Celtic fc seeking to settle boys club sex abuse cases

insanicdrunk said:
Can you get a policy that covers you if you need to pay out for child abuse?
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Probably not these days as no insurer will offer this. If they do, it will be at high cost, with a high excess and low limit

Certain businesses will have no chance
 
SpandauBear said:
I really hope that is the case.

I just find the part that Valley Bluenose highlighted about Thompson's being pleased to confirm celtic's willingness to settle the case a bit unnerving, but maybe I'm reading too much into that (perhaps Thompsons are pleased with this as celtic's intention signals that they know they are in trouble as the evidence is overwhelming).

At the end of the day, Thompon's can't tell the claimants what to do, and the victims will decide for themselves. I do wonder though what would happen to the class action if the opinions are split among the claimants.
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I just seen it on the news and I did see Mark Daly reading out the Thompson's statement but, Id like to think that they are negotiating a cash settlement and for Celtic to admit liability or really what has the point been in this?

To get some cash but no see those that abused these victim be punished?

Celtic Must be made to face justice and I hope to god that at least a few of those involved in this say no thanks, Id rather have no cash and see Celtic have to admit they failed me as a child and admit their liability and then with that the SFA have to punish them.

I want to see Stein removed from the SFA hall of fame and Celtic lose their sponsors but most importantly, I want to see the victims get some closure and get some peace of mind back.
 
You don’t pay if you’re innocent. A dark day for Celtic waking up to their decades of sexual abuse of children in their club.

Every ground Celtic go to they’ll be taunted for this.
 
PaisleyBlueBear said:
What’s the claims worth then??????
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I believe your assertion was that 20 victims would get about £50,000 and you then went on to say £2m ‘job done’.
If you do multiplication of the sums above, it comes to £1m!!!

I’m not exactly sure, but I think there’s about 30 claimants.
Depending on the severity of their abuse, I suspect the sums would be going from something like a minimum of £150,000 up to a maximum of £1m.

If there was an average of say £300,000, then it would be somewhere around £9m with a couple of million on top in legal costs.

That would be 1/4 of the profit they made in the last financial year.
 
captcaveman said:
I just seen it on the news and I did see Mark Daly reading out the Thompson's statement but, Id like to think that they are negotiating a cash settlement and for Celtic to admit liability or really what has the point been in this?

To get some cash but no see those that abused these victim be punished?

Celtic Must be made to face justice and I hope to god that at least a few of those involved in this say no thanks, Id rather have no cash and see Celtic have to admit they failed me as a child and admit their liability and then with that the SFA have to punish them.

I want to see Stein removed from the SFA hall of fame and Celtic lose their sponsors but most importantly, I want to see the victims get some closure and get some peace of mind back.
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Easy for you to say on the internet.

Suspect it’s not so simple for the victims.
 
Delboy1962 said:
We're not admitting guilt,,but here's money to go away and keep quiet about it ! :mad:
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The cynic in me thinks you are right. :(

If there is to be an apology it would not surprise it's mealy mouthed, conditional on an NDA being signed with no further action possible by anyone else etc

And seen the tweet in another post that they are already twisting it as the club upholding their history of doing the right thing for the downtrodden etc.

Make me want to puke.
 
toobl said:
You are wrong mate. Depending on the 'trigger' on the policy it is the policy in force at the time the act took place that pays. Think of industrial disease, asbestosis, etc. Certain other policies may also respond if their retroactive date goes back far enough.

Also, think of policy wordings in place at the time. These will not have excluded abuse.

Celtic's insurers will be all over this. This will not be Celtic's decision, this will be their legal & insurers advice to look to settle.
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Fair enough mate, I’m not as clued up on insurance policies. I just thought retrospective criminal activities would be a non-starter.
 
muttley said:
The piggery should have been closed down long ago, mate. But who in Scottish football or the media will utter a squeak for sanctions against that mob, like the roar that went up against us in the bloodlust of 2012. ?
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I feel for the victims and I'll understand that the money is a comfort I just hope it comes with an official admission of guilt for their sake.

Hate knowing they will just get away with it
 
It's a tough one. On the one hand, as someone unaffected but appalled by what has happened, I want the club to be held liable, financially, reputationally and to suffer the consequences of where this liability takes them.

But, for the victims, so much more to take into account, does the payout satisfy them? Do they want an apology and the club found guilty? Does either give them closure? Do they want to relive the trauma again in open court? And a million other questions that only the victims/survivors will have.

I hope at the end, each person and their family who have been affected by this can look back and feel that they made the right choice, whatever that may be.
 
toobl said:
Do you understand insurance?

The insured will be Celtic. Not every one of their employees. Who committed the act of abuse? The persons convicted. Who is being sued? Celtic

If I run a business and an employee sets fire to my building, or steals from me or vandalises my premises, can I insure against this? Absolutely
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If you protected and covered up the act by your employee, they still paying out?
 
Funny how allegations against russell brand, who im not defending or sympathizing with but are all only peoples word against his, will ruin his career. But they are allowed to continue to operate where we know know they did abuse children and now are essentially admitting it.
 
re NDAs - would Celtic really go after a victim who spoke out after a payout ?

Or would the payments be over multiple years to "discourage" such NDA breaking..?
 
SpandauBear said:
This is what I think as well.

I hope I am wrong, as I want to see proper justice served, and I hate being pessimistic, but my guess is none of the evidence and testimony gathered over the years will see the light of day.

I wouldn't blame the victims or their families if they decided to accept compensation. Ultimately it is for the victims to decide what they are willing to accept, and I can't begin to imagine how hard it must be for them to see this drag on for years without the guarantee of seeing the justice they crave.

