Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

FourMenHadADream said:
Thanks NN. That was my main driver for going public, to encourage as many victims as possible to come forward. Andy Woodward had just gone public and I thought it might encourage others to do so and to continue the positive momentum.
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Zander73 said:
I’m 47. Never done social media in my life. My dad,wife and children told me to go on FF but I just wanted to keep me to me as the things I’ve seen did mess with my head. I’ve got friends on here now( you know who I’m talking about pals). There are some brilliant people on here who have also experienced what I’ve been through and it’s nice to swap stories and talk.
I’m really glad I done it. We’re not a football support. We’re the biggest and best institution in the world and thank god I’m part of it.
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@FourMenHadADream & @Zander73
You are both a credit to yourselves and your families, and it is an honour to have guys like yourselves as part of our amazing Rangers Family.
There are so many posters on this forum who I admire and I enjoy their wisdom and insight.
But I have never been moved to commend other posters in the way I commend you guys. You both make me incredibly proud that I’m one of you; a follower of the famous Glasgow Rangers. A Bluenose.
If ever I am in the trenches, I’m coming looking for you !!
Godspeed brothers.
 
Cooper_11 said:
@FourMenHadADream & @Zander73
You are both a credit to yourselves and your families, and it is an honour to have guys like yourselves as part of our amazing Rangers Family.
There are so many posters on this forum who I admire and I enjoy their wisdom and insight.
But I have never been moved to commend other posters in the way I commend you guys. You both make me incredibly proud that I’m one of you; a follower of the famous Glasgow Rangers. A Bluenose.
If ever I am in the trenches, I’m coming looking for you !!
Godspeed brothers.
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Eloquently and emotionally put bud, brought a lump to my throat.
 
Cooper_11 said:
@FourMenHadADream & @Zander73
You are both a credit to yourselves and your families, and it is an honour to have guys like yourselves as part of our amazing Rangers Family.
There are so many posters on this forum who I admire and I enjoy their wisdom and insight.
But I have never been moved to commend other posters in the way I commend you guys. You both make me incredibly proud that I’m one of you; a follower of the famous Glasgow Rangers. A Bluenose.
If ever I am in the trenches, I’m coming looking for you !!
Godspeed brothers.
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Great post Coop.
 
Cooper_11 said:
@FourMenHadADream & @Zander73
You are both a credit to yourselves and your families, and it is an honour to have guys like yourselves as part of our amazing Rangers Family.
There are so many posters on this forum who I admire and I enjoy their wisdom and insight.
But I have never been moved to commend other posters in the way I commend you guys. You both make me incredibly proud that I’m one of you; a follower of the famous Glasgow Rangers. A Bluenose.
If ever I am in the trenches, I’m coming looking for you !!
Godspeed brothers.
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We definitely are the people my friend. Nobody will ever take that away from what we have. Many will try and be defeated. Biggest and best institution in the world.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
Can’t I watch the bastards suffer for a few years first Jwee?
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Haha, Best way to kill the snake that is celtic, is cut off it's head quickly, that way the feckers can't bite you in their death throes. That insidious club goes a lot of their mhanky hordes will fall away, Who wants to go see a new club with no history, but just a reincarnation of a club steeped in Paedophilia.
 
I was intrigued by the Lawrence Taggart murder but have forgotten much of the story over the years. I’ve done a bit of reading up on it recently and have summarised some of the key circumstances surrounding the murder and investigation which leaves me in no doubt that the case needs to be reinvestigated in order to establish if there were any links to McCafferty, others, and ‘the ring’…

Lawrence Haggart, 15, was attacked in the living room of his home on the night of 16th March 1996. He was bludgeoned and subjected to inhuman torture (including having his feet set on fire) and died from his injuries on 17th March. There were no signs of forced entry at the property.

Lawrence came through Celtic Boys Club and was signed by Tommy Burns as a Celtic F.C. Youth player. He was expected to sign senior terms the following December.

