Celtic magazine article ‘demolishes’ club’s abuse defence, claim lawyers

blueman1960 said:
In the last bit they have instructed their lawyers to take them to courts for these claims I for one wish they had because it would have maybe stopped the abuse from happening for some of the other boys involved and that bit really stands out for me.
And iam not saying or dismissing what has happened to the one's before this so called internal investigation is supposed to have happened.
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Remember that this is where they had too remove Hugh Birt, a man of honour who
stood his ground. When he refused to go, the panel was McGinn, Torbett & Cairney
who delivered the news; imagine being pushed out by 2(?) of the Rats from the list
of 14, who he was trying too eradicate from the Paedo Club. Few things bothering
in that decision, again and not for the first time; what did the other 2 (guilty) have
over the top man at the Club, to persuade him too"go along with the Rats"?

Bear in mind that this was in the last century, 34 years ago and we are still chipping
away at the roots,hoping that eventually it has too come down.
 
We have had stage shows, book launches and Celtic the musical. It appears no end to the promoting of the self praising organisation, propaganda Pete and his cohorts have no bounds, disco lights at the ground for the whole Celtic experience . Well maybe it's time for "Celtic the deception years" under the spotlights . The information provided by the team is both eye opening and disgraceful . A chapter in world football that should not be forgotten and the victims compensated and given some sort of closure.
 
willbear said:
Remember that this is where they had too remove Hugh Birt, a man of honour who
stood his ground. When he refused to go, the panel was McGinn, Torbett & Cairney
who delivered the news; imagine being pushed out by 2(?) of the Rats from the list
of 14, who he was trying too eradicate from the Paedo Club. Few things bothering
in that decision, again and not for the first time; what did the other 2 (guilty) have
over the top man at the Club, to persuade him too"go along with the Rats"?

Bear in mind that this was in the last century, 34 years ago and we are still chipping
away at the roots,hoping that eventually it has too come down.
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I admire Hugh Burt for standing up and trying his best to be of help to these young people who where being abused and to me he deserves to be mentioned a lot in this whole sordid affair and I hope he has at some point written down what he knew and who were the main perpetrators in all of this.
 
blueman1960 said:
I admire Hugh Burt for standing up and trying his best to be of help to these young people who where being abused and to me he deserves to be mentioned a lot in this whole sordid affair and I hope he has at some point written down what he knew and who were the main perpetrators in all of this.
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He did. He provided a list to the club of people he suspected to be Pardophiles.

Many of them have been convicted to this point.
 
BN94 said:
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That just shows you that the mentality at Celtic Football Club has not changed over the years.The management, board members and owners still think it's perfectly acceptable to harbour Paedophilia within said Club and that is the sickest part in this whole sordid affair.

Celtic Football Club and the Paedophile ring they helped to protect, should not sit comfortably with any right minded individual, but we know it will in certain quarters and again that is just so morally wrong.

Paedophilia has no place in a civilised society and if at Celtic Football Club they think otherwise, then as a Football Club they have no place within the society that is representative of the country we live in.
 
Back in the days when Only an Excuse was mildly amusing, they did a skit on Michael Kelly, or Gene Kelly or whoever it was in charge of Celtic at the time. It was "A statement from Celtic Football Club on the financial blah, blah blah at Celtic" Johnathon Watson comes out dressed as Michael Kelly and reading from a script in his catholic plaintiff voice come out with something like " Winsae us, leez alane, merely custodians, geez yir money" This tone pretty much sums up the quality of this denial. It was the Old Celtic way.
 
BN94 said:
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So let's see.

Did they just say this in the knowledge that no-one in the media would question it, or at least ask for proof of these "hundreds of letters"?

"During the course of the last ten days Celtic Football Club and the Boys' Club have been in receipt of hundreds of letters and phone calls from boys and their parents, past and present, stating their complete support and backing of all involved with the Boys' Club".

It's a ridiculous statement to make, it's a pathetic barefaced sickening lie!
And now today many years on after those involved are doing jail time for those heinous crimes committed they are coming out with shite like the Boys' Club had fuckall to do with us?

That whole disgusting organisation needs fully investigated and punished accordingly by the law of the land.

Humza Yousef, YOU can fuck off ya cunt!
 
blueismycolour said:
That just shows you that the mentality at Celtic Football Club has not changed over the years.The management, board members and owners still think it's perfectly acceptable to harbour Paedophilia within said Club and that is the sickest part in this whole sordid affair.

