Celtic finances

Is there even evidence of this . Yes it looks like a shitehole but evidence it will need major work even if it remains a eyesore
There was a thread years ago on here that you might remember. ( someone I'm sure will remember or dig it out )

IIR there was a structural engineer on the thread slating the spend & construction of the project who was involved.

I have no direct evidence either way but having worked in the industry for decades & been in the away end at the san giro many times since reconstruction, my hunch on said shit-hole is it's days are numbered before proper investment is a necessity.
 
total7.304.774,00 €
matches190.000,00 €
570.000,00 €
redistributed draws41.864,00 €
participation280.000,00 €
380.000,00 €
280.000,00 €
2.920.000,00 €
ten-year coefficient2.642.910,00 €

In comparison, so far we have:

total9.144.628,00 €
matches570.000,00 €
190.000,00 €
570.000,00 €
190.000,00 €
570.000,00 €
570.000,00 €
redistributed draws167.458,00 €
participation260.000,00 €
280.000,00 €
2.920.000,00 €
500.000,00 €
first place EL group1.000.000,00 €
ten-year coefficient1.357.170,00 €

Redistributed market pool has still to be calculated and will be added at the end of the tournament.
Thanks.

Christ. Doesn’t seem right. They barely won a point, we didn’t lose a game. And we’re only 2mil better off so far.

Whats this redistributed market pool stuff?
 
Thanks.

Christ. Doesn’t seem right. They barely won a point, we didn’t lose a game. And we’re only 2mil better off so far.

Whats this redistributed market pool stuff?
The 10 year co-efficient in the figures I posted screws us, due to the years we never competed in UEFA competitions, but should improve year on year.

How the redistributed market pool and the above figures for last year are worked out, are shown on the below link. Good luck making sense of it. Lol.

How clubs' 2019/20 UEFA Europa League revenue is shared | UEFA Europa League | UEFA.com
 
The 10 year co-efficient in the figures I posted screws us, due to the years we never competed in UEFA competitions, but should improve year on year.

How the redistributed market pool and the above figures for last year are worked out, are shown on the below link. Good luck making sense of it. Lol.

How clubs' 2019/20 UEFA Europa League revenue is shared | UEFA Europa League | UEFA.com
That’s just UEFA keeping the big boys on top.

If they have a good coefficient over the last 10 years, it’s because they won lots of games and lots of prize money over each of those 10 seasons. Do they really need to be rewarded twice for something they did in the past. In fact they benefit for 10 subsequent years off of each good year.

Oh you did well 7, 8, 9, or 10 years ago so we’ll give you more money in this coming year. Fucks that about?

Not about us and them here. That’s nigh on corrupt from UEFA.

Edit: Take that 10 year bs away and increase prize monies for current season. More money per win etc. Especially in Europa which is ridiculously underfunded compared to the CL.
 
Oh, and how fucking sick will they be seeing and hearing the champions league theme at Ibrox next year after they shat the bed the last few years
we could offer them 50 quid for the champions league disco lights, cause there not gonnae need them ;-)))))))
 
I believe this 100%. They are driven by hatred of Rangers rather than love of Celtic. If they found themselves going through what we went through I'm convinced they wouldn't be pulling the crowds that we did.
The loyalty of the fans through our dark days was astonishing. I am an armchair fan now after many years a ST holder and have been to the European games with my son to get him hooked. The folk who went home and away during the climb back are legends in my book. Every bloody one of them. Well done bears. We deserve this. You deserve this.
 
That’s just UEFA keeping the big boys on top.

If they have a good coefficient over the last 10 years, it’s because they won lots of games and lots of prize money over each of those 10 seasons. Do they really need to be rewarded twice for something they did in the past. In fact they benefit for 10 subsequent years off of each good year.

Oh you did well 7, 8, 9, or 10 years ago so we’ll give you more money in this coming year. Fucks that about?

Not about us and them here. That’s nigh on corrupt from UEFA.

Edit: Take that 10 year bs away and increase prize monies for current season. More money per win etc. Especially in Europa which is ridiculously underfunded compared to the CL.
It is a total carve up. If you take Real Madrid for example... they get the 15 million starting fee for the Champions League and a ten year coefficient bonus of 35 million.

