Celtic to be sued in the US over abuse(The Sun)

thetoptier

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The third most powerful RC in the world.A prime example of their depravity:

Cardinal George Pell to spend nearly four years in jail for child sexual assault

Chief judge calls Pell’s crimes ‘breathtakingly arrogant’ as he sentences Pell to six years in jail, with non-parole period of three years and eight months.
Published: 01:29 Wednesday, 13 March 2019

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Cardinal George Pell has been sentenced to six years in jail after being convicted of sexually abusing two 13-year-old choirboys in 1996.
The former Vatican treasurer, 77, was handed a non-parole period of three years and eight months by the judge, who described his offending as “brazen and forceful” and “breathtakingly arrogant” because he believed the victims would never complain.
The sentence means he may spend at least three years and eight months in jail.

He is the most senior member of the Catholic Church to be convicted and jailed for child sexual abuse.
Pell was convicted last month on five charges of child sexual assault, following a committal hearing, a mistrial and a trial. He has lodged an appeal, which will be heard in June.
Chief judge Peter Kidd said the sentence carried a real possibility that Pell would not live to be released. “Facing jail at your age in these circumstances must be an awful state of affairs for you,” he said.

Kidd’s sentencing before Melbourne’s county court on Wednesday morning was broadcast live around the world. Once the financial controller of the Vatican and confidant to the pope, Pell sat in the dock dressed in a black shirt and beige jacket, using a walking cane, and stared straight at Kidd, expressionless. Two police officers sat either side of him, and one directly behind.
In his sentencing remarks Kidd said Pell’s offending had “a significant and long lasting impact” on the complainant’s wellbeing. “I take into account the profound impact your offending has had [on the complainant’s] life.” Kidd referred to the complainant only as “J” throughout his sentencing remarks, and to the other victim, who died in 2014, as “R”.
“During the incident, J and R were crying and sobbing,” Kidd said.
“In my view, the first episode in the priest’s sacristy involved a brazen and forceful sexual attack on the two victims. The acts were sexually graphic. Both victims were visibly and audibly distressed during this offending.”
Each of the five charges – one of sexual penetration of a minor under the age of 16 and four of an indecent act with a child under the age of 16 – carried a maximum penalty of 10 years’ imprisonment. Pell will be a registered sex offender for life, and will be required to allow police to collect forensic samples from him. He stood as the sentence was read.
The judge rejected sentencing arguments put forward by Pell’s defence team that, if the offending had occurred, Pell must have experienced a moment of irrationality.


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“Your decision to offend was a reasoned, albeit perverted, one,” Kidd said. “Certainly you were confident your victims would not complain … the offending which the jury has found you have engaged in was, on any view, breathtakingly arrogant.
“As archbishop, you did have a relationship of approval in relation to the choirboys. In part, the choirboys were performing to please you as archbishop. The choirboys were the least powerful and the most subordinate individuals at the cathedral. The power imbalance between the victims and all the senior church leaders or officials, yourself included, was stark.”
Kidd reinforced the point several times during the sentencing, saying: “I conclude that your decision to offend was a reasoned, albeit perverted, one, and I reach that conclusion to the criminal standard.”


He said any breach of this trust should be seen by the law as “grave”.
Kidd said he had sentenced Pell “without fear or favour”.
“There has been extraordinary and widespread publicity and public comment which has surrounded you for a number of years,” Kidd said. “Some of this publicity has involved strong, trenchant and sometimes emotional criticism of you. Indeed, it is fair to say that in some sections of the community you are a publicly vilified figure. We have witnessed, outside of this court and within our community, examples of a witch-hunt or a lynch mob mentality in relation to you, Cardinal Pell. I utterly condemn such behaviour.”
Kidd made it clear to Pell he was sentencing him only on the basis of the offending considered by the jury and their subsequent conviction. He said his sentencing had nothing to do with the Catholic church and its failings, or community attitudes towards Pell

At multiple points during the sentencing, Kidd referred to Pell’s arrogance.
“In my opinion, all of the offending across both episodes is made significantly more serious because of the surrounding or contextual circumstances – namely the breach of trust and abuse of power,” Kidd told him. “This elevates the gravity of each of the offences. In my view, your conduct was permeated by staggering arrogance.”
However, Kidd acknowledged Pell’s risk of reoffending was low, given his age and poor health.
Outside the court about a dozen protesters gathered in both support and defence of Pell. Pell was led to and from the dock through a back entrance of the court.
At the sentencing hearing on 27 February, Pell’s defence barrister, Robert Richter, had argued Pell’s sentence should be on the “lower end” because there were “no aggravating circumstances” to one of the offences. It was “no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case where the child is not actively participating”, he said. Richter later apologised for that description.

Prosecutor Mark Gibson argued Pell should be given a significant sentence, describing the offences as “humiliating and degrading towards each boy”.

At the trial, the complainant, now 35, said he and the another 13-year-old choirboy separated from the choir procession as it exited the church building. He and the other boy sneaked back into the church corridors and entered the priest’s sacristy, a place they knew they should not be. There they found some sacramental wine and began to drink. The complainant alleged that Pell had walked in on them.
Pell then manoeuvred his robes to expose his penis. He stepped forward, grabbed the other boy by the back of his head and lowered the boy’s head towards his penis, the complainant told the court. Pell then did the same thing to the complainant, orally raping him. Once he had finished, he ordered the complainant to remove his pants, before fondling the complainant’s penis and masturbating himself.
“There is an added layer of degradation
and we're legally being told to "tolerate" this?