A big offer in exchange for silence may therefore be too lucrative to decline for some depending on circumstances - and that horrible club will be well aware for that.
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I think that you hit the nail on the head when you mention the evidence and testimony gathered over the years will not see the light of day for by attempting to settle out of court to me is an admission of guilt by celtic and the last thing that celtic will want is this evidence to come into the public domain.
It would seem that celtic have been told by their lawyers that they are onto plums basically and by going to court they run the risk of this evidence becoming public and people from celtic would have to take the stand and face questions under oath which are liable to show celtic in a bad light ????? .
Whatever happens I hope that it is for the best for the poor souls involved in this horrible episode
 
Jlakeman said:
I feel for the victims and I'll understand that the money is a comfort I just hope it comes with an official admission of guilt for their sake.

Hate knowing they will just get away with it
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I just want the many victims to finally receive justice and peace of mind. As for Scottish football, they will do nothing to sanction that criminal paedo ring posing as a football club.
 
Its not about the money, until a cheque is placed under your nose.

Who would blame any of the victims for accepting a settlement? I certainly wouldn't.

I hope Thompsons tell them to hold off and fight for the money and the acceptance of liability and apology.

But I suspect they won't, in their eyes it will be job done in the court of public opinion, the victims get money, anonymity and they get their big pay day.
 
“Settle out of court” One of the many cop outs of the legal system.
This enables Celtic FC to proclaim their innocence from the roof tops, while at the same time, for some strange reason, avoid facing the evidence and scrutiny of a court case.
It becomes clear that their legal advice runs contrary to their public and mendacious statements over the years.
Season ticket holders will, of course question the use of ‘transfer money’ being put to the use of paying out victims of sexual abuse, which they’ve been told for years, either didn’t happen and/or was nothing to do with Celtic FC.
I’m sure that BBC Scotland will be anxious to delve into this, should any offer of settlement be accepted.
Looks to me that Celtic are flying a kite to see, yet again, what they can get away with, and the cover up can continue.
 
Hap Hapablap said:
Its not about the money, until a cheque is placed under your nose.

Who would blame any of the victims for accepting a settlement? I certainly wouldn't.

I hope Thompsons tell them to hold off and fight for the money and the acceptance of liability and apology.

But I suspect they won't, in their eyes it will be job done in the court of public opinion, the victims get money, anonymity and they get their big pay day.
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Thats what I am hoping for as Celtic have to be made to accept liability
 
Ross said:
Last payout was £500k. Why would anyone entertain anyless?
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They will try to keep the cost down on the thinking the survivors want recognition, want to avoid the stress of court and will be happy with 100k.

If it goes up to a £12.5m total pay out (£500k each) then they have the money in the bank to take that hit.
 
Cyberniv said:
“Settle out of court” One of the many cop outs of the legal system.
This enables Celtic FC to proclaim their innocence from the roof tops, while at the same time, for some strange reason, avoid facing the evidence and scrutiny of a court case.
It becomes clear that their legal advice runs contrary to their public and mendacious statements over the years.
Season ticket holders will, of course question the use of ‘transfer money’ being put to the use of paying out victims of sexual abuse, which they’ve been told for years, either didn’t happen and/or was nothing to do with Celtic FC.
I’m sure that BBC Scotland will be anxious to delve into this, should any offer of settlement be accepted.
Looks to me that Celtic are flying a kite to see, yet again, what they can get away with, and the cover up can continue.
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Their season ticket holders will say nothing. No boat rocking will be done. This settlement will happen and every single one of them from the top of the tree to the slophouses will sing from the same hymn sheet.
 
insanicdrunk said:
Can you get a policy that covers you if you need to pay out for child abuse?
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I'm struggling to see how they could make a claim anyway considering that they are maintaining that they are a "seperate entity".
The liability etc according to them lies with someone else's actions and they are making a clear statement that they are not liable.
If they did make a claim. Then would they not have to, as the claimant, outline in what way they as policy holders were obliged, culpable or responsible to make a compensatory payment.
They are doing everything but.
 
Coisty09 said:
You are missing the point of why Celtic are discussing settlement.
The courts have nothing to do with the decision if individual victims decide to settle for compensation.
In return, the victims would have to agree to Celtic not admitting liability or apologizing.
That would be a private nondisclosure agreement between the parties.
A benefit to Celtic would be that they could argue to their sponsors they had done nothing wrong, but had acted honorably by paying compensation to those who were affected by people outwith their control.
The benefit to the victims is that they don’t have to go to court to relive their traumatic experience, and they get paid a sizable sum of money and recognition of what they went through.
Unfortunately, no court can interfere in a private settlement agreed between parties.
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I'm not missing the point at all .I've maybe mistaken the power of the courts or the procedure , and even if i I have its irrelevant and not something worth highlighting in the manner you have.My point was /is. they are discussing settlement because they know if it went to court because the victims rejected it they would be bang to rights, and have been advised they would lose , and anything you have said in your post is common knowledge. They cannot afford to be contracting any criminality to the club's name.and as I said previously Lawwell must be shiting himself especially with his new UEFA appointment ,and any damaging court battles would not be beneficial to his new position in UEFA. or SFA/SPFL ( not that they would act ) with his odious club bringing the game into disrepute, as if they haven't done that for the last sixty years..
 
You have to agree with the thought they know they are losing to come up with an out of court offer. Tell me your guilty without telling me your guilty kind of thing.

If we were a normal country they'd be hounded out of business for the perpetual lie of what they were, and are which is the same thing.
 
Does the group have to accept as one unit, or can each individual decline offers?
 
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