Celtic Football Club and the Paedophile ring they helped to protect, should not sit comfortably with any right minded individual, but we know it will in certain quarters and again that is just so morally wrong.

Paedophilia has no place in a civilised society and if at Celtic Football Club they think otherwise, then as a Football Club they have no place within the society that is representative of the country we live in.
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The problem stems from the church they belong to they have been brought up with it happening and no prosecutions for many years, the priests and brother paedophiles just got sent to another diocese.
Child rape has been present for a long time in the Roman Catholic church, and the fact that they are led to believe that somehow they can confess as perpetrators or as witnesses and do nothing with the knowledge that it has happened, and will be forgiven is a huge lie and a large part of the problem.
How twisted is it that people say nothing about what they know, but torture and ridicule the victims of CSA, that is totally unforgivable,unacceptable and they will all be accountable for these cover ups at some stage,in this life or the next.
 
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blueismycolour said:
That just shows you that the mentality at Celtic Football Club has not changed over the years.The management, board members and owners still think it's perfectly acceptable to harbour Paedophilia within said Club and that is the sickest part in this whole sordid affair.

Celtic Football Club and the Paedophile ring they helped to protect, should not sit comfortably with any right minded individual, but we know it will in certain quarters and again that is just so morally wrong.

Paedophilia has no place in a civilised society and if at Celtic Football Club they think otherwise, then as a Football Club they have no place within the society that is representative of the country we live in.
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Beer Belly Loyal said:
So let's see.

Did they just say this in the knowledge that no-one in the media would question it, or at least ask for proof of these "hundreds of letters"?

"During the course of the last ten days Celtic Football Club and the Boys' Club have been in receipt of hundreds of letters and phone calls from boys and their parents, past and present, stating their complete support and backing of all involved with the Boys' Club".

It's a ridiculous statement to make, it's a pathetic barefaced sickening lie!
And now today many years on after those involved are doing jail time for those heinous crimes committed they are coming out with shite like the Boys' Club had fuckall to do with us?

That whole disgusting organisation needs fully investigated and punished accordingly by the law of the land.

Humza Yousef, YOU can fuck off ya cunt!
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Celtic's stance has changed materially over the years. From initially dismissing allegations of paedophilia at CBC as "scurrilous", they have had to concede that abuse did take place. Court convictions have left them little choice but to do so. Now, their tack is to insist, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that CBC was a separate entity to CFC, with the implication being that CFC had and continues to have no legal responsibility for it and the crimes committed by its officials.

The question is no longer whether or not abuse took place at CBC. It is one concerning the extent to which Celtic are responsible for the failure to address it timeously and effectively. However, given that Celtic's default position is to deny, to deflect and to disparage others, their second and seemingly ongoing investigation into matters is unlikely to address this question transparently. That no-one - not the SFA, the media, politicians, supporters of other clubs on social media - would appear to be putting them under pressure to conclude this investigation and publish the results reflects an assumption that, if not so arrogantly dismissive as the first one, it won't be anything other than an exercise in damage limitation.

And so we await the results of an investigation by the Scottish football authorities, led by a chairman whose credentials have been doubted by the charity Open Secret, which supports victims of sex abuse, and whose public utterances to date give no cause to believe that much attention will be paid to the magnitude of malpractice at one particular club. And we await the publication of a Scottish Government inquiry into child abuse which specifically excludes sport and religion, and which states its purpose to be the protection of children in the future, not justice for victims in the past. That Scottish football is run by and for Celtic is more opinion than fact. However, it's credible opinion, given the background and behaviour of Regan, Doncaster, MacLennan, Mulraney, Whyte and others. Meanwhile, Humza and his cronies don't need to fuck off. They've already done so, happy to abrogate responsibility for endangering Celtic's star role in a success-against-all-the-sectarian-odds story of an immigrant community (risible as this narrative might be when considered unemotionally), because to do so might lose them votes and, consequently, power.

This situation is certainly disgusting. More than that, it's frightening. Frightening that a football club and its cheerleaders, and a country's guardians (the cheerleaders and guardians, as we know, often overlap), can so calculatedly prioritise their own interests over justice for the victims of prolonged and particularly reprehensible crime, and over punishment for not just individual perpetrators of such crime but for institutions under whose management they were allowed to operate.

