Celtic to be sued in the US over abuse(The Sun)

Not doubting the guy posting a fair amount on Twitter, but why does the sole focus seem to be on the Daily Record? Why not approach other media outlets with the story/evidence?

The claim is that one of the victims has given the Record a copy of a NDA signed by Celtic Directors, expecting them to publish it and hence ramp up the pressure for an Inquiry. The Record for one reason or another have yet to publish.

I’d suggest that is the reason for ’targetting’ The Record.
 
Not doubting the guy posting a fair amount on Twitter, but why does the sole focus seem to be on the Daily Record? Why not approach other media outlets with the story/evidence?
The record have the document but haven’t done anything with it. I think it’s beginning to look like they’re holding it to prevent it being reported rather than holding it so they can report it.
 
The record have the document but haven’t done anything with it. I think it’s beginning to look like they’re holding it to prevent it being reported rather than holding it so they can report it.

We don't know that. While legal proceeding are ongoing their lawyers may have advised them to hold it.

They must know that there are other NDAs, or even a copy of the one they have, out there and that, sooner or later, someone will publish.
 
We don't know that. While legal proceeding are ongoing their lawyers may have advised them to hold it.

They must know that there are other NDAs, or even a copy of the one they have, out there and that, sooner or later, someone will publish.
I never said we knew that. I said I think it’s beginning to look like that going by the guys tweets.
 
You would think the DR would be all over this again, it was them that broke these stories. An absolutely shocking read.

c and p'd as most people do not click on the links. Why are these stories not being revisited and highlighted.


Shameful airport pact haunts us after 5 years; EXCLUSIVE: Truth behind the cover-up.



Link/Page Citation



The secret deal which protected a sex pervert for five years was struck in an American airport cafe.

Hours before Celtic Boys' Club were due to fly home, five men sat around a table at bustling Boston airport.

There they sealed the shameful pact that has haunted them since.

Frank Cairney - the man who WAS Celtic Boys' Club - agreed to resign and a dingy chapter in Celtic's history was born.

A young player had claimed he had been touched sexually by Cairney while in bed.

Now the other four men who were part of that airport deal, former chairman Jim McNally and officials Bill Gilfillan, John Gallacher and Willie Hampson, have decided to speak about it for the first time.

They talked to the Daily Record which last week lifted the lid off the sex abuse scandal at the boys club.

Jim McNally, speaking for all four, said: "Apart from sworn statements to Celtic and the police, none of us has ever spoken about what happened.

"It has been painful and has taken a great toll on all of our lives."

Players had been staying in the homes of ex-pat Celtic fans in Kearney, New Jersey, in 1991 for a showpiece tournament. Two were living with exiled Scot, Pat Brannigan.

Jim said: "Pat Brannigan told me that a boy had made a serious allegation against Frank Cairney. I interviewed the boy after Pat Brannigan came for me very early in the morning.

"Pat and his wife Diane were there. I asked a second boy who was also staying at Pat's house to leave the room.


"The first lad was very distraught. He repeated the allegation of a sexual nature against Frank Cairney.

"He said it happened in Pat Brannigan's basement where the boys were sleeping.

"Frank had been staying at a hotel nearby. But it wouldn't have been unusual for him to be in the house because he always went around to where the boys were staying, to make sure they were all right.

"Initially I found the whole thing hard to believe. I had never experienced anything like that before in my life.

"I honestly thought and hoped it was horseplay that had got out of hand a wee bit. Immediately I talked to the other three officials.

"I told them what had happened. We were visiting a theme park that day and I got the senior players together and told them what had happened. They already knew.

"I asked them if they would keep their eye on this lad until we got things sorted out."

He continued: "We decided that we would talk to Frank Cairney and we did. He very forcibly, strenuously denied the allegation. He was very angry. He said nothing happened.

"While we were talking about it, Pat Brannigan arrived and said he had spoken to his lawyer and the police.

"I also spoke to Pat's lawyer about the procedure and what we would do.

"I asked him what would happen if the boy made a formal complaint. And what he told me was the real shocker of the whole thing.

