Celtic to be sued in the US over abuse(The Sun)

L_D

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If the lid does eventually blow on this, the fallout could be massive for Celtic, especially moving forward.

What sort of sports company or sponsors would want to go near them?
They'll do the huddle, scream to the world that their rancid club was taken over by monsters and now they're cleansed of it, "let us make a better celtic for the future, now let us link arms".

They'll be the victims.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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They'll do the huddle, scream to the world that their rancid club was taken over by monsters and now they're cleansed of it, "let us make a better celtic for the future, now let us link arms".

They'll be the victims.
It’s worked for them until now mate, despite so many facts to the contrary.

‘Celtic. Don’t ever let the truth get in the way of a good story.’
 

EH47

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If the lid does eventually blow on this, the fallout could be massive for Celtic, especially moving forward.

What sort of sports company or sponsors would want to go near them?
If we thought we'd seen deflection on a grand scale before from those at the Knew Camp and their apologists, stand by for a campaign of epic proportions to deal with this shit storm.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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All the more reason to get tae feck as soon as he was able. I'll bet he met with a few unexpected home truths in his time there. I'm not sure he's been back many times.
Agree. I think I remember him back once ? Not interested enough to be sure but he got shite press from them & im sure they wanted him back to get rid of their guilt. Sounds familiar with them eh ? ;)
 

KirkieRanger

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And the lads parents agreed not to contact the police in exchange for him being offered a professional contract. I hope those people sleep well at night with that in their minds every day. I honestly can’t get my head round how any parent could do that.
How can celtic claim that it had nothing to do with them when they were complicit in giving the lad a professional contract in order to buy his silence? How many others have been encouraged to keep quiet in the same manner?:confused:

W.A.T.P.
 

Beer Belly Loyal

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At least the bunnet was a good human being Willie.
From 1996.

When Tommy Burns was appointed Parkhead boss in 1994, he tried to bring his mentor Frank Cairney back to Parkhead.

But the move to end his three year exile was blocked by Celtic chief Fergus McCann.
and this from the same article...

Tommy Burns was also at Cairney's house to give him his support.

He said: "He has the whole of my backing and that of Celtic Football Club to a man.

"He has trained some of the great names of Celtic, including Roy Aitken, Paul McStay, George McCluskey, Alan Brazil, Pat Nevin, Peter Grant, Andy Ritchie and myself.

"Ever since I knew him he's been a great friend and a great influence on me and a lot of other players who had the pleasure of playing on his team."
You do wonder how many victims who have simply erased it from their memory?
 

CaliBear

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Penn State FC indeed ,would be great if the achievements Penn State were wiped out during their scandal happens to their east end of Glasgow counterparts.I very much doubt it though!.
Penn State did have the honors won wiped out but then they were reinstated
 

Abercrombie

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From 1996.



and this from the same article...



You do wonder how many victims who have simply erased it from their memory?
I don’t think they can erase it from their memories mate, you just can't do that. The kid's were grown up enough to know and remember exactly what happened to them.
If parents accepted something on behalf of their kid at the time, I'd assume that kid, as an adult now, is really not happy and will go after the club to deal with it properly.
 

shug1971&outlook.con

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I hope the victims will get real justice through this avenue.

It will also put Scotland and the disgraceful neglect of our Judiciary and Politicians to shame.
Yep. Totally agree but please my only worry is that the victims who were actually young boys don’t get the justice they deserve due to some smart arse lawyers looking at posts like this and arguing a fair trial isn’t possible. Let’s wait and hold our tounge till justice is served before we go to town on them. And we deservedly will
 

Wilkinsvolley

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It’s included as an additional option under liability insurance for youth sports groups.

It wouldn’t be unusual to take, especially these days. No idea if it existed or was a prominent option decades ago.
The more I thought about it the more it made sense to be included in public liability insurance although I think they’ll have trouble saying they weren’t aware before now.
 