That the image has cracked - thanks in no small measure to the sterling efforts of some on FF - is encouraging. Will, it, though, shatter? Not from any investigation within Scotland, it won't.
 
Brother Crockett said:
Back in the days when Only an Excuse was mildly amusing, they did a skit on Michael Kelly, or Gene Kelly or whoever it was in charge of Celtic at the time. It was "A statement from Celtic Football Club on the financial blah, blah blah at Celtic" Johnathon Watson comes out dressed as Michael Kelly and reading from a script in his catholic plaintiff voice come out with something like " Winsae us, leez alane, merely custodians, geez yir money" This tone pretty much sums up the quality of this denial. It was the Old Celtic way.
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It’s the current Celtic way
 
shoulderpads said:
Celtic's stance has changed materially over the years. From initially dismissing allegations of paedophilia at CBC as "scurrilous", they have had to concede that abuse did take place. Court convictions have left them little choice but to do so. Now, their tack is to insist, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that CBC was a separate entity to CFC, with the implication being that CFC had and continues to have no legal responsibility for it and the crimes committed by its officials.

The question is no longer whether or not abuse took place at CBC. It is one concerning the extent to which Celtic are responsible for the failure to address it timeously and effectively. However, given that Celtic's default position is to deny, to deflect and to disparage others, their second and seemingly ongoing investigation into matters is unlikely to address this question transparently. That no-one - not the SFA, the media, politicians, supporters of other clubs on social media - would appear to be putting them under pressure to conclude this investigation and publish the results reflects an assumption that, if not so arrogantly dismissive as the first one, it won't be anything other than an exercise in damage limitation.

And so we await the results of an investigation by the Scottish football authorities, led by a chairman whose credentials have been doubted by the charity Open Secret, which supports victims of sex abuse, and whose public utterances to date give no cause to believe that much attention will be paid to the magnitude of malpractice at one particular club. And we await the publication of a Scottish Government inquiry into child abuse which specifically excludes sport and religion, and which states its purpose to be the protection of children in the future, not justice for victims in the past. That Scottish football is run by and for Celtic is more opinion than fact. However, it's credible opinion, given the background and behaviour of Regan, Doncaster, MacLennan, Mulraney, Whyte and others. Meanwhile, Humza and his cronies don't need to fuck off. They've already done so, happy to abrogate responsibility for endangering Celtic's star role in a success-against-all-the-sectarian-odds story of an immigrant community (risible as this narrative might be when considered unemotionally), because to do so might lose them votes and, consequently, power.

This situation is certainly disgusting. More than that, it's frightening. Frightening that a football club and its cheerleaders, and a country's guardians (the cheerleaders and guardians, as we know, often overlap), can so calculatedly prioritise their own interests over justice for the victims of prolonged and particularly reprehensible crime, and over punishment for not just individual perpetrators of such crime but for institutions under whose management they were allowed to operate.

That the image has cracked - thanks in no small measure to the sterling efforts of some on FF - is encouraging. Will, it, though, shatter? Not from any investigation within Scotland, it won't.
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I called Radio Clyde a number of years ago claiming I was "George from Coatbridge." I spoke to Delahunt and keevins asking them if they believed Rangers were responsible for the tax avoidance/evasion scandal as Craig Whyte was representing the club. My point being that Whyte didn't have sole responsibility as he was acting on behalf of the club. Both Keevins and Delahunt happily agreed that this was the case.

I then moved on to my real point and asked them if they then agreed that Celtic were responsible for the paedophillia taking place at Parkhead.

There was a quick pause followed by them claiming they didnt understand my logic. "Next caller".
 
Morally they have a massive case to answer but, in a strict legal sense, it may be decided that they were separate entities. Often morality and the law don’t align, unfortunately (How I think it will play out, not how I want it to btw).
 
shoulderpads said:
Celtic's stance has changed materially over the years. From initially dismissing allegations of paedophilia at CBC as "scurrilous", they have had to concede that abuse did take place. Court convictions have left them little choice but to do so. Now, their tack is to insist, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that CBC was a separate entity to CFC, with the implication being that CFC had and continues to have no legal responsibility for it and the crimes committed by its officials.

