Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

[tangledupinblue]

Remember the story of the Arms for the Contras, the US military were our purchasing toilet seats, toilet roll holders, for three thousand dollars. The money was being rerouted to the Contras for weapons. Seems like Celtic were doing something similar, £3k for a wee shield with a medal on it inscribe, best trainer u14's. Though this money was going into the Torbett slush or hush fund.

You thinking it was going the the IRA?

 

[Hairybear]

How much in total was the Trophy center paid by Celtc since it's inception? I think it was 1989. Not just the four years of £250,000 whilst in prison.

 

[Purpolaris]

You thinking it was going the the IRA?

Going to Torbett for his silence is how I understand it

 

[ShootYouDown]

But the very same people were financial advisors and moralists on financial matters seven years ago.

You thinking it was going the the IRA?

Im.thinking it was going into the pockets of trophy centre directors Kelly and McGinn. Just a pure coincidence they were on Celtics board at the same time. Strange that....

 

[ShootYouDown]

How much in total was the Trophy center paid by Celtc since it's inception? I think it was 1989. Not just the four years of £250,000 whilst in prison.

Well,whatever it was made Torbett a millionaire pretty sharpish

 

[Commodore Carbuncle]

Going to Torbett for his silence is how I understand it

Not for Torbetts silence, his victims.

 

[Dougie Gray]

It's been said that, at the time, the Trophy Centre supplied a lot, if not all, of Celtic's merchandise, not just wee trophies.

If that was the case then why were invoices not on an individual PO basis?

 

[onceuponabriggsbear]

I’ve heard that his wife hates him

I prefer men you ?

 

[whitbybear45]

If that was the case then why were invoices not on an individual PO basis?

Laundered probably.

 

[Super A]

I doubt the paper trail is still around. Once you are past the statutory retention period, it is common practice to get rid of old stuff.

then it hangs over them looking very much like a pay off or hush money unless previous years saw very similar amounts.

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

I prefer men you ?

Bloody right

 

[jweebear]

You thinking it was going the the IRA?

Good shout but no, going to pay hush money for Torbett.

 

[borders billy]

How much in total was the Trophy center paid by Celtc since it's inception? I think it was 1989. Not just the four years of £250,000 whilst in prison.

Exactly how much did the trophy hole get from them each year previously

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

This is not going the way the filth planned, but the rebel and liam sticking their oar in so to speak, smacks of propaganda filth wise.

The Liam told us back in May 2012 that using a legal tax loop was secondary only to match fixing on their front page.

Where is that morality now?

We cannot let these vermin off the hook.

 

[Virgil Hilts]

One thing is sure - anyone using the term "paradise" in reference to Parkhead in any context needs both condemned and ridiculed.

A sick fucking joke!

Paed raids is an anagram of paradise if Police Scotland are lurking (to see if somebody types naughty words).

 

[indianabluenose]

Something to keep your eye on in all this is Securities fraud. If it was serious enough that they had this investigation going on but did not disclose it as a potential liability that is a no no. And that is the most serious kind of crime, a crime against rich people. That will get you on the A train to prison real fast.

 

[Nacho Novo]

Something to keep your eye on in all this is Securities fraud. If it was serious enough that they had this investigation going on but did not disclose it as a potential liability that is a no no. And that is the most serious kind of crime, a crime against rich people. That will get you on the A train to prison real fast.

Couldn't remember mate but was it you who had made contact with lawyers in the USA?

 

[indianabluenose]

Couldn't remember mate but was it you who had made contact with lawyers in the USA?

No

 

[jf1960]

I’m sure I’ve seen a few people refer to them supplying kits and the likes. Not saying it’s correct, but it’s been mentioned a few times

I've never known them to supply kits ever

 

[Nacho Novo]

No

No problem, there's a few regular posters from the USA on here couldn't remember how far back the poster mentioned it.

If he's reading this, hope you have provided the lawyers and organisations over there with every bit in info you could find. I'm struggling for organisations to email about their visits because there's not much to go on.