Archibald Leitch

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To me its mental that you honesty think Opus Dei have influence in Scottish football. But totally entitled to your opinion, nothing surprises me on FF anymore :D
Opus Dei has more influence in a lot of aspects of Scottish (and indeed UK) society than you can even imagine. Forget about all the sensationalist espionage-type stuff of The Da Vinci Code (although, as evidenced by earlier posts, that does go on); OD’s influence is much more prevalent at street level.
Think of who has controlled Scotland’s largest city for decades. Think of the RC-compliant media, Holyrood and many financial institutions. You think that is simply down to individuals boxing clever, and jobs for the bhoys? The RC Church (largely aided by OD) has had the home countries in its sights for centuries. Just watch them move when HM the Queen finally departs.
The notion that they could be involved in Scottish football is far from “mental”.
 

Timskelper

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I'm trying to type this quickly before I fly out the door.

I hate all forms of insurance (necessary evil at times of course), absolutely detest it, but I have had to pay for Public Liability Insurance in the past. It covers a multitude of business scenarios, high cover for little cost, but there isn't a chance (IMO) Paedo FC would be covered for this child abuse. NO CHANCE.

I posted a link before about the funds the Catholic church and insurance paid out. That was a newspaper headline grouping both together. Again, in my opinion, The insurance money actually paid out would have been miniscule in relative terms and only paid out because of so-called 'fine print' that would cover most eventualities.

The individual churches would have been liable for all, or part payment to victims (depending on the size of the claim), but the head paedo and all in The Vatican would have paid out the vast majority, probably near all of it. I repeat again, in my opinion, as nobody clearly has the fine details and are likely to.

Even if any of the insurance paid out and it somehow was worded that it did in fact include such a disgusting act, knowing what I'm sure we all know about insurance companies and how they'll try and get out of paying any claims, any claim would need to be 100% watertight.

In short, after that long winded post (apologies), Paedo FC will have NO COVER REGARDING THIS WHATSOEVER.

The vile acts are historic and have been well documented, even by many people who would rather protect that scum club. It's 'out there', so no insurance company would touch them (unless set up specifically to assist them). That's just the sordid acts we know about. Wait until the real experts do their work.

They cannot, simply cannot walk, away from this and the victims, who please don't ever forget are the most important people in this whole sick situation, deserve their recognition from the courts and the scum. Paedo FC have nowhere to hide, even though many will try and help them.
 

GourockBlue50

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You don't think, eh?

" (CNN) - Since the 1980s, the Catholic Church in the United States and its insurance companies have paid out more than $3.8 billion in lawsuits and claims involving allegations of clerical sexual abuse, according to a monitoring group... "

https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/38-billion-paid-over-sex-abuse-allegations-in-catholic-church-since-1980s

" If the Catholic church is sued, secret files and private documents could be made public. And insurance companies, which have already paid millions in private settlements, might have to pay much more for the church’s liability as new cases are brought forth. "

https://eu.ydr.com/story/news/2018/10/25/insurance-lobbyists-catholic-church-block-pa-child-sex-abuse-reform-statute-limitations-priest/1742969002/

… and to be honest, it's not just the papists...

" The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members. "

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2007/06/18/80877.htm

Reading the above, and knowing the very close association between celtc FC and the catholic church, you would be extremely naïve to continue to believe that the former has not sought out advice from the latter on how to handle the tsunami of claims that are about to befall them.

Make no mistake, these claims are coming, and will have to be paid out, so do you seriously think that horrible club intends to pay out from their own funds? The same funds that service their loans, pay for the upkeep of their stadium and training complex, pay their wage bill, and finance new signings? In a nutshell, the very same funds that keeps them in business?
Such an eventuality could quite probably crucify them to an irreparable extent.
It's inconceivable that they haven't been considering the worst case scenario, and I for one would bet that if they didn't already have the relevant insurance, when they heard the first rumblings heralding these recent court cases there would have been a high level summit of the very top papes in Scotland (and possibly beyond) to consider all that could be done to preserve as far as possible "the good name" of their club and minimize any continuing damage to their brand.