The lead up to the murder
  • Lawrence was coached by McCafferty (convicted paedophile) at Celtic Boys Club.
  • McCafferty was a regular visitor to the Haggart home and occasionally took Lawrence to football matches.
  • Around the time of the murder, McCafferty was subject of an investigation into allegations of indecency and growing rumours about his abuse of Celtic Boys Club players.
  • McCafferty phoned Lawrence’s house on the day of the murder.
The Investigation
  • Brian Beattie – a known local paedophile – was interviewed by police the day after the attack but ruled out as a suspect.
  • McCafferty was named as a suspect but was not pursued.
  • The home of Lawrence Haggart was searched by police 9 times between 17 March and 22 March and no murder weapon was found. On 22 March a detective searching the home ‘discovered’ a hammer in the kitchen (we are to believe that detectives failed to spot this during the 9 previous crime scene searches). This discovery supported a narrative being pushed by investigating officers that Lawrence’s younger brother Dennis had bludgeoned him and set him on fire through jealousy.
  • Some investigating officers were intent on framing Lawrence’s younger brother.
  • Lawrence had the number ‘110’ written on the palms of his hands and carved into his shoulder (likely done with a key). This has never been explained.
  • A few weeks after the murder, McCafferty left Celtic.
  • The carpet and couch from the living room where the attack happened was disposed of soon after the murder, with the agreement of the police. They had not been subjected to any detailed forensic examination.
  • 6 months after Lawrence’s murder, his dad Larry was furious at the lack of progress by police and vowed to ‘act alone’ to find out what happened.
  • On the first anniversary of Lawrence’s death, Detective Superintendent Joe Holden, who had recently taken charge of the case, said: "It is perfectly possible Lawrence knew his attacker, since there was no forced entry."
  • 19 months after the murder, police identified Brian Beattie as prime suspect. He was on remand for another, unconnected, offence at the time.
  • The case against Beattie depended on police evidence of Beattie confessing to the murder, however no confession was ever recorded and Beattie never signed confessions that had been written up by officers.
  • At Beattie’s trial, defence lawyer Mr Edgar Prais QC said "Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the defence calls the police liars."
  • The defence alleged that Beattie was beaten while in custody.
  • The defence said it was strange that when Beattie supposedly confessed, no tape recording was made.
  • The defence discussed forensic tests that were carried out in Scotland and by the FBI in Washington - in all tests, Beattie was eliminated from any connection with the murder scene.
  • Beattie was convicted of Lawrence’s murder in May 1998.
  • Following the conviction of Beattie, Assistant Chief Constable James Mackay was ordered to investigate the CID's conduct during the investigation.
  • For seven years, Mackay’s report was kept hidden – not even Lawrence Haggart’s family were allowed to see it. Lawrence's father Larry said: "We will not be told the outcome, which is shocking. "It's all cloak and dagger stuff. They don't want us to know what went on."
  • However, seven years after the report was hidden, FOI came into existence. Author Russell Findlay submitted a FOI request with the blessing of Lawrence’s dad Larry.
  • The report revealed that officers who has searched the house 9 times prior to 22 March were adamant there had been no hammer at the scene.
  • The report lists a catalogue of errors made by investigating officers, including: faking entries in an official diary of the murder inquiry; contaminating the crime scene; destroying evidence; losing a possible murder weapon.
  • The report concluded that the conduct of some officers was “allegedly criminal”.
  • The report criticised the inquiry head DS Jim Winning for not pursuing McCafferty as a suspect.
  • Not a single newspaper or broadcaster followed up the damning contents of the Mackay report.
  • Chief Insp Winning (in his late 40s), who led the initial investigation, was advised by both his GP and the force's own medical officer that he should retire immediately on health grounds. In doing so, Winning was exempt from prosecution for wrongdoing.
  • Two detective sergeants who worked on the original investigation were returned to unformed duties.
  • In January 1999, Beattie launched an appeal against his conviction. Beattie alleged the judge allowed certain evidence that was inadmissible. He also claims Lord Dawson misdirected the jury in his summing-up at the end of the four-week trial. Beattie's solicitor said the grounds for appeal included "information that was brought to our attention after the trial".
  • Beattie’s appeal was rejected. Following the appeal, the Lord Justice General, Lord Cullen, who heard the appeal with Lord Hamilton and Lady Cosgrove, said they had reservations over Lord Dawson's treatment of the police evidence during Beattie’s trial. However, no action was taken.
  • Over 20 years later, Beattie still claims he is innocent of Lawrence’s murder.
I’ve read a bit about Beattie’s background and there is no question he is a depraved beast of the worst kind. He had previous for breaking into the homes of teenage boys and assaulting them. But something is rank rotten with the whole Lawrence Haggart case. Given what is now known about McCafferty, there is clear cause for investigating what his involvement was, who else was involved, and which positions of power are implicated.[/QUOTE]

That is a great post. sickening reading. The corruption in this country is absolutely vile

  • Not a single newspaper or broadcaster followed up the damning contents of the Mackay report.

Hang you heads in shame you rotten cvnts. Surely Police Schotland will be all over this ....[/QUOTE]

I still dont understand why Tommy Burns was allowed into the bedside of that dying child. He was a victim of violent crime, everyone other than immediate family (even immediate family) could have had an impact on the investigation.
 
jweebear said:
Haha, Best way to kill the snake that is celtic, is cut off it's head quickly, that way the feckers can't bite you in their death throes. That insidious club goes a lot of their mhanky hordes will fall away, Who wants to go see a new club with no history, but just a reincarnation of a club steeped in Paedophilia.
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I’ve never hated them like I do now mate. They absolutely disgust me as a club.