The question is no longer whether or not abuse took place at CBC. It is one concerning the extent to which Celtic are responsible for the failure to address it timeously and effectively. However, given that Celtic's default position is to deny, to deflect and to disparage others, their second and seemingly ongoing investigation into matters is unlikely to address this question transparently. That no-one - not the SFA, the media, politicians, supporters of other clubs on social media - would appear to be putting them under pressure to conclude this investigation and publish the results reflects an assumption that, if not so arrogantly dismissive as the first one, it won't be anything other than an exercise in damage limitation.

And so we await the results of an investigation by the Scottish football authorities, led by a chairman whose credentials have been doubted by the charity Open Secret, which supports victims of sex abuse, and whose public utterances to date give no cause to believe that much attention will be paid to the magnitude of malpractice at one particular club. And we await the publication of a Scottish Government inquiry into child abuse which specifically excludes sport and religion, and which states its purpose to be the protection of children in the future, not justice for victims in the past. That Scottish football is run by and for Celtic is more opinion than fact. However, it's credible opinion, given the background and behaviour of Regan, Doncaster, MacLennan, Mulraney, Whyte and others. Meanwhile, Humza and his cronies don't need to fuck off. They've already done so, happy to abrogate responsibility for endangering Celtic's star role in a success-against-all-the-sectarian-odds story of an immigrant community (risible as this narrative might be when considered unemotionally), because to do so might lose them votes and, consequently, power.

This situation is certainly disgusting. More than that, it's frightening. Frightening that a football club and its cheerleaders, and a country's guardians (the cheerleaders and guardians, as we know, often overlap), can so calculatedly prioritise their own interests over justice for the victims of prolonged and particularly reprehensible crime, and over punishment for not just individual perpetrators of such crime but for institutions under whose management they were allowed to operate.

That the image has cracked - thanks in no small measure to the sterling efforts of some on FF - is encouraging. Will, it, though, shatter? Not from any investigation within Scotland, it won't.
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One of the best posts ever on these boards never mind just this thread.
 
LOL 133 said:
I called Radio Clyde a number of years ago claiming I was "George from Coatbridge." I spoke to Delahunt and keevins asking them if they believed Rangers were responsible for the tax avoidance/evasion scandal as Craig Whyte was representing the club. My point being that Whyte didn't have sole responsibility as he was acting on behalf of the club. Both Keevins and Delahunt happily agreed that this was the case.

I then moved on to my real point and asked them if they then agreed that Celtic were responsible for the paedophillia taking place at Parkhead.

There was a quick pause followed by them claiming they didnt understand my logic. "Next caller".
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The yahoos' hypocrisy and myopic logic is staggering. Makes it nigh on impossible to have a reasonable debate with them.
 
shoulderpads said:
Celtic's stance has changed materially over the years. From initially dismissing allegations of paedophilia at CBC as "scurrilous", they have had to concede that abuse did take place. Court convictions have left them little choice but to do so. Now, their tack is to insist, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that CBC was a separate entity to CFC, with the implication being that CFC had and continues to have no legal responsibility for it and the crimes committed by its officials.

The question is no longer whether or not abuse took place at CBC. It is one concerning the extent to which Celtic are responsible for the failure to address it timeously and effectively. However, given that Celtic's default position is to deny, to deflect and to disparage others, their second and seemingly ongoing investigation into matters is unlikely to address this question transparently. That no-one - not the SFA, the media, politicians, supporters of other clubs on social media - would appear to be putting them under pressure to conclude this investigation and publish the results reflects an assumption that, if not so arrogantly dismissive as the first one, it won't be anything other than an exercise in damage limitation.

And so we await the results of an investigation by the Scottish football authorities, led by a chairman whose credentials have been doubted by the charity Open Secret, which supports victims of sex abuse, and whose public utterances to date give no cause to believe that much attention will be paid to the magnitude of malpractice at one particular club. And we await the publication of a Scottish Government inquiry into child abuse which specifically excludes sport and religion, and which states its purpose to be the protection of children in the future, not justice for victims in the past. That Scottish football is run by and for Celtic is more opinion than fact. However, it's credible opinion, given the background and behaviour of Regan, Doncaster, MacLennan, Mulraney, Whyte and others. Meanwhile, Humza and his cronies don't need to fuck off. They've already done so, happy to abrogate responsibility for endangering Celtic's star role in a success-against-all-the-sectarian-odds story of an immigrant community (risible as this narrative might be when considered unemotionally), because to do so might lose them votes and, consequently, power.