 

[BluenoseAL]

everytime i see one of them lot bullshittin on twitter i politely inform them of their duties as a human being & 'fan' of their club that they should be calling them out for their cover-up of the attrocities but all i get back is neely, dunn, wallace and someone else, im never 100% on how to reply except saying prove it and showing the apology article via the press for neely accusations levied at the club

 

[Rfcsmith]

If they are as innocent in this scandal as they claim why are they not DEMANDING an independent enquiry

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

Anyone here an expert on the stock exchange?
Just went on and searched for Celtic to see if their share price had been affected by all of this and there is no data available for today. I’ve got some investments that update every 15 mins but don’t know enough about the wider stock market to know if the Celtic non activity is unusual? Or just wishful thinking that trading has been stopped?

I tried too mate. Weird. Are they on the full LSE or some smaller market ?

 

[LD5]

everytime i see one of them lot bullshittin on twitter i politely inform them of their duties as a human being & 'fan' of their club that they should be calling them out for their cover-up of the attrocities but all i get back is neely, dunn, wallace and someone else, im never 100% on how to reply except saying prove it and showing the apology article via the press for neely accusations levied at the club

They cannot believe that they are actually being widely criticised for something and they hate it as they are supposed to be perfect and untouchable. The only way they can get rid of the criticism is to drag us into it by any means necessary, they are fucking vile scum and it sickens me that I share this planet with the cunts

 

[basil1]

I tried too mate. Weird. Are they on the full LSE or some smaller market ?

Think they are on a smaller market where there isn’t as much trading done. Usually the markets have info way in advance of most so if you see a rapid decline one day then expect some news on the way

 

[Foddo Foddo]

If it was all merchandising then £250,000 a year is not excessive, but doesn't take away the questionable business practice of trading with a known paedophile.

£1,000,000 is a tidy round sum of money. Pretty difficult to achieve when totting up 4 years worth of invoices and receipts I’d have thought. Some people think of hush money which is easy to believe as even the existence and reasons of these payments has been hushed up. Never questioned by any investigator neither police, HMRC, nor journalists.

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

everytime i see one of them lot bullshittin on twitter i politely inform them of their duties as a human being & 'fan' of their club that they should be calling them out for their cover-up of the attrocities but all i get back is neely, dunn, wallace and someone else, im never 100% on how to reply except saying prove it and showing the apology article via the press for neely accusations levied at the club

Chalmers is the other Kopger. He was my school football team teacher & there was NEVER any issues or insinuations with the guy at our school.

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

Think they are on a smaller market where there isn’t as much trading done. Usually the markets have info way in advance of most so if you see a rapid decline one day then expect some news on the way

Thanks Basil.

 

[DJ Blue]

 

[CumbrianBear]

So who else do we think was part of the paedophile ring that wasn’t necessarily involved in football? I know there’s possibilities of saville but I reckon there was more. Politicians? Senior members of the police? Is there more organisations not wanting a enquiry because they know they too were part of it

 

[robrob]

So there are only 2 outcomes to this farce? Celtic either admit liability and start a compensation fund, or they get sued and dragged through courts for months. It’s come too far to just die down and be forgotten about as most of them want.

Both are possible. In the Man City example, the compensation scheme that has been set up has been described as an "alternative pathway". The fact it exists does not invalidate the right of victims to pursue a civil case through the courts. There could be the situation where some victims choose to accept compensation and some choose to see the club in court.

 

[Wilkinsvolley]

I get that it was far more nuanced than my breakdown.

1 million pounds though, on football related miscellaneous.

Still more of a question mark than a full-stop surely?

It’s difficult to quantify because there could be a lot of merchandise and bits and bobs. The main question is why were they doing business with a man convicted of sexually abusing their young players. £1 or £1million, the amount doesn’t really matter, they continued to deal with the beast which kept the link and the door open for his return.

 

[Wilkinsvolley]

So there are only 2 outcomes to this farce? Celtic either admit liability and start a compensation fund, or they get sued and dragged through courts for months. It’s come too far to just die down and be forgotten about as most of them want.

It’s a bit of a rock and hard place scenario. Hopefully the rock falls on their napper.

 

[El Jock Grande Sabia]

So who else do we think was part of the paedophile ring that wasn’t necessarily involved in football? I know there’s possibilities of saville but I reckon there was more. Politicians? Senior members of the police? Is there more organisations not wanting a enquiry because they know they too were part of it

Not saying they are all involved, but a common denominator in all pics. No smoke & all that.