"He said that Frank Cairney would be charged and that the boy, and the other boy who was staying in the house, would be put in protective custody."

Distraught Jim and the officials were terrified to bring in police in case the boys were taken away from them.

He said:"I was absolutely shattered about that. There was no way I could have landed at Glasgow Airport and told two sets of parents that their boys weren't there.

"After that meeting I immediately contacted Celtic, but it was the Glasgow Fair and I had a terrible job trying to get a hold of people.

"I tried Jack McGinn, Jimmy Farrell (Celtic directors), but could not get them. I then phoned Sean McMullen and Bobby Creilly, two other boys' club officials.

"I told them what had happened and I told them of my fear that the boys would be taken into protective custody and that this wasn't for me or even the boy to decide what they should do. I felt his parents should make that decision.


"This was the Thursday and we were due home on the Sunday.

"We also booked three tickets to be held just in case the boy wanted home early.

"I spoke to the lad at regular intervals and he opted to stay at Brannigan's. He seemed to be coping.

"He continued to play in the tournament. I've always admired the boy and how he coped with all of this.

"He was only 16 at the time. He actually started officially playing for Celtic on the Monday after he returned home."

Jim McNally didn't call in the police, but Pat Brannigan may have brought them in. Jim said: "If the police interviewed the boy I wasn't aware of it. I think Pat Brannigan felt we weren't handling it correctly. But the reason we handled it the way we did was because I didn't believe it was up to me to decide what to do.

"Eventually there was a meeting with the boy's parents which Creilly and McMullen had been trying to arrange .

"We left Kennedy airport, New York, on Sunday, but still there was no word. We stopped over at Boston and this is where it all happened.

"There was a message at Boston for me to phone home.

"I was told the meeting had concluded and the outcome was that the boy's parents were quite happy to leave the matter in Celtic's hands, provided Frank Cairney resigned from the boys' club on returning.

"Myself, Willie Hampson, Bill Gilfillan and John Gallacher, the four officials, met in the cafe at Boston airport and we told Frank Cairney what we had been advised.

"He agreed to resign when he went home. We arrived at Glasgow and went straight to the park.

"Jack McGinn organised a meeting at 11am with Frank Cairney and a meeting with me at 2pm.

"At that meeting, he gave me a copy of Frank Cairney's resignation which said he had resigned because he had got promotion in his company and the pressure of work.

"We were still concerned that we weren't quite covered, so we individually consulted lawyers and collectively spoke to a QC for advice.

"He asked if we could produce any more boys who could quote incidents from anywhere at any time. But we knew we couldn't do that."

The deal they had to be part of has left them sad, jaundiced men. All have since left Celtic Boys' Club.

Jim added: "The boy told me what happened. I cannot say what happened.

"But the parents wanted the boy to get on with his career and get on with his life, once they had been given assurances he was coping."

He added: "We were never sworn to secrecy. The boy asked us not to talk about it and we respected his wishes."

Club hotline for victims

Celtic last night set up a counselling service to provide support for families struggling to cope with the trauma of the Boys' Club revelations.

Announcing the hotline, chairman Fergus McCann said: "Celtic Football Club has been receiving many calls from people and families in distress over the alleged incidents.

"In addition to asking people to report allegations to the police, it is obvious many need advice of trained specialists."

The support and advice Hotline opens today and will run for a week between noon and midnight. It is costing Celtic pounds 5000.

McCann also offered his support to current officials of the Boys Club. He added: "It is a great pity their good work should be tarnished by these alleged incidents."

Boys' Club chairman Tony McGuinness said: "The hotline is a very welcome gesture."

Lorraine Rochford of Network Scotland, who have selected the specialists, added: "Celtic Football Club have to be commended for providing this service."

HOW WE EXPOSED SCANDAL

The Daily Record exclusively revealed the Celtic Boys' Club sex abuse scandal a week ago.

In a series of exclusive stories, Scotland's No 1 newspaper unmasked Jim Torbett and Frank Cairney.

We exposed how frightened young players were fondled by the club bosses they trusted.