50 million before they even kick a ball!

If we make it next season, we will likely get around 4.5 to 5 million for our ten year coefficient and the starting fee of around 15 million. Absolutely massive for us as a club if we can manage it.

Position for team in ten-year period coefficient rankingteam528 parts (100%)€585m
1. positionReal Madrid (380.000)32 parts€1.108m x 32 = €35.456m
2. positionBayern München (318.000)31 parts€1.108m x 31 = €34.348m
3. positionBarcelona (314.000)30 parts€1.108m x 30 = €33.24m
4. positionAtlético Madrid (236.000)29 parts€1.108m x 29 = €32.132m
5. positionChelsea FC (225.000)28 parts€1.108m x 28 = €31.024m
6. positionJuventus (215.000)27 parts€1.108m x 27 = €29.916m
7. positionManchester United (211.000)26 parts€1.108m x 26 = €28.808m
8. positionParis Saint-Germain (205.000)25 parts€1.108m x 25 = €27.7m
9. positionFC Porto (190.000)24 parts€1.108m x 24 = €26.592m
10. positionManchester City (188.000)23 parts€1.108m x 23 = €25.484m
11. positionBorussia Dortmund (178.000)22 parts€1.108m x 22 = €24.376m
12. positionSevilla (176.500)21 parts€1.108m x 21 = €23.268m
13. positionLiverpool (170.000)20 parts€1.108m x 20 = €22.16m
14. positionShakhtar Donetsk (164.000)19 parts€1.108m x 19 = €21.052m
15. positionAFC Ajax (149.500)18 parts€1.108m x 18 = €19.944m
16. positionZenit St. Petersburg (146.000)17 parts€1.108m x 17 = €18.836m
17. positionInter Milán (128.000)16 parts€1.108m x 16 = €17.728m
18. positionDynamo Kyiv (113.000)15 parts€1.108m x 15 = €16.62m
19. positionOlympiacos FC (99.000)14 parts€1.108m x 14 = €15.512m
20. positionFC Salzburg (91.500)13 parts€1.108m x 13 = €14.404m
 
It is a total carve up. If you take Real Madrid for example... they get the 15 million starting fee for the Champions League and a ten year coefficient bonus of 35 million.

50 million before they even kick a ball!

If we make it next season, we will likely get around 4.5 to 5 million for our ten year coefficient and the starting fee of around 15 million. Absolutely massive for us as a club if we can manage it.

Position for team in ten-year period coefficient rankingteam528 parts (100%)€585m
1. positionReal Madrid (380.000)32 parts€1.108m x 32 = €35.456m
2. positionBayern München (318.000)31 parts€1.108m x 31 = €34.348m
3. positionBarcelona (314.000)30 parts€1.108m x 30 = €33.24m
4. positionAtlético Madrid (236.000)29 parts€1.108m x 29 = €32.132m
5. positionChelsea FC (225.000)28 parts€1.108m x 28 = €31.024m
6. positionJuventus (215.000)27 parts€1.108m x 27 = €29.916m
7. positionManchester United (211.000)26 parts€1.108m x 26 = €28.808m
8. positionParis Saint-Germain (205.000)25 parts€1.108m x 25 = €27.7m
9. positionFC Porto (190.000)24 parts€1.108m x 24 = €26.592m
10. positionManchester City (188.000)23 parts€1.108m x 23 = €25.484m
11. positionBorussia Dortmund (178.000)22 parts€1.108m x 22 = €24.376m
12. positionSevilla (176.500)21 parts€1.108m x 21 = €23.268m
13. positionLiverpool (170.000)20 parts€1.108m x 20 = €22.16m
14. positionShakhtar Donetsk (164.000)19 parts€1.108m x 19 = €21.052m
15. positionAFC Ajax (149.500)18 parts€1.108m x 18 = €19.944m
16. positionZenit St. Petersburg (146.000)17 parts€1.108m x 17 = €18.836m
17. positionInter Milán (128.000)16 parts€1.108m x 16 = €17.728m
18. positionDynamo Kyiv (113.000)15 parts€1.108m x 15 = €16.62m
19. positionOlympiacos FC (99.000)14 parts€1.108m x 14 = €15.512m
20. positionFC Salzburg (91.500)13 parts€1.108m x 13 = €14.404m
What a joke.