This situation is certainly disgusting. More than that, it's frightening. Frightening that a football club and its cheerleaders, and a country's guardians (the cheerleaders and guardians, as we know, often overlap), can so calculatedly prioritise their own interests over justice for the victims of prolonged and particularly reprehensible crime, and over punishment for not just individual perpetrators of such crime but for institutions under whose management they were allowed to operate.

That the image has cracked - thanks in no small measure to the sterling efforts of some on FF - is encouraging. Will, it, though, shatter? Not from any investigation within Scotland, it won't.
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So well written it should be sent to the newspapers opinion column, not that they would print it.
 
nemessis said:
The problem stems from the church they belong to they have been brought up with it happening and no prosecutions for many years, the priests and brother paedophiles just got sent to another diocese.
Child rape has been present for a long time in the Roman Catholic church, and the fact that they are led to believe that somehow they can confess as perpetrators or as witnesses and do nothing with the knowledge that it has happened, and will be forgiven is a huge lie and a large part of the problem.
How twisted is it that people say nothing about what they know, but torture and ridicule the victims of CSA, that is totally unforgivable,unacceptable and they will all be accountable for these cover ups at some stage,in this life or the next.
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Let's hope for the sake of the victims, they get it in this life time. Closure will not take away the pain, but hopefully it will bring an understanding, that they were not the ones to blame.

Paedophiles, the despicable face of the human race and anyone that thinks otherwise, are as despicable as them.
 
Iv heard a few on here say that as a club celtic should essentially receive the same punishment as us so put down to the bottom devision of scottish football,i personally think for the crimes committed against children and the audacious cover up that still continues to this day they should be wiped out of existence completely.
 
LOL 133 said:
I called Radio Clyde a number of years ago claiming I was "George from Coatbridge." I spoke to Delahunt and keevins asking them if they believed Rangers were responsible for the tax avoidance/evasion scandal as Craig Whyte was representing the club. My point being that Whyte didn't have sole responsibility as he was acting on behalf of the club. Both Keevins and Delahunt happily agreed that this was the case.

I then moved on to my real point and asked them if they then agreed that Celtic were responsible for the paedophillia taking place at Parkhead.

There was a quick pause followed by them claiming they didnt understand my logic. "Next caller".
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Brilliant :))
 
Originalmacc said:
Iv heard a few on here say that as a club celtic should essentially receive the same punishment as us so put down to the bottom devision of scottish football,i personally think for the crimes committed against children and the audacious cover up that still continues to this day they should be wiped out of existence completely.
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In any other walk of life they would be. Unfortunately they're a protected species in Scotland so the best we can hope for is demotion, massive fines, ALL the perpetrators brought to justice and some closure for the victims.
 
Mr. T. said:
Morally they have a massive case to answer but, in a strict legal sense, it may be decided that they were separate entities. Often morality and the law don’t align, unfortunately (How I think it will play out, not how I want it to btw).
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Unfortunately I can see it playing out this way too - for celtic this is all about money (seperate legal entity is an accounting term) that's all they are interested in. However if Celtic are successfull they absolutely will call it out as a moral victory - they are that disgusting
 
Gloucester Bear said:
Unfortunately I can see it playing out this way too - for celtic this is all about money (seperate legal entity is an accounting term) that's all they are interested in. However if Celtic are successfull they absolutely will call it out as a moral victory - they are that disgusting
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For me that’s it exactly. Meanwhile the victims have to live with the lifelong consequences. I would have thought in these days where the importance of mental health is all consuming, much more would be made if this awful situation.
 
Mr. T. said:
For me that’s it exactly. Meanwhile the victims have to live with the lifelong consequences. I would have thought in these days where the importance of mental health is all consuming, much more would be made if this awful situation.
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Contrast Penn State in USA, where close to $300 million has been paid out on the basis of
one paedophile's behaviour.
 
Mr. T. said:
For me that’s it exactly. Meanwhile the victims have to live with the lifelong consequences. I would have thought in these days where the importance of mental health is all consuming, much more would be made if this awful situation.
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It's very clear what snp want from their public inaction. I wonder if the 'justice secretary' is so quiet behind the scenes?