And what infuriates me most is the way others don’t seem to see what we do. Drives me mad Jwee.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
I’ve never hated them like I do now mate. They absolutely disgust me as a club.

And what infuriates me most is the way others don’t seem to see what we do. Drives me mad Jwee.
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Me too Grigo, nothing to do with Catholicism and everything to do with their Republican, 19th Century Terrorist, SNP Nationalist bile and their attempts to destroy Scotland, Britain and our club. They are a plague on this country and i would happily deport everyone last fecking one of the scum, preferably to Afghanistan, but their home country of choice would do almost as well.
 
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Grigo Yossarian said:
I’ve never hated them like I do now mate. They absolutely disgust me as a club.

And what infuriates me most is the way others don’t seem to see what we do. Drives me mad Jwee.
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Growing up in the east end of Glasgow (I think you’re an eastender as well @Grigo Yossarian) they always did give me the boak. They were unscrupulous, clatty tramps back then; educationally challenged and odious in the extreme. All of them. But I tended to see them as harmless clowns back then.
I never had the hatred for them then that I feel now. They were front and centre of the attempted murder of our club, and for that I will despise them til I shuffle off this Earth. They are evil, putrid, rancid scum who should be kicked out of football for facilitating and covering up paedophilia. What a filthy stain they have left on our nation.
 
I still dont understand why Tommy Burns was allowed into the bedside of that dying child. He was a victim of violent crime, everyone other than immediate family (even immediate family) could have had an impact on the investigation.
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Probably to maintain “the good name of the club”
 
Cooper_11 said:
Growing up in the east end of Glasgow (I think you’re an eastender as well @Grigo Yossarian) they always did give me the boak. They were unscrupulous, clatty tramps back then; educationally challenged and odious in the extreme. All of them. But I tended to see them as harmless clowns back then.
I never had the hatred for them then that I feel now. They were front and centre of the attempted murder of our club, and for that I will despise them til I shuffle off this Earth. They are evil, putrid, rancid scum who should be kicked out of football for facilitating and covering up paedophilia. What a filthy stain they have left on our nation.
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Yep mate. As a Barlanark boy I wasn’t too far away. In fact I was close enough to smell the jungle :p:p
And growing up in the east end back then & getting doings off of ***s 3 & 4 years older than me because even at 9 I was deemed ‘a dirty wee orange bastard’ I was never gonna like them :cool:
But as you do eloquently say ( you sure you’re from the east end ? :D:D ) the last few years have taken my view on the club & it’s hordes to a whole new level. I also hate my own country for what they have allowed the place to become Coop.
As we sing i’m ‘a Ranger till I die’ but my hatred for that club & everything around it grows by the day.
Despite that it’ll never match my love for Rangers Football Club. My first love & Everything that is good in my country of United Kingdom.
 
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Cooper_11 said:
Growing up in the east end of Glasgow (I think you’re an eastender as well @Grigo Yossarian) they always did give me the boak. They were unscrupulous, clatty tramps back then; educationally challenged and odious in the extreme. All of them. But I tended to see them as harmless clowns back then.
I never had the hatred for them then that I feel now. They were front and centre of the attempted murder of our club, and for that I will despise them til I shuffle off this Earth. They are evil, putrid, rancid scum who should be kicked out of football for facilitating and covering up paedophilia. What a filthy stain they have left on our nation.
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As a kid I was brought up 10 minutes away from the Piggery, and the degenerate filth staggering around back then that supported them are no different to today, and ensured I travelled across the city to watch Rangers. There really was no choice.
 
muttley said:
As a kid I was brought up 10 minutes away from the Piggery, and the degenerate filth staggering around back then that supported them are no different to today, and ensured I travelled across the city to watch Rangers. There really was no choice.
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Me too bud born on the Gallowgate near the corner at Belgrove and Abercrombie Street. Used to play in the big graveyard next to the Piggery.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
Yep mate. As a Barlanark boy I wasn’t too far away. In fact I was close enough to smell the jungle :p:p
And growing up in the east end back then & getting doings off of ***s 3 & 4 years older than me because even at 9 I was deemed ‘a dirty wee orange bastard’ I was never gonna like them :cool:
But as you do eloquently say ( you sure you’re from the easy end ? :D:D ) the last few years have taken my view on the club & it’s hordes to a whole new level. I also hate my own country for what they have allowed the place to become Coop.
As we sing i’m ‘a Ranger till I die’ but my hatred for that club & everything around it grows by the day.
Despite that it’ll never match my love for Rangers Football Club. My first love & Everything that is good in my country of United Kingdom.
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I was just the other side of Edinburgh Road in Wellhouse GY, which was a predominately Loyalist area back in the seventies and eighties. I went to Wellhouse Primary and Cranhill Secondary, and I still remember us all wearing our Rangers scarfs to school (nobody wore a uniform at Cranhill).
I left school aged 17 to go and serve my country in 1983, but left with memories of a True Blue scheme and all those great victories over Barlanark on that big football pitch of yours :D
I agree with you wholeheartedly when you describe your love for our club will always dwarf the hatred and disdain that I have for the vile institution at Kerrydale Street.
 