We revealed how Cairney lied to a local newspaper with claims he didn't know one of his victims.

And we told how pervert Torbett was booted out of the club - only to be allowed to return years later.

After the Record's sensational reports, Torbett was again kicked out by the boys' club.

And detectives have confirmed that they plan to quiz the wealthy businessman.


COPYRIGHT 1996 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
No portion of this article can be reproduced without the express written permission from the copyright holder.

Copyright 1996 Gale, Cengage Learning. All rights reserved.
And they still maintain the Boy's club has nothing to do with them ? Funny that !
 
I know the gentleman who is the 'source' and I also know how close he is to some of the victims and their families.He's not named for his own protection.Theres a lot going on in the background.

This is not going away!

I really hope you are right H84. It's unthinkable that the biggest open secret in Scottish football could be allowed to fade out of the news following the prosecution of all those involved in this paedophile ring without establishing the facts of how this was historically all hushed up via a public inquiry. What must be established is :- who knew what when, who covered it all up and how many additional victims needlessly suffered abuse to protect the "good" name of Cel*ic.
 
I was a paper boy in the early to mid 80s and I always remember something about a huge story that was supposed to appear in the record and sun about goings on at Celtic , however it was then suddenly pulled . I didn’t think much of it at the time being a kid happily making what I thought was a fortune of about £20 a week from my run , however I now wonder if it was to do with the current scandal .

I really just hope the victims can all be compensated and somehow their lives become bearable after what happened to them . Those poor kids , it makes you sick to the stomach .

I was getting £20 in the 00s must have been a tough round!
 
Champions League money for the survivor - that's my hope. Other than turning the clock back it's the best outcome. As horrible as it is!

Closure for the perpetrators, or the most brutal relegation possible, will tell the world if Scotland reckons 'side letters' for financial gain are deemed worse than 'side letters' for raping children. It's as simple as that.
 
What would be a satisfactory outcome out of all this?

Do victims mainly want Celtic to accept responsibility what happened and compensate them?

Are Rangers fans hopeful that Celtic get severely penalised in terms of money and/or relegation etc?

Could you copy and paste the article please ?

McAfee won't let me access it, Comes up as a potential threat.

Got a feeling their website might've been hacked, when I try to visit I'm getting all sorts of warnings now.
 
There is no chance they are getting out of this now, The McCafferty Trial or as I like to call it " The Big Trial ' will seal their fate as he was 1st team kit man.
Remember all of these bheasts were allowed freedom of Celtic Park and Barrowfield Training Ground to commit their crimes and I don't know who is advising them what to say but they have backed themselves into a very,very tight corner which is getting rather overcrowded day by day
This is the key piece of evidence against separate entity fc. THIS will break them. 1st, they have an employee who, if proven, was allowed by celtic to take advantage of vulnerable young people. 2nd, despite knowing about their actions, they allowed a ring of paedophiles to operate in their club. My gut? There is someone at the very top who knew everything and was happy to let it go on, either to save face OR something altogether more sinister. Terrifying stuff, and not something to point score with.
 
What would be a satisfactory outcome out of all this?

Do victims mainly want Celtic to accept responsibility what happened and compensate them?

Are Rangers fans hopeful that Celtic get severely penalised in terms of money and/or relegation etc?



Got a feeling their website might've been hacked, when I try to visit I'm getting all sorts of warnings now.

Pesky paedo protectors trying to hack them again.
 
This is the key piece of evidence against separate entity fc. THIS will break them. 1st, they have an employee who, if proven, was allowed by celtic to take advantage of vulnerable young people. 2nd, despite knowing about their actions, they allowed a ring of paedophiles to operate in their club. My gut? There is someone at the very top who knew everything and was happy to let it go on, either to save face OR something altogether more sinister. Terrifying stuff, and not something to point score with.
 
What would be a satisfactory outcome out of all this?

Do victims mainly want Celtic to accept responsibility what happened and compensate them?

Are Rangers fans hopeful that Celtic get severely penalised in terms of money and/or relegation etc?



Got a feeling their website might've been hacked, when I try to visit I'm getting all sorts of warnings now.

