Centre forwards outwith the big four in England that are better than our Alfie?

JD1872

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Can only assume we did not receive the huge bids because of his disciplinary record last year, the penny seems to have dropped for him now.

Honesty think we have one of the best all round strikers in Europe on our hands and the best we’ve had since a pre injured Mols
 

brain

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Much as I love wee Alfie I think it is hard to believe that every team/scout/manager in Europe gets it wrong, under rates Alfie and wee unbiased Bears call it correctly.

His decision making is still poor and his finishing erratic, in fact at times wild. He terrorised, absolutely terrorised, their defence last night but there were some poor moments and wild shots.

BUT I love him.
Exactly. He gets all the praise for the strong side of his game, expertly turning his man repeatedly. But some people don’t seem to see that what happens next is still mixed at the moment which is what we saw against Feyenoord. Some slack passing, poor decisions and wild shots. Domestically he’s been a very good goal scorer but his record against the top teams isn’t great. In 13 games against Celtic, Aberdeen and Hibs last season he only scored in 2. It’s very unpopular not to overrate our own players on FF but I don’t see any need to, he is a top player for us but I’m not surprised nobody shelled out £20m for him.
 

Chester Loyal

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Again? He put us into the group stage with the only goal of the tie a mere 3 weeks ago. He scored in our Europa games last year, and he only had a couple of half chances which he fashioned for himself.

You really don’t like him to do you.
I do like him, a lot actually. Obviously not as much as you do but it’s clear that you won’t hear a bad word said about him. That’s fair enough but at least realise there are people out there who have a different opinion.

Morelos did score the goal to get us through but he also missed two sitters which could have killed the tie a lot earlier than it was. The 1v1 away in Poland and the back post header in the return leg. IMO if he was as good as people say he is, he’d have buried both of them.

He’s scored 2 (both in the same game) in 6 Europa League games. Again, that a particularly outstanding record for someone who people are saying is better than every striker that plays for 16 of the top 20 clubs in England. I’ll avoid bringing his old firm record up again too as that’s another red rag to a bull with you.

Just answer me one simple question. If Morelos was as good as people make out, why didn’t anyone come and buy him in the summer when he was readily available for £17/20million? And remember, you can’t use the disciplinary stuff either as you’ve argued with me in the past that he doesn’t have disciplinary issues (this season his discipline has been impeccable too btw).
 

final_straws

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His one flaw is his finishing. At EPL level, you need to be deadly as you cannot afford to miss too many chances. As such, I think this would restrict him to a team at the lower half of the epl table at the moment.

He would absolutely rip up the championship though.

He is still to learn that little bit of composure in front of goal & also not let prior misses in a game affect him.

I say all this as a massive fan of Morelos & have considered him our best player (even when he had a poor spell in his 1st season & others were on his back). Just being realistic
 

HandsomeHead

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Morelos would do a very good job for every club outside the top 6 in England (right now) This is how id compare him to non top 6 EPL strikers;

Sheffield Utd - McBurnie = Morelos is better

Norwich - Pukki = Pukki better atm I guess in terms of finishing

Aston Villa - Wesley = Morelos is better

Burnley - Barnes = Morelos in my opinion

Brighton - Maupay = Morelos in my opinion

Watford - Gray = Hmm maybe Gray at the moment

C Palace - Benteke = Morelos in my opinion

Southampton - Ings/Adams = Morelos in my opinion

Newcastle - Joelinton = Joelinton maybe

Wolves - Jimenez = Jimenez

Bournemouth - Wilson = Probably Wilson just now

West Ham - Haller = Probably Haller at the moment

Leicester - Vardy = Vardy maybe at the moment but Morelos will be better in a couple years

Everton - Kean/Calvert Lewin = Id honestly have Morelos
That looks like a pretty fair assessment to me.
 

jf1960

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Point me in the direction of them?

There was plenty fans who would have bit your hand off for £10m in the summer. Watch the supposed best league in the world with the supposed best players as a consequence and show me anyone that does all the things the wee fella does.

He really is one of the most exciting young prospects in European football and when the time comes for him to leave we really need to make sure we get the absolute maximum for him.
I would be disappointed if we got anything less than £20m for him
 

HandsomeHead

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His one flaw is his finishing. At EPL level, you need to be deadly as you cannot afford to miss too many chances. As such, I think this would restrict him to a team at the lower half of the epl table at the moment.

He would absolutely rip up the championship though.

He is still to learn that little bit of composure in front of goal & also not let prior misses in a game affect him.

I say all this as a massive fan of Morelos & have considered him our best player (even when he had a poor spell in his 1st season & others were on his back). Just being realistic
It’s natural for supporters to be gaga when it comes to their best player, and he is our best player, but many simply refuse to see Morelos’s weak points and a lack of composure in front of goal is foremost among them.

I genuinely think it’s this more than his indiscipline that saw EPL clubs shy away from making a concrete bid in the summer.

If he can improve on that this season I think he’ll finally get the big money move he craves.
 

jf1960

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Ollie McBurnie moved for 20m
If anyone would take him in a straight swap deal they need their head looked at
It takes about 2 minutes of watching them to see the gulf in class
Morelos is an EPL standard striker - no question
In 2/3 years I think he will be top CL / EPL level
Easily worth 30m+ today
That's a great comparison would anybody on here be happy say next summer they do a straight swap deal I know I wouldn't
 

Arkanoid

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Vardy, Wilson and Jiminez are top players.
I also like how Deeney leads Watford, there are plenty of exceptional forwards in the EPL but Alfredo absolutely holds parallel with them
 

SDF

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If we're being honest, his decision making at vital moments needs to get better.