Trust me, I desperately hope that they have not taken these precautions, because it would financially fucking kill them in all probability, but there's no way I see them not learning from past experiences.
I would need to think that they would have needed to have had the insurance in place at the time of the crimes.
 

bazil

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Opus Dei has more influence in a lot of aspects of Scottish (and indeed UK) society than you can even imagine. Forget about all the sensationalist espionage-type stuff of The Da Vinci Code (although, as evidenced by earlier posts, that does go on); OD’s influence is much more prevalent at street level.
Think of who has controlled Scotland’s largest city for decades. Think of the RC-compliant media, Holyrood and many financial institutions. You think that is simply down to individuals boxing clever, and jobs for the bhoys? The RC Church (largely aided by OD) has had the home countries in its sights for centuries. Just watch them move when HM the Queen finally departs.
The notion that they could be involved in Scottish football is far from “mental”.
I said earlier about cabinet ministers, Ruth Maria Kelly (born 9 May 1968) is a former British Labour Party politician, serving as Member of Parliament (MP) for Bolton West from 1997 until she stood down in 2010. she was a member of Opus Dei, i think that is why she resigned, and how come we never hear about The Knights of St Columba, or the Ancient Order of Hibernians, or the Jesuits, in the Media do they not exist
 

Gheorghe_Hagi

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Opus Dei has more influence in a lot of aspects of Scottish (and indeed UK) society than you can even imagine. Forget about all the sensationalist espionage-type stuff of The Da Vinci Code (although, as evidenced by earlier posts, that does go on); OD’s influence is much more prevalent at street level.
Think of who has controlled Scotland’s largest city for decades. Think of the RC-compliant media, Holyrood and many financial institutions. You think that is simply down to individuals boxing clever, and jobs for the bhoys? The RC Church (largely aided by OD) has had the home countries in its sights for centuries. Just watch them move when HM the Queen finally departs.
The notion that they could be involved in Scottish football is far from “mental”.
I said earlier about cabinet ministers, Ruth Maria Kelly (born 9 May 1968) is a former British Labour Party politician, serving as Member of Parliament (MP) for Bolton West from 1997 until she stood down in 2010. she was a member of Opus Dei, i think that is why she resigned, and how come we never hear about The Knights of St Columba, or the Ancient Order of Hibernians, or the Jesuits, in the Media do they not exist
Not saying either of you are wrong, however unless there's particularly good evidence of their influence I'd be careful that we don't end up sounding like them with their "Masonic conspiracies".
 

Grigo Yossarian

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Opus Dei has more influence in a lot of aspects of Scottish (and indeed UK) society than you can even imagine. Forget about all the sensationalist espionage-type stuff of The Da Vinci Code (although, as evidenced by earlier posts, that does go on); OD’s influence is much more prevalent at street level.
Think of who has controlled Scotland’s largest city for decades. Think of the RC-compliant media, Holyrood and many financial institutions. You think that is simply down to individuals boxing clever, and jobs for the bhoys? The RC Church (largely aided by OD) has had the home countries in its sights for centuries. Just watch them move when HM the Queen finally departs.
The notion that they could be involved in Scottish football is far from “mental”.
100%. Incredible reading. A wake up for many bears I’d suggest.
 

Hillheadbear

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What is funny is that if this happens in Boston it will be a Catholic judge, jury, and attorney reaming them.
Boston is a lot more diverse than that. In addition, sport and religion in the USA are generally separate. A Boston judge and jury would not make a connection between Celtc and the catholic church and if lawyers tried to make one, they would discount it.

Boston, Massachusetts and New England are not the West of Scotland.
 

indianabluenose

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Boston is a lot more diverse than that. In addition, sport and religion in the USA are generally separate. A Boston judge and jury would not make a connection between Celtc and the catholic church and if lawyers tried to make one, they would discount it.

Boston, Massachusetts and New England are not the West of Scotland.

I agree. I am a Yank. What I meant is that they are going to have a hard time saying its bigotry when they are getting rammed by a Boston court. I would love it to be criminal charges here in the US. We put people in jail for a long long time here.
 

Hillheadbear

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I agree. I am a Yank. What I meant is that they are going to have a hard time saying its bigotry when they are getting rammed by a Boston court. I would love it to be criminal charges here in the US. We put people in jail for a long long time here.
A criminal conviction would certainly open the floodgates for civil cases which often have a lower burden of proof.

I don't know if they could enforce a civil penalty on a UK company that does not have assets in the USA. But it would prevent Celtic or any of their 'officers' (board members, etc.) coming to the USA.
 
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