A satisfactory outcome is whatever the victims are happy with.
 
This is the key piece of evidence against separate entity fc. THIS will break them. 1st, they have an employee who, if proven, was allowed by celtic to take advantage of vulnerable young people. 2nd, despite knowing about their actions, they allowed a ring of paedophiles to operate in their club. My gut? There is someone at the very top who knew everything and was happy to let it go on, either to save face OR something altogether more sinister. Terrifying stuff, and not something to point score with.

This is why Celtic will not accept responsibility.

An organisation can't always be held culpable for the actions of an individual. However, there are too many - and it points to a club riddled with it from the very top.
 
This is why Celtic will not accept responsibility.

An organisation can't always be held culpable for the actions of an individual. However, there are too many - and it points to a club riddled with it from the very top.

There is too much evidence from the previous Torbett trial and which clearly demonstrates that CFC had effective management control over CBC. Evidence given by Celtic players and managers as well as other individuals. This is all in the public record.

Celtic's fig leaf will not stand up to serious scrutiny.
 
Could you copy and paste the article please ?

McAfee won't let me access it, Comes up as a potential threat.


I got the same potential threat on the VB site but was fine earlier. Here it is...

US ATTORNEY ON CELTIC PAEDOPHILIA COMPENSATION CLAIMS

Written by: Philip Joseph Gerard White

Tuesday, 12th February 2019








A few weeks back I spoke to a US Attorney at Law who specialises in Claims and Compensation cases as a result of criminal acts. You can read about it here:
https://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/art...at-law-looks-at-the-celtic-paedophile-scandal

Following weekend newspaper reports that victims of Celtic paedophilia are set to commence legal action against the Club Like No Other on U.S. soil I contacted him again. I provided details of the recent sentencing of Celtic paedophile Frank Cairney and asked him to look over some historical information pertaining to Celtic's Boys Club on Stateside ventures.
The sharp-eyed attorney, who knew nothing of these cases until I contacted him a few weeks ago, poured over newspaper transcripts from the 1990's. He replied to me and asked me if these historical newspaper reports were genuine. I assured him they were.
It was then that he dragged himself into a cyber-courtroom and played his ace to the judge. His reply can be seen below (which I've shortened and redacted slightly. Additions within brackets are mine):
"As far as I can see these reports show that 4 of the gentlemen in charge of the kids soccer trip to New Jersey reported the incidents in 1991 to the manager of the soccer club (Liam Brady) on return to Scotland and that he further reported it to the soccer club chairman."
"Then in 1994 when claims resurfaced, a new manager of the soccer club
(Lou Macari) and a new chairman (Fergus McCann) became involved and set up a hotline for victims."
"The press reports you sent on the imprisonment last week of Cairney are followed by the soccer club denying involvement or links to the boys club."
"Is what I'm saying correct?"

I replied to the affirmative and stressed to him that The Club Like No Other has continually and shamefully tried to deny any links to the Boys Club, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
His reply was short and sweet:
"They (Celtic Football Club) can forget any notion of denial in a U.S. court of law. If the newspaper reports are accurate, it's a slam-dunk."
 
I got the same potential threat on the VB site but was fine earlier. Here it is...

US ATTORNEY ON CELTIC PAEDOPHILIA COMPENSATION CLAIMS

Written by: Philip Joseph Gerard White

Tuesday, 12th February 2019








A few weeks back I spoke to a US Attorney at Law who specialises in Claims and Compensation cases as a result of criminal acts. You can read about it here:
https://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/article.php?i=234&a=stateside-–-attorney-at-law-looks-at-the-celtic-paedophile-scandal