Could spread that hundreds of millions out over the current years win bonuses which would be much fairer and maintain actual competition. Real could lose every game in this seasons competition and earn more than anyone competing in the Europa League this year almost regardless of their performances. Nonsense. Unfortunately. Thanks for the info
 
Based on what we know (and ignoring the speculation), they're in a bit of a mess.

Firstly, we know they don't have covid insurance. Therefore they'll be feeling the pain of not having 50-60k fans at their midden 22 or so times a year (domestically, including cups). BAd, but not terrible since many of these would have been ST holders so they have the ticket money but still lose out on the additionals such as food, etc. They will be feeling the pain of an awful European run, not qualifying for the CL and then only gaining 4 points in the EL means a relative pittance in prize money. Plus missing out on the full benefit of 55k fans for each home game (although they're not alone in this).

So their revenue will be down considerably, even on the previous season when it wasn't great.

Then look at costs. Their wage bill will likely be down slightly since they won't be paying CL qualification bonuses, League cup or league championship winning bonuses to the squad but will need to shell out bonuses for winning the delayed SC. On the flipside is that they recruited a number of players in the summer who will be on decent money each week. So even though bonus payments will be down, their overall wage costs may be roughly similar to before.

As mentioned above, they spent a lot of money in the summer which will be reflected in their next accounts. In 2019/20 they spent around £20m across 2 windows and received £25m for biscuit hips - a net spend of £5m. Since last summer they have spent another £12m and have yet to receive a penny for any player - a net spend of £12m with no immediate prospect of improving on that. They may sell players in the summer but they will have to replace them and in addition will lose regular first team starters in Elyanoussi, Laxalt and Duffy (hahaha!!) AND will obviously have to upgrade on those who remain as they aren't good enough to win the league. So they have a big, big rebuild on the horizon, plus their main assets (McGregor, Christie, Edouard, Ajer) are all coming into the final year of their contracts so their transfer value will begin to plummet at the same time as the world enters year 2 of covid and most clubs will be looking to tighten their belts. It is reasonable to assume that many clubs would postpone signings to the following summer to get them on a Bosman instead of paying a transfer fee to get the player a year early. Plus they'll need to pay off Lennon and his crew and probably pay compensation to get their next manager, which won't come cheap if they want someone decent.

Trying to put figures on this is obviously difficult, but let's make some reasonable assumptions. Revenue down by £10m, wages maybe down by £2m, transfer net spend up by £7m. That's a loss of £15m right there, and I think that's quite conservative. We're then into the realms of speculation for what they could get for sales in the summer and what they'd need to spend, but it's probably not unreasonable to assume they'd need to find £20m over and above whatever they receive in order to build the squad back up. This is then on top of a probable collapse in ST sales - we've seen in the recent past how fickle their "supporters" are and losing the Ten will see a decent number turn their backs on their team.

Finally, on top of all of this there are 2 speculative areas of concern for them. Firstly, their stadium is coming to then end of it's scheduled lifespan but this may be more long-term and they could kick that can down the road. then there is the paedophile claims making their way through the courts, but we have no way of telling how this will turn out and how much they might have to pay. However, it must be of conern to those in charge at the club because worst-case scenario is a hefty compo bill (poss £20m) plus massive reputational and PR damage which would see their sponsors running for the hills.

They are far from finished but if we continue doing the right things then we could shortly be sitting very pretty with a big advantage over them for a number of years to come.
Good analysis. Only issue is that player purchase costs are amortised over the length of their contact. (Eg Barkas at £5m cost [not including wages] will reflect in the accounts as a cost of £1.25m each year for 4 years). Player sales however are included in the year if sale.
 
Which investors are putting money into celtic?
Exactly that. Balance sheet for have decisions to make.

I never said they had investors. I was highlighting that we already have several committed to investing & Celtic now need to secure funding from somewhere to rebuild as I don't see them cashing in on any of the current lot.
 
Exactly that. Balance sheet for have decisions to make.

I never said they had investors. I was highlighting that we already have several committed to investing & Celtic now need to secure funding from somewhere to rebuild as I don't see them cashing in on any of the current lot.
They'll do it through a combination of selling and downsizing in terms of wages etc imo.
 