They want this to disappear with no impact on celtic and (who they see as their fans as their core voters) more importantly no justice for the survivors of celtics boys club.

Sturgeon is being investigated for breaking the ministerial code re secret meetings with alex Salmond - I believe the SNP have picked who will investigate her.

www.google.com

Inquiry into Nicola Sturgeon's meetings with Alex Salmond to begin

An independent inquiry into whether the First Minister broke the ministerial code of conduct by meeting with Alex Salmond and failing to record their conversations while her government was investigating harassment allegations against him, is to go ahead.
www.google.com www.google.com

All three members of the SNP led investigation into child abuse (but with the specific exclusions of religious organisation and Sports club) have all resigned - citing amongst many things inteference and micro management from the SNP

www.google.com

Third resignation from abuse inquiry - BBC News

A third senior figure on the Scottish Child Abuse Inquiry resigns, citing personal reasons.
www.google.com www.google.com

Be prepared for this not to tum out as the evidence and logic would suggest.
Mr. T. said:
For me that’s it exactly. Meanwhile the victims have to live with the lifelong consequences. I would have thought in these days where the importance of mental health is all consuming, much more would be made if this awful situation.
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LOL 133 said:
I called Radio Clyde a number of years ago claiming I was "George from Coatbridge." I spoke to Delahunt and keevins asking them if they believed Rangers were responsible for the tax avoidance/evasion scandal as Craig Whyte was representing the club. My point being that Whyte didn't have sole responsibility as he was acting on behalf of the club. Both Keevins and Delahunt happily agreed that this was the case.

I then moved on to my real point and asked them if they then agreed that Celtic were responsible for the paedophillia taking place at Parkhead.

There was a quick pause followed by them claiming they didnt understand my logic. "Next caller".
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Well done for that mate, maybe we should all make a concerted effort to hound the various phone ins to ask the legitimate question about paedophilia taking place over the decades at one of the country’s biggest sporting institutions and the governments/media’s apathy towards what is one of the worst criminal offences a person can commit.
This country is getting as bad as one of the tinpot Arab dictatorships, North Korea, China or Russia the way it blatantly stonewalls any debate on the subject.
The mainstream news outlets recent outrage over gymnasts getting shouted at and pushed to train hard must seem like a kick in the teeth to victims of child rape and their families who are publicly berated and mocked for having the audacity to want accountability from the organisation with a duty of care to protect the youngsters from being preyed upon by their vile employees. The ridiculous separate entity defence is a cynical ploy to escape their vicarious liability or worse their criminal inaction.
They have it coming, and they know it.
 
Their defence is totally obliterated now. The 'separate entity' stance was never going to hold against real scrutiny.

The question is what repercussions there will be for Celtic FC. Every single person guilty should be locked up of course, but I wonder what, if any, potential financial penalties could be inflicted on the club itself as a result. I don't have any background in this area so it would be interesting to know what the views where re potential compensation etc. Not that any amount would ever really compensate victims.
 
Brother Crockett said:
Back in the days when Only an Excuse was mildly amusing, they did a skit on Michael Kelly, or Gene Kelly or whoever it was in charge of Celtic at the time. It was "A statement from Celtic Football Club on the financial blah, blah blah at Celtic" Johnathon Watson comes out dressed as Michael Kelly and reading from a script in his catholic plaintiff voice come out with something like " Winsae us, leez alane, merely custodians, geez yir money" This tone pretty much sums up the quality of this denial. It was the Old Celtic way.
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Gene Kelly ? :)) Ha! Ha! Any chance of a Tap BC ? ;)
 
shoulderpads said:
Celtic's stance has changed materially over the years. From initially dismissing allegations of paedophilia at CBC as "scurrilous", they have had to concede that abuse did take place. Court convictions have left them little choice but to do so. Now, their tack is to insist, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that CBC was a separate entity to CFC, with the implication being that CFC had and continues to have no legal responsibility for it and the crimes committed by its officials.

The question is no longer whether or not abuse took place at CBC. It is one concerning the extent to which Celtic are responsible for the failure to address it timeously and effectively. However, given that Celtic's default position is to deny, to deflect and to disparage others, their second and seemingly ongoing investigation into matters is unlikely to address this question transparently. That no-one - not the SFA, the media, politicians, supporters of other clubs on social media - would appear to be putting them under pressure to conclude this investigation and publish the results reflects an assumption that, if not so arrogantly dismissive as the first one, it won't be anything other than an exercise in damage limitation.