Following weekend newspaper reports that victims of Celtic paedophilia are set to commence legal action against the Club Like No Other on U.S. soil I contacted him again. I provided details of the recent sentencing of Celtic paedophile Frank Cairney and asked him to look over some historical information pertaining to Celtic's Boys Club on Stateside ventures.
The sharp-eyed attorney, who knew nothing of these cases until I contacted him a few weeks ago, poured over newspaper transcripts from the 1990's. He replied to me and asked me if these historical newspaper reports were genuine. I assured him they were.
It was then that he dragged himself into a cyber-courtroom and played his ace to the judge. His reply can be seen below (which I've shortened and redacted slightly. Additions within brackets are mine):
"As far as I can see these reports show that 4 of the gentlemen in charge of the kids soccer trip to New Jersey reported the incidents in 1991 to the manager of the soccer club (Liam Brady) on return to Scotland and that he further reported it to the soccer club chairman."
"Then in 1994 when claims resurfaced, a new manager of the soccer club
(Lou Macari) and a new chairman (Fergus McCann) became involved and set up a hotline for victims."
"The press reports you sent on the imprisonment last week of Cairney are followed by the soccer club denying involvement or links to the boys club."
"Is what I'm saying correct?"

I replied to the affirmative and stressed to him that The Club Like No Other has continually and shamefully tried to deny any links to the Boys Club, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
His reply was short and sweet:
"They (Celtic Football Club) can forget any notion of denial in a U.S. court of law. If the newspaper reports are accurate, it's a slam-dunk."

Thanks mate.
 
We definitely need to propose a glamour friendly against them in the US this Summer.

Wonder what the excuse for not being able to manage will be....Japan again ?
 
Everyone involved with the paedophile ring should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, a full and comprehensive investigation is required. If it was our club then I'd say exactly the same. The victims deserve justice and the perpetrators deserve punishment, that's the very least we should be hoping for in a civilised and developed society.
 
Boston is a lot more diverse than that. In addition, sport and religion in the USA are generally separate. A Boston judge and jury would not make a connection between Celtc and the catholic church and if lawyers tried to make one, they would discount it.

Boston, Massachusetts and New England are not the West of Scotland.
This all occurred in Kearny (NO "E" after the N!!!) New Jersey, which is Hudson County, so the trial would be in the Jersey City courthouse, no one would know or care about Celtic or their "catholic" roots, and even if they did it would NOT help their cause any, the USA is pretty sick of the pedophlia of the catholic church over here, most of all the catholics themselves believe it or not!
 
The claim is that one of the victims has given the Record a copy of a NDA signed by Celtic Directors, expecting them to publish it and hence ramp up the pressure for an Inquiry. The Record for one reason or another have yet to publish.

I’d suggest that is the reason for ’targetting’ The Record.

Surely not? NDA? Seriously?

They've had 30 of years to recover and destroy them all.... for healthy sums of money.

I doubt they'd have left that out of their 40 year shredding campaign.

What they might have in writing is the "offer" to purchase a copy of the NDA from the victims by Separate Entity FC.

It gets seedier by the bloody minute. Revolting country we reside in.
 
Opus dei and CIA! Can we stick with what we know instead of going looney tunes?

Loonietunes? Bit harsh, although I know it sounds ludicrous doesn't it mate.

However....

we stuck with 'what we know' and it nearly killed us 7 years ago.

It's what we don't know that is the most damaging. I'd suggest we don't discourage speculation on this thread as long as it doesn't impact on proceedings.

Btw.... just curious. Do you think Opus dei operate within the BBC and Scottish Police?

Because they do - and not everyone 'knows it'. ;)
 
Do you have information that proves this "some guy" on twitter is some sort of attention seeker? If not then perhaps it would be best to stop mocking him or Haining's posts until you can convince us we are being fed bullshit.

Based entirely on the comments I've seen him post on here, Haining certainly has never come across as someone who is easily taken for a fool.

It is interesting how we complain about cover ups and the secrecy surrounding this case yet when information is put out there, there are people ridiculing it.

Anyhow

Going back to the screen shots mentioning confidentiality agreements made with celtic FC - forgive my lack of knowledge of anything here -

1. Would these agreements would be documented on celtic fc headed paper, signed and posted with courts?
2. If an ex player was to break an agreement would his evidence become questionable in court or would he face charges himself?
3. Is any information put out into the public domain, through main stream or social media, before any court proceedings at risk of being rejected as evidence in court? If so then should this thread and others related to any future case be - unfortunately - binned?