What a joke.

Could spread that hundreds of millions out over the current years win bonuses which would be much fairer and maintain actual competition. Real could lose every game in this seasons competition and earn more than anyone competing in the Europa League this year almost regardless of their performances. Nonsense. Unfortunately. Thanks for the info
No worries. You can find that on the Football Coefficient site here...

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/money/#money-club
 
I see nonsense about them having superior resources meaning all they have to do is buy players in summer to dominate the game. We’ve had pandemic insurance payments and expect more. They’ll be chasing their new top man down the road when they realise how far they’ve slipped. Won’t bother with another thread so I’ll stick this in here.


 
They've made a f1ck up. Pumping high wages on overated players. The money they have gained as gone on high wages and covering loss

Not qualifying for the champions league as hit them too. We have once again made more cash from Europe. So its eventually closes the gap. If we keep our recruitment strategy sensible and qualify for the champions league our financial state will be well above.
 
Selling three first team players with four months of the season still to play is hardly an indication of the massive resources they claim to have.

3 already away, Ajer, Chirsite and Eduoard sold for knockdown prices in the summer with all having less than 12 months on their contracts, 4 loan players leaving and 3 hopeless keepers who will need replacing.

That's almost an entirely new starting 11 they need to find with zero chance of champions league football and potentially no Europa league either.

They still don't even know who the manager will be yet.
 
Selling three first team players with four months of the season still to play is hardly an indication of the massive resources they claim to have.

3 already away, Ajer, Chirsite and Eduoard sold for knockdown prices in the summer with all having less than 12 months on their contracts, 4 loan players leaving and 3 hopeless keepers who will need replacing.

That's almost an entirely new starting 11 they need to find with zero chance of champions league football and potentially no Europa league either.

They still don't even know who the manager will be yet.
Don’t forget a captain who will want a new contract despite now not being a regular and the junkie they pay to be fit for 30 min a game 3 months into the season.
 
Don’t forget a captain who will want a new contract despite now not being a regular and the junkie they pay to be fit for 30 min a game 3 months into the season.

Indeed Griffiths, Rogic and Ajeti are complete crocks who need replacing as well. Don't think any of them have completed a full 90 minutes between them so far this season.

Have a feeling punchbag Brown might stay around in a player coach type role.
 
Partly correct, but Murray was very good at getting hard cash in whilst retaining complete control.

over an 10 year period he got

£20m from Dave King

£40m from Joe Lewis (Enic)

£18m from JD Sports

£10m from McLager (£1m annual sponsorship)

An astonishing amount of cash for almost 25 years ago. In addition he developed and sold the Catering Company (Azure) leaving us tied to a deal for 20 years IIRC

Plus he developed the ticket company from Edmiston house with John MacLelland. I think it was sold for a large sum. We ended up with our ticket office in Portacabins. Can’t remember the name of it?

Then there was the sale and lease back of Albion Car Park.

We were all too happy winning the leagues, trebles and basically dominating the game to listen to all the warning signs. In fact anyone, like The RST or Hugh Adams, who tried to criticise Murray was ridiculed and ostracised.

we can only hope that’s what’s coming for the mob across the city. It certainly won’t be easy to get hard cash into their club in the next few years.
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Realistically, starting next season they'll have

3 dud keepers

Julien
Taylor

Mcgregor
Turbull
Soro

Klimala
Ajeti
Junkie

As the basis of the squad. Ajer, edouard Christie sold, 4 loans going back.

Make no mistake, they have a big rebuild.

As pedro said, the end of the cycle.
 
There was a thread years ago on here that you might remember. ( someone I'm sure will remember or dig it out )

IIR there was a structural engineer on the thread slating the spend & construction of the project who was involved.

I have no direct evidence either way but having worked in the industry for decades & been in the away end at the san giro many times since reconstruction, my hunch on said shit-hole is it's days are numbered before proper investment is a necessity.

 
Selling three first team players with four months of the season still to play is hardly an indication of the massive resources they claim to have.

3 already away, Ajer, Chirsite and Eduoard sold for knockdown prices in the summer with all having less than 12 months on their contracts, 4 loan players leaving and 3 hopeless keepers who will need replacing.