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jweebear said:
Me too Grigo, nothing to do with Catholicism and everything to do with their Republican, 19th Century Terrorist, SNP Nationalist bile and their attempts to destroy Scotland, Britain and our club. They are a plague on this country and i would happily deport everyone fecking one of the scum, preferably to Afghanistan, but their home country of choice would do almost as well.
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I’m on the same page as you @jweebear
I think I actually feel sorry for most rank and file Catholics. They are merely brainwashed pawns in a vile cult, conditioned from an early age to fall in line and not to question the cult, even when evil deeds are being done.
Republicans and Republicanism is a horse of a different colour. I will stand against Republicanism wherever it raises its treacherous head. Their whole modus operandi is to poison the well of our nation.
They can go home any time. We don’t want them and we certainly don’t need them. They are vile.
 
SenoraCuellar said:
But it was a serious criminal investigation, soon to be murder enquiry. The lad himself would be evidence yet Burns was allowed beside him. The coppers were either incompetent or at it.
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It stinks to high heaven @SenoraCuellar
The case should be forensically revisited for so many reasons. Not least the fact that McCafferty phoned the lad’s house that day.
I’m convinced the murder of young Lawrence is tied up in the cover up of the Celtic Paedophile Ring.
 
https://www.andrew-drummond.com/201...oldie-aka-goudie-bounces-back-in-celtic-park/

Come on Andrew. There are bigger and better stories to be told of goings on at that place.

And while we’re at it, how about using contacts in Thailand to publicise those goings on to the parents of the Thai Tims? I’m sure, even in spite of their perceived status gain, those parents and the authorities will view the Tims paedophile ring very dimly indeed.
 
Cooper_11 said:
I was just the other side of Edinburgh Road in Wellhouse GY, which was a predominately Loyalist area back in the seventies and eighties. I went to Wellhouse Primary and Cranhill Secondary, and I still remember us all wearing our Rangers scarfs to school (nobody wore a uniform at Cranhill).
I left Wellhouse aged 17 to go and serve my country in 1983, but left with memories of a True Blue scheme and all those great victories over Barlanark on that big football pitch of yours :D
I agree with you wholeheartedly when you describe your love for our club will always dwarf the hatred and disdain that I have for the vile institution at Kerrydale Street.
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I went to Cranhill too. Was the captain of the school team. Loved it. We won the league in 74/75. The other teams were all Tims

You guys never beat us at my age. We had a right good school team at Barlanark. Must have went downhill when I left mate :D:D
jweebear said:
Looks like i'm much older than you at 62, i lived in Easterhouse and Cranhill, too.
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I’m 57 now Jwee, so a few years in it.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
Very heartfelt post mate. It’s so good to hear that ULTIMATELY your family managed to get through it, but your point about how it was at risk of destroying your unit was absolutely on the button & totally understandable.

And these animals don’t consider things like that.
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Thanks Grigo.

We are gradually witnessing the exposure of child abuse being conducted on an industrial scale at that rancid club. This has only been made possible by extremely brave people having the courage to speak out.

With very few exceptions, they have had next to zero support from the very people who should be there to help them - the club, the police, the politicians and the media. As the pressure mounts and the media are left with no option but to report the facts, we will see the rats begin to jump ship.

Just as the perpetrators face justice, the deflectors and apologists should be called out and held to account. Let there be no hiding place for them, let their dastardly deeds shame them forever.

As for the club, I don't give a f*ck. Destroyed from within by their own. Not one single voice from within, having the the courage to break ranks, tell the truth and stand with the victims and their families. Once every last victim has been compensated and every last reputation destroyed. I'll be happy for history to be their judge.
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
I went to Cranhill too. Was the captain of the school team. Loved it. We won the league in 74/75. The other teams were all Tims

You guys never beat us at my age. We had a right good school team at Barlanark. Must have went downhill when I left mate :D:D


I’m 57 now Jwee, so a few years in it.
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Private messaged you bud in a conversation.
 
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