 

[Gramps1]

That first picture is disgusting

 

[El Jock Grande Sabia]

That first picture is disgusting

Don't know if liking this is the correct thing to do, but I completely agree - sinister in the extreme!

 

[Tagsbear]

everytime i see one of them lot bullshittin on twitter i politely inform them of their duties as a human being & 'fan' of their club that they should be calling them out for their cover-up of the attrocities but all i get back is neely, dunn, wallace and someone else, im never 100% on how to reply except saying prove it and showing the apology article via the press for neely accusations levied at the club

Its really simple, there’s no evidence that any issues of a sexual nature were raised at the time.

With Neeley the issue that was raised was verbal abuse of a kid who happened to be a policeman’s son, he was fired and according to Rangers the police were informed. Now the Mark Daly documentary he did said the police have no record of this, which sounds ‘bad’, but how long do the police keep records of verbal abuse that no charges were raised over? Certainly not 20 years on which is when Daly asked.

There is also the story about the guy looking for compensation that was referred to the liquidators, now I personally thought that was dealt with shabbily, however the issue wasn’t raised at the time(not unusual of course), the accused is dead and was never convicted of anything whilst alive. No company, be it Rangers or the Samaritans is going to pay out money in those circumstances as they would open themselves up to anyone making the same claims. The difference with what Celtic are facing is that there are umpteen convictions, all of people working for them at the same time.


What they are deliberately ignoring is that its not about the fact these peple worm their way into organisations, as it can happen anywhere, the reason they’re up shit creek without a paddle is that not only was it raised at the time, they held ‘investigations’ and accused those raising it of spreading scurrilous rumours. They sacked a guy for being a sex case, didn’t tell the cops and then re-employed him.

Next time any of them confront you with this just tell them to show you proof that Rangers ignored it and swept it under the carpet, they won’t be able to because it didn’t happen.

 

[Derta]

The way I read it was that the guy was only concerned about the boys . But what a terrible choice to have to make. Leave them alone over there or bring them home to their mum and Dad. I know what I’d have wanted if I was one of them.

Sorry have to totally disagree with that. He used the boys as an excuse to allow Cairney to get out of the states without the police arresting him.
He knew Cairney would have been in an American prison where he would have got a hefty sentence and Celtics name would have been linked worldwide to the filth that went on. That was his motivation not the boys imo.

 

[Tagsbear]

Folk adding Gerry McCann’s name to memes etc are doing more harm than good.

 

[top_cat]

Not saying they are all involved, but a common denominator in all pics. No smoke & all that.

That priest 2nd from the left...

 

[El Jock Grande Sabia]

Folk adding Gerry McCann’s name to memes etc are doing more harm than good.

I agree. He may be contemptible, but there is absolutely no evidence to link him to this. So far!

 

[jf1960]

Its really simple, there’s no evidence that any issues of a sexual nature were raised at the time.

With Neeley the issue that was raised was verbal abuse of a kid who happened to be a policeman’s son, he was fired and according to Rangers the police were informed. Now the Mark Daly documentary he did said the police have no record of this, which sounds ‘bad’, but how long do the police keep records of verbal abuse that no charges were raised over? Certainly not 20 years on which is when Daly asked.

There is also the story about the guy looking for compensation that was referred to the liquidators, now I personally thought that was dealt with shabbily, however the issue wasn’t raised at the time(not unusual of course), the accused is dead and was never convicted of anything whilst alive. No company, be it Rangers or the Samaritans is going to pay out money in those circumstances as they would open themselves up to anyone making the same claims. The difference with what Celtic are facing is that there are umpteen convictions, all of people working for them at the same time.


What they are deliberately ignoring is that its not about the fact these peple worm their way into organisations, as it can happen anywhere, the reason they’re up shit creek without a paddle is that not only was it raised at the time, they held ‘investigations’ and accused those raising it of spreading scurrilous rumours. They sacked a guy for being a sex case, didn’t tell the cops and then re-employed him.

Next time any of them confront you with this just tell them to show you proof that Rangers ignored it and swept it under the carpet, they won’t be able to because it didn’t happen.