And so we await the results of an investigation by the Scottish football authorities, led by a chairman whose credentials have been doubted by the charity Open Secret, which supports victims of sex abuse, and whose public utterances to date give no cause to believe that much attention will be paid to the magnitude of malpractice at one particular club. And we await the publication of a Scottish Government inquiry into child abuse which specifically excludes sport and religion, and which states its purpose to be the protection of children in the future, not justice for victims in the past. That Scottish football is run by and for Celtic is more opinion than fact. However, it's credible opinion, given the background and behaviour of Regan, Doncaster, MacLennan, Mulraney, Whyte and others. Meanwhile, Humza and his cronies don't need to fuck off. They've already done so, happy to abrogate responsibility for endangering Celtic's star role in a success-against-all-the-sectarian-odds story of an immigrant community (risible as this narrative might be when considered unemotionally), because to do so might lose them votes and, consequently, power.

This situation is certainly disgusting. More than that, it's frightening. Frightening that a football club and its cheerleaders, and a country's guardians (the cheerleaders and guardians, as we know, often overlap), can so calculatedly prioritise their own interests over justice for the victims of prolonged and particularly reprehensible crime, and over punishment for not just individual perpetrators of such crime but for institutions under whose management they were allowed to operate.

That the image has cracked - thanks in no small measure to the sterling efforts of some on FF - is encouraging. Will, it, though, shatter? Not from any investigation within Scotland, it won't.
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I agree with most of this. Reference your last sentence, this is why I took it to Westminster 2 years ago. Others will verify this on here. My reply from the MPs that replied was they could have an opinion but couldn’t act professionally due to the devolved government. I wouldn’t accept this.
We then set about proving that there was cross border abuse linked with Celtic in the aim of getting a full independent inquiry run by Westminster. We obviously proved this when we uncovered Father Michael Spencer.
I think you’ll agree that we cannot trust the Scottish government in appointing the correct person to head an inquiry in Scotland. It would be like marking your own homework. Our belief is that not only Celtic need to be dragged in front of an independent inquiry, but also Police Scotland and certain members of the SNP. Especially the under qualified justice secretary.
For this to be done correctly, then my belief is that only Westminster is qualified to do so and not the clowns that reside in Holyrood.
 
Dave570 said:
I would like to see the people who supposedly done the investigation into the abuse questioned under oath.
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The only way to carry this out is via a public inquiry, surely if Celtic FC believe themselves to be innocent of the myriad of accusations of Paedophelia carried out on their premises by their employees ,then they would want to clear their name and polish up their tarnished reputation as little boy Rapists.

Take the hit Scumbags...go on, clear your name if you think yer good enough!
 
BN94 said:
I agree with most of this. Reference your last sentence, this is why I took it to Westminster 2 years ago. Others will verify this on here. My reply from the MPs that replied was they could have an opinion but couldn’t act professionally due to the devolved government. I wouldn’t accept this.
We then set about proving that there was cross border abuse linked with Celtic in the aim of getting a full independent inquiry run by Westminster. We obviously proved this when we uncovered Father Michael Spencer.
I think you’ll agree that we cannot trust the Scottish government in appointing the correct person to head an inquiry in Scotland. It would be like marking your own homework. Our belief is that not only Celtic need to be dragged in front of an independent inquiry, but also Police Scotland and certain members of the SNP. Especially the under qualified justice secretary.
For this to be done correctly, then my belief is that only Westminster is qualified to do so and not the clowns that reside in Holyrood.
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Celtic are as the the centre of the child abuse scandal, but, as you say BN94, there are those in authority north of the border who are complicit, and Westminster's involvement is, indeed, desirable. I should have said this in my earlier post.

The work you and others are doing in seeking the truth and some sort of satisfactory closure to matters is remarkable.
 
Mr. T. said:
Morally they have a massive case to answer but, in a strict legal sense, it may be decided that they were separate entities. Often morality and the law don’t align, unfortunately (How I think it will play out, not how I want it to btw).
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Tesco bank
tesco Ireland
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these are separate entities. Nobody will convince anyone else that they are not one and the same.

Who is the ultimate benefactor and who is making the decisions? That will help the judge.


edit; inserted ‘not’
 
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