlights perspective, highlighting all the blockers and obstacles that they have faced. Put it in print, sell the book and give any proceeds to the victims. This story needs to be told, not only from the victims but from Spotlight. Name and shame every last scumbag who is trying to suppress this whole sorry episode from the media to the courts.
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Agree. It has to be summarised in one place by Spotlight. Netflix series or a book preferably.
 
jf1960 said:
Sorry mate I don't know what similar events your talking about.....
In short ,
Neely was sacked for an inappropriate comment to a boy.
There is no record of this being reported to Police for maybe 2 Reasons
1 The boys father was a serving policeman at the time and
2 The Police have admitted themselves that records that far back may have been destroyed as was told when enquiring about how many times they were phoned about celtic football club
Also Hibs part in Neely being at Ibrox despite letting him go knowing he was abusing boys at Hibs and watched him walk into a job at Ibrox and said nothing
The reason most of this is about celtic football club is because of the scale of what happened their and Yes any club found guilty of not doing what was best to protect kids should be punished.
The abuse and rape of kids at celtic football club is horrific and they done nothing/nil/zero/zilch/fvck all about it.

They signed kids and put them in an inviroment knowing full well there was a chance of them being abused ,raped or both
They employed known paedophiles
They re- employed known paedophile's
They paid a convicted paedophile's company £1m over 4 Years
They've had maybe 3 internal investigations who found nothing
They have had upto now 14 beasts linked to that club and there will be more
They have had over 60 convictions from that club
They have had decades where there was not 1 Year a known paedophile did not work there.
It has been covered up and denied for over 50 Years and still does to this day.
They have never once said Sorry, they have apologised but never said sorry.
They asked a sister and mother of a victim to prove that the boy played for celtic despite photos of him in a celtic strip at celtic Park with celtic officials also a video is available of the boy playing at celtic Park
This boy twice tried to commit suicide because of what happened to him at celtic football club sadly he died in a swimming accident before he could have his day in court
Lastly they have already lost a major claim
There is much,much more....
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I didn't know half of this it's shocking to say the least, that club should not exist
Hope they get punished for the victims sake..
 
Just gound out (Im not on Twitter) that there is a Spotlight UK group?

Obviously there was the American one that looked into Catholic church. But as far as I know there was a UK one here looking into Catholoc church(?).

Has Spotlight CFC contacted them because there is crossover, or was the person talking about Spotlight CFC?
 
Anyone else noticing the increased interest in activity relating to the man city situation and comparing to the Rangers 2012 case? Celik media outlets are voraciously pushing the agenda. Seem like they are on the ultimate deflection campaign. I suspect we'll see more interest from Scottish media about man city than English media as the scum try to deflect from their horrible club.
 
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Anyone else noticing the increased interest in activity relating to the man city situation and comparing to the Rangers 2012 case? Celik media outlets are voraciously pushing the agenda. Seem like they are on the ultimate deflection campaign. I suspect we'll see more interest from Scottish media about man city than English media as the scum try to deflect from their horrible club.
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There’s a similarity between Man City and another Scottish as regards a football coach which could be pursued but unfortunately probably won’t.
 
DadoB said:
Just watched the film Spotlight last night for the third time (takes me time to get to grips with all the names mentioned) but the similarities between the blatant tactics of denial between celtic and their masters at the vatican are stark as is the dragging of heels in the MSM 20 odd years on from this, which was one of hundreds of global catholic church multiple child rape scandals.
I’m an atheist so don’t believe in any bronze age text about a supernatural creator of the universe Yahweh I also don’t believe in any storm gods, sun gods, Odin, Apollo, Jupiter, Xenu the intergalactic warlord and I also don’t believe Joseph Smith of the latter day saints put stones into a magic hat to translate sacred texts.
Has a full Spotlight type (Boston Globe) investigation into the paedophile crimes into the catholic church been carried out in this country to join the dots and spell out in black and white the crimes committed by paedophile priests and the coverups of their masters? There is news reports of this every few weeks but no one has collated this into a compelling dossier. This organisation should be shut down in our country.
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The most harrowing thing for me with the film is when the titles roll at the end and ALL of the Countries in the WORLD that have Pervert Peado Priests if justice was to be served on these deviants the Vatican should pay for the building of the world's biggest jail!
 
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