You could show them the same as we do of them of photos of those convicted from Ibrox or Rangers and the numerous newspaper cutting of said accused appearing at court.
But unfortunately as far as I know none exist I'm no Colombo but even he would struggle to get a conviction with absolutely not one piece of evidence or you could just tell them to Fvck Off

 

[BluenoseAL]

Its really simple, there’s no evidence that any issues of a sexual nature were raised at the time.

With Neeley the issue that was raised was verbal abuse of a kid who happened to be a policeman’s son, he was fired and according to Rangers the police were informed. Now the Mark Daly documentary he did said the police have no record of this, which sounds ‘bad’, but how long do the police keep records of verbal abuse that no charges were raised over? Certainly not 20 years on which is when Daly asked.

There is also the story about the guy looking for compensation that was referred to the liquidators, now I personally thought that was dealt with shabbily, however the issue wasn’t raised at the time(not unusual of course), the accused is dead and was never convicted of anything whilst alive. No company, be it Rangers or the Samaritans is going to pay out money in those circumstances as they would open themselves up to anyone making the same claims. The difference with what Celtic are facing is that there are umpteen convictions, all of people working for them at the same time.


What they are deliberately ignoring is that its not about the fact these peple worm their way into organisations, as it can happen anywhere, the reason they’re up shit creek without a paddle is that not only was it raised at the time, they held ‘investigations’ and accused those raising it of spreading scurrilous rumours. They sacked a guy for being a sex case, didn’t tell the cops and then re-employed him.

Next time any of them confront you with this just tell them to show you proof that Rangers ignored it and swept it under the carpet, they won’t be able to because it didn’t happen.

cheers tags, much appreciated

 

[ShootYouDown]

It’s difficult to quantify because there could be a lot of merchandise and bits and bobs. The main question is why were they doing business with a man convicted of sexually abusing their young players. £1 or £1million, the amount doesn’t really matter, they continued to deal with the beast which kept the link and the door open for his return.

why did they do any business with the trophy centre in the first place? According to legend,Stein physically threw torbett out of Celtic in the early 70s,and the trophy centre business didn't start till 1980. Why would anyone deal with a known offender?. Off the record,everyone knew what he was and what he did. That picture going around showing McNeill,Stein and Torbett at a function is from around 75/76 a good three years after he was booted out,and 4 years before the trophy centre began.

 

[Tagsbear]

You could show them the same as we do of them of photos of those convicted from Ibrox or Rangers and the numerous newspaper cutting of said accused appearing at court.
But unfortunately as far as I know none exist I'm no Colombo but even he would struggle to get a conviction with absolutely not one piece of evidence or you could just tell them to Fvck Off

If there was any evidence of Rangers covering anything up it would have been exposed by now.

 

[Papasmurf]

If there was any evidence of Rangers covering anything up it would have been exposed by now.

It would have been the first defensive move from the scum.

 

[longtimedead]

It would have been the first defensive move from the scum.

... and the complicit media

 

[Rodney Wallace]

It’s difficult to quantify because there could be a lot of merchandise and bits and bobs. The main question is why were they doing business with a man convicted of sexually abusing their young players. £1 or £1million, the amount doesn’t really matter, they continued to deal with the beast which kept the link and the door open for his return.

Very good point... It is all sinister to say the least, however you cut the figures and look at it.

 

[Wilkinsvolley]

You could show them the same as we do of them of photos of those convicted from Ibrox or Rangers and the numerous newspaper cutting of said accused appearing at court.
But unfortunately as far as I know none exist I'm no Colombo but even he would struggle to get a conviction with absolutely not one piece of evidence or you could just tell them to Fvck Off

I’m Colombo. I found no link. Just one more thing, this big jock fellow did know.

 

[Craigie]

£1,000,000 is a tidy round sum of money. Pretty difficult to achieve when totting up 4 years worth of invoices and receipts I’d have thought. Some people think of hush money which is easy to believe as even the existence and reasons of these payments has been hushed up. Never questioned by any investigator neither police, HMRC, nor journalists.

It could be processed in a multitude of ways.

Easily accounted for as a four year contract in some way.