Celtic game - Just came on, absolutely torched two of their defenders and bombed past them(brilliantly IMO) heading towards the box...and fired a wild shot miles past the post

Feyenoord game - Make no mistake, in terms of centre forward play at this level it was the best I've saw from a Rangers player since Prso battered Porto in 2005. Morelos terrorised their back four. He dominated them but....his finishing was (one shot aside) was poor by his standards. He was lapsing into his bad old ways where one miss led to him making bad decisions and snatching at chances instead of keeping his composure.
 

Wang

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Point me in the direction of them?

There was plenty fans who would have bit your hand off for £10m in the summer. Watch the supposed best league in the world with the supposed best players as a consequence and show me anyone that does all the things the wee fella does.

He really is one of the most exciting young prospects in European football and when the time comes for him to leave we really need to make sure we get the absolute maximum for him.

I think Gerrard spotted this right from the outset and is why even in the midst of all the red card controversy and discipline problems he always publicly backed him literally saying ‘We love Alfredo’


His attitude in every way this season has beeen superb. Controlling his temper, giving 100%, getting important goals, embracing the fans.

As someone who would have happily sold him over the summer I’d now hate to see him leave.
 

The Lone Sniper

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If he was better than every striker in England out with the top 4/6 then why didn’t any of them try and sign him?

He would’ve been available for around £17/20million in the summer which is pocket change to EPL teams.

The Feyenoord game summed up the best and worst of Morelos for me. He bullied their centre halves all night but he walks away (again) without a goal. The top top strikers play well and score goals in the “big” games.
He's scored 'big' goals all season.
 

Crouchy

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Argue he could yet play for one of the top teams.

Poch would like him. I think he could do a job at Liverpool.

He’ll have to go to the EPL and light it up for a top 6-10 side, then get his move.

A Leicester/Everton wouldn’t be a bad move.

Also think La Liga wouldn’t be the worse thing for him. Villarreal, then onto an Atletico type.
 

SDF

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I think Gerrard spotted this right from the outset and is why even in the midst of all the red card controversy and discipline problems he always publicly backed him literally saying ‘We love Alfredo’


His attitude in every way this season has beeen superb. Controlling his temper, giving 100%, getting important goals, embracing the fans.

As someone who would have happily sold him over the summer I’d now hate to see him leave.
As regrettable as it was, it might just be that the red card at Parkhead was the wake up call Morelos needed because even Gerrard (who had went to bat for him on the 4 previous sending offs) refused to defend him in the aftermath. It also essentially cost him his place at the Copa America

Being honest, I was done with Morelos at that point and was more than happy to take the money and run if offers came in. There was simply no point in hanging onto a player, as talented as he is, when you couldn't trust him not to self destruct.

However, one miserly bid from West Brom apart, no one came calling which must've been a pretty humbling experience for Alfie. This season he has yet again taken his game to another level, his goalscoring record is almost at a goal a game, he's battering defences and more importantly he's cutting out the daft shite.

He'll get his move eventually. And he'll get a better one than he'd have imagined this summer.
 

Calico Jack

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Morelos just doesn’t offer goals, he offers much much more.

Imagine playing against him?

It’s a defenders nightmare.
How many times did he turn off their defender without him knowing what day it was?

Alfredo humiliated him twice that I can remember.

His dummies and turns are absolutely magical.
 

TerrySilverLoyal

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I agree with this. His greatest strength is pulling the defenders around and absolutely doing them as soon as they make the mistake of getting too tight outside the box. However, he rarely finds a team mate once he’s clear.

He wouldn’t look out of place in an EPL squad but he wouldn’t be displacing the main striker any time soon at the top clubs.

I live down here and when I mention Alfie the comments from decent football fans is ALWAYS around his discipline.
Scottish football is a poisoned filled pressure cooker I think there's an element of that with Morelos he wouldn't be under the same microscope and scrutiny elsewhere
 

The Huguenot

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Maybe Rangers and SG bring the best out of Big Buff. Another club and a different manager may not necessarily work for him. He should commit himself.
 

Earl of Leven

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Tammy Abraham, Vardy, those two spring to mind. Not many though. A lot of EPL sides seem to share the goals. Do we get the 25-30 a season striker now?
 

Calgacus

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His finishing will improve with age & experience.
When he's at his peak (3 to 5 years from now) he is going to be terrifying defences at every level of the game.

When he first joined us all he wanted to do was run in behind, he was constantly on the half turn & his hold up play was iffy as a result.
The transformation in his play over the last couple of seasons has been remarkable, it shows he has the hunger & desire to get to the very top.
This season there has been a definite improvement in his discipline, he is constantly learning, I think training alongside Defoe will help as well.
We have got a diamond here, still needs polishing though.
 

ecossebear

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As sad as it is to say, I think he is as good as he will get in Scotland and needs to move to a bigger league to fully realise his potential. As a previous poster said, I would love to see him at Spurs as back up to Kane and think he would work very well in that system. With regular games against top opposition I think he can go on to be a £50+m player but at the moment he is nowhere near the finished article, and won’t be by playing half a dozen Europa League games a season.
 

PMB1872

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Fabulous physical presence, reading of the game improving and some of those turns were top drawer v Feyenoord. Discipline, fingers crossed, looking better too. One criticism from the other night, blue tinted shades off, is that on three occasions in the second half he should have passed rather than shot.
 
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