NDA's do not apply when there is a criminal intent behind them in every civilised country on the planet.
 
If that's your source then we truly are phukt!

Made up shite from The Sun just as I suspected.

Stop insulting your fellow Bears.

@Haining84 knows more than you about this I'll bet.


https://www.followfollow.com/forum/...new-about-abuse-before-the-90’s-record.54043/

We should have had placemen in the public gallery in these court cases - I couldn't do it, wouldn't have the stomach for what horrors were revealed - and as a father to two football mad Son's - I would end up being thrown out for shouting my disgust at ignoring the victims compensation and our legal system when these miniscule sentences were handed out.
 
Stop insulting your fellow Bears.

@Haining84 knows more than you about this I'll bet.


https://www.followfollow.com/forum/...new-about-abuse-before-the-90’s-record.54043/

We should have had placemen in the public gallery in these court cases - I couldn't do it, wouldn't have the stomach for what horrors were revealed - and as a father to two football mad Son's - I would end up being thrown out for shouting my disgust at ignoring the victims compensation and our legal system when these miniscule sentences were handed out.
Yes the perverts will be laughing at our petty judicial system, a whimper of token justice is what happened in Scotland, we don't even value the innocence and future of our own children?
Cairney won't be smiling if he has to face US justice they'll go to town on him but it is disgusting that the Scottish courts are such a joke.
Some of these people he and others molested are suffering severe lifetime sentences some perhaps are no longer alive thanks to these disgusting and constant assaults on them by this appalling group of perverts .............so why isn't he suffering more than they are ?
 
Yes the perverts will be laughing at our petty judicial system, a whimper of token justice is what happened in Scotland, we don't even value the innocence and future of our own children?
Cairney won't be smiling if he has to face US justice they'll go to town on him but it is disgusting that the Scottish courts are such a joke.
Some of these people he and others molested are suffering severe lifetime sentences some perhaps are no longer alive thanks to these disgusting and constant assaults on them by this appalling group of perverts .............so why isn't he suffering more than they are ?

An SNatsi rabble of crooks create a rhepublican paradise for paedophilia. A little sick in the mouth thinking of that. :(

This country will be a magnet for them given how well we treat those that are just basically 'pure evil'.
 
Everyone involved with the paedophile ring should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, a full and comprehensive investigation is required. If it was our club then I'd say exactly the same. The victims deserve justice and the perpetrators deserve punishment, that's the very least we should be hoping for in a civilised and developed society.

Remember the Lawrence Enquiry stated that there was "Institutional Racism" within the Metropolitan Police?

Given that, any independent enquiry into this surely is going to find Institutional Child Abuse existed within Celtic FC back then.

It's clear to everyone now.
 
Remember the Lawrence Enquiry stated that there was "Institutional Racism" within the Metropolitan Police?

Given that, any independent enquiry into this surely is going to find Institutional Child Abuse existed within Celtic FC back then.

It's clear to everyone now.
The 'institutional racism' slant from the Lawrence case is what came to mind for me here. Cover ups and normalising of absolutely disgusting crimes. The crazy thing is, the Celtic support are not even remotely at the stage of accepting the club's role in this yet. Journalists still seem terrified to do their job. Sadly, this type of thing allows paedophiles go unnoticed. At the minute, the 'good name' of Celtic is greater than the sum of their crimes. You could very easily swap the name of Celtic for the BBC/Saville/Catholic church.
 
I've now seen a few tims online saying that Rangers knew about Torbett and didn't tell Celtic about him LOL. They are beyond belief.
 
I've now seen a few tims online saying that Rangers knew about Torbett and didn't tell Celtic about him LOL. They are beyond belief.

I reckon its finally sinking into those Peasant idiots what is coming down the tracks. They'll turn on each other when it is exposed to the world what their disgusting club did and covered up.
 
what I find infuriating is the silence of the sfa in all this how they have not handed out one punishment and I think if they are gonna continue to be silent then then there should be a protest outside hampden demanding action is taking against that disgusting club
 
Back
Top