That's almost an entirely new starting 11 they need to find with zero chance of champions league football and potentially no Europa league either.

They still don't even know who the manager will be yet.
Is it not to be proven mid championship mentally challenged Alec Neil?
 
interim results are going to be very interesting. Due now.

Hopefully our insurance was just renewed before pandemic set in.
Yes, would normally be out covering period to 31 December. We didn’t publish them last year though so, I suspect, we won’t do so this year either. There is no obligation to do so. Wonder if the Dhims will do likewise?
 
When we win 55 and consolidate our squad over the summer,the tims will be trying to stabalise their critical state due to their current implosion.
They potentially may have the same manager in place,a manager,who the fans and some players may not like,an aged team,with many perhaps leaving as they are not up to the standard required to stop us.
There will be "assets",who may want to move on,or may be sold to bring in much needed finance to reduce wage bills etc,some of those "assets" may go for vastly reduced fees than those portrayed in the media.
Some current loanees may return to their clubs due to their time being up or their disillusionment at their clubs condition.
The potential compensation claims of up and coming child sex abuse cases could also have a potentially major financial impact on them and maybe further punishments levied by footballs governing bodies.
They won't be splashing the cash as freely as they have done previously,in fact,they will be operating on mostly loan signings,as was the case in the january window with jonjo kenny...this is the level of unknown players they will be using...they are struggling to sell season tickets on the back of their holy grail being blown apart...they are crippled and limping from one disaster to the next,their condition is critical and we must maximise our advantage and keep our foot on their throat to prevent any recovery by them.
We are going to win 55 in the next few weeks and it is up to us to defend that and continue our progress and perhaps go on and create our own period of domination,our potential is there,the chances are there...we MUST seize them.
 
they need a full rebuild of the clubs infrastructure....scouting, medical, player recruitment etc etc

thats on top of needing to bring in close to 15 players

we could potentially be about to see another run for 10 n a row. and not from the savillites
 
I believe this 100%. They are driven by hatred of Rangers rather than love of Celtic. If they found themselves going through what we went through I'm convinced they wouldn't be pulling the crowds that we did.
Had a discussion with one of them at work a few weeks ago, he was slagging Rangers for only offering a voucher as a refund for the missed games last season and that they'd been offered £100, I said I wouldn't have taken one anyway, his reply was "fucking right I took it", my reply was that was the difference between our supports, they wouldn't know the meaning of loyalty if it fucked them square in the face.

Banners over seats in the top tier during our years out of the league says it in spades, his excuse for selling them again when we came back up was "the Rodgers effect", I told him to change the "od" to "an" and he'd be closer to the truth.
 
Another sign of their shaky finances. They wanted a break clause in the Davies pre-contract deal. If he wasn’t fit and ready to play on arrival at celtc, they could pull out of the deal leaving Davies on his arse without a club. This on the back of not paying to get him in January. Wanted him free but not if injured.

 
Had a discussion with one of them at work a few weeks ago, he was slagging Rangers for only offering a voucher as a refund for the missed games last season and that they'd been offered £100, I said I wouldn't have taken one anyway, his reply was "fucking right I took it", my reply was that was the difference between our supports, they wouldn't know the meaning of loyalty if it fucked them square in the face.

Banners over seats in the top tier during our years out of the league says it in spades, his excuse for selling them again when we came back up was "the Rodgers effect", I told him to change the "od" to "an" and he'd be closer to the truth.
Rangers offered a partial refund to season ticket holders.
 
on top of the thousands of refunds being claimed for last season, circa £130 I think somebody said, they’re having to refund hospitality for this season, very little of which celtc will see again due to the current campaign.


“Club Celtic season ticket holders are being refunded for the hospitality that they've not received so far this season.
They're having to pay out £397 with another payment at the end of the season.”
 
Lawwell had to refund £3.5m to ST holders for not finishing fixtures. Did they have a clause in this seasons ST sales where no refunds were being allowed?
 
Lawwell had to refund £3.5m to ST holders for not finishing fixtures. Did they have a clause in this seasons ST sales where no refunds were being allowed?
I think like us people bought knowing there might not be access. Celtc said there would be extra added value and have given nothing. They also bumped a children’s ticket charity for £20k and are demanding £20k again for next season.
 
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