%^*& off
 

Cauldwell

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Is the Judge in his sentencing remarks clearing the church itself of any involvement.Like the Sheriff at Cairneys sentencing who was at pains to say that none of Cairneys friends colleagues knew about his abuse of children.
 

williewoodburn

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Is the Judge in his sentencing remarks clearing the church itself of any involvement.Like the Sheriff at Cairneys sentencing who was at pains to say that none of Cairneys friends colleagues knew about his abuse of children.
Dont know but I've always worried the powers at the very top of the political tree might try to draw a line under the entire subject. This is a shocking Trumpesque revelation today from Johnson. Too many hang on his every word.
 

Blues and Royals

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Regarding this move by Man City, has there been any comment by the FA on this?

I only ask because if City don't receive any footballing sanctions for it, you can get the SFA will use this as a precedent not to punish Celtc, even if they are chased for monetary compensation.
There is a big difference. Man City have acknowledged what went on and tried at least to do something for the victims. Scumbag football club care nothing for the innocents and still intend to sweep it under the carpet.
The only reason the SFA will take no action against this mob is because Celtic control them anyway and they are all terrified of betraying the catholic mafia.
 

htws

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What's happening with that crowd , the sisters of nazareth, I read in the Daily Mail that they were in court right now, seems they have millions in investments, real estate and money in the bank.
According to story they were not about to give in without a fight and coming across as the victims as it was previous admin at fault, sounds familiar!
 

Cauldwell

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Dont know but I've always worried the powers at the very top of the political tree might try to draw a line under the entire subject. This is a shocking Trumpesque revelation today from Johnson. Too many hang on his every word.
The Crown Advocate at Torbetts trial also said that this is not to do with selic or selic boys club this is about the trophy centre.
 

archimedes

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Relevant part in bold below;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47224885

OAP convicted of historic sex abuse of two young boys

William Quigg has been convicted of historical sex abuse A pensioner has been convicted of sexually abusing two boys more than 30 years ago.
William Quigg, 77, of Bridge of Weir, raped Ian Johnstone when he was aged between 12 and 15 and sexually abused another teenage boy. The offences took place between 1980 and 1986 at addresses in Glasgow.
Mr Johnstone, who waived his right to anonymity to speak to BBC Scotland news, said he was abused by Quigg on a daily basis. He said the abuse began after he was placed with a foster family in Clydebank. Quigg was his foster father. "Basically over the five or six years I was with them sexual abuse was basically a daily occurrence," he said. "And severe sexual abuse occurred on many occasions."

Mr Johnstone said he first complained about Quigg, a former Scout leader and Scout commissioner, in 1989. He said he was a scout in Quigg's troop.
He believes a number of people suspected he was a paedophile and did nothing. He wants a change in the law. "I think if somebody chooses not to report child abuse, in some ways they're almost as guilty because they're allowing it to happen; they're enabling it to happen," he said. "I think it should be against the law. Certainly it would have stopped a lot quicker if somebody had reported it sooner." 'Distressing' case Speaking of getting justice more than 30 years on, he said: "There's no victory in this at all for me. There's a release and a moving forward. Can I move on from it? Maybe, with this verdict maybe I can move on." Quigg admitted sexually abusing one boy when he was aged between 12 and 15, but he denied raping Mr Johnstone and sexually abusing him from the age of 12 to 16. But the jury did not believe him and convicted him of all the abuse. Judge Lord Burns described the case as "distressing" and placed Quigg on the sex offenders register. He was remanded in custody ahead of sentencing at the High Court in Livingston next month. Defence counsel Euan Dow will give his plea in mitigation then. Copyright © 2019 BBC. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites.
 

nemessis

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Disgustingly low sentence for Pell who also covered up abuse in Ballarat by Gerald Risdale.
http://brokenrites.org.au/drupal/node/55

I listened to the case in detail yesterday and that filthy pervert Pell should have gotten 10 years for each of the charges, the one of the two he sexually assaulted that is still alive (The other one died of a heroin overdose) was pictured yesterday distraught about the exceedingly low sentences then there is the appeal, the Vatican Mafia are working overtime on this one.

"It is hard for me, for the time being, to take comfort in this outcome," the surviving victim, now in his 30s, said through his lawyer.

"I appreciate that the court has acknowledged what was inflicted upon me as a child."

Six years wasn't long enough for the father of the other boy, who died in 2014.

"Our client is disappointed with the short sentencing and has expressed sadness over what he believes is inadequate for the crime," his lawyer said.
 

despdan1872

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Think city have done well in their attempt to sort stuff out.. albeit in a financial compensatory way.

Celtic and our own club should follow suit as well as any other club organisation church etc.
 

Talktalk

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Think city have done well in their attempt to sort stuff out.. albeit in a financial compensatory way.

Celtic and our own club should follow suit as well as any other club organisation church etc.
They did it to save money as going through court may have cost double , looking after liabilities.
 
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