Chris Jack: Mark Allen’s time in blue is no case of black and white for Rangers

HarryBosch

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He’s not well liked amongst people I know

Loves himself, is extremely rude & patronising - treated many members of staff like absolute shite. Man managed absolutely everything, way outside his remit even to point he wanted to manipulate tours etc

Failed to deliver many promises he made on signings then subsequently failed to correct these issues, these are ones he pushed for

He has cost us deals for players by being poor & elusive to deal with

Caused issues on the training pitch & in the dressing room (Celebrating with players etc - travelling on team bus)

Openly leaked information to carry favour & was subsequently cut out of deals to stop stuff being leaked

Amongst some of the things I have heard directly from people about him & I have long spoken about this & the fact this would come to an end

Personally, the dealings I have know of I am delighted he is gone

There are amongst my reasons for not liking him

Now I’ll also add this, Mark Allen was in the squad photo on Thursday afternoon

By 5pm that evening he was away

What sort of person, who knows he’s leaving, (for family reasons) sits in those pictures? You can make up your own mind to whether or not you think that family reasons is true etc


Allen undoubtedly did good things, to suggest he done them properly or people will lose sleep over him leaving are entirely different


People can make up their own minds on this also, but the article above is hardly praise for Allen & that’s from an extremely Rangers Friendly journalist with club based connections (Rangers must find a replacement and an UPGRADE)

Allen put Gerrards name forward, King then took it on. He oversaw a rapid turnaround & uptake - he wasn’t terrible but he certainly isn’t irreplaceable either

We move on

(I have praised Allen where praise is due, I have maybe even been too generous of that in earlier days - that changed rapidly the more I found out)
Coming soon to a tabloid near you, a regurgitated negative Rangers clickbait story.
 

Tagsbear

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Pretty clear he rubbed journalists up the wrong way, they way Guidi spoke about him the other day, along with this article from Chris Jack, both saying more or less the same things about him being too involved with the 1st team etc make it seem like they weren’t getting what they wanted from him.

Gerrards comments seemed genuine and he seemed to get on well with him.
 

TynesideTrueBlue

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I’m guessing his failure to recoup money on the outgoing players has cost him his job. But then surly the board should not have sanctioned the pay offs and got deals done to move on players.
 

JMCK

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If I am reading between the line's correctly then I think Gerrard will be glad he's gone. I would also think Gerrard will have a big say in who his replacement is, the relationship between the DOF and manager is critical if both roles are to be a success.
The crucial point in all of this is where Gerrard's thoughts may be in this article
 

HandsomeHead

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I’m guessing his failure to recoup money on the outgoing players has cost him his job. But then surly the board should not have sanctioned the pay offs and got deals done to move on players.
In truth, I have sympathy for him if he was binned for that reason alone. It can’t be easy getting fees for players the club don’t want.

Something I haven’t seen anyone mention yet is a pay off.

It doesn’t read like he’s been sacked so I’m guessing there’s been some severance involved, which makes the idea that he was elbowed because we paid off too many unwanted employees more than a little ironic.
 

Derta

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I don't agree that a DoF shouldn't be in the public eye. His closeness to the first team and the management/coaching staff is crucial I think.

IMO the only way that the role can fulfill its true intentions (continuity in player recruitment and footballing philosophy from manager to manager) can only be achieved with the DoF being front and centre of the club.

Mark Allen never hid - and I liked that about him. We are a fickle support and if he had been totally anonymous we would have been calling for his head a year ago.

The article although decent is speculative and correct in one thing - only time will tell exactly how effective he was in the role. Until then we can only guess - the same as Chris Jack has just done.

Hopefully we get a superb replacement and one that pleases the Gaffer.
Sorry GG you little or nothing about his role if you think it is ok for him to be on the training field with players or on the park celebrating with them after victories.
These things were his downfall and did not go without notice of SG. I think in time you may even hear of the real tensions in the Gerard and Allen camps.
Any manager worth his salt will not allow interference in his territory at any football club
 

Blue Goose

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As @ID10 has mentioned his manner and behaviours towards staff at times was shocking and bordering on oppressive at times. Staff at the HTC stifled due to fear of losing their job. What I would say is that he did bring in a more professional outlook at HTC which was badly needed. As the article indicated his failures outweighed his successes. Let's just say that the biggest smile you are seeing at the HTC just now is the person who smiles the least. Hopefully he will go to pastures new and leave things as they stand.
 

Laudrup1

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The DoF is supposed to supersede the manager, and have a say in who the manager is, not vice versa. I think if Gerrard has his pick it sets up a very strange chain of command going forward.

It’ll be interesting to see how it works.
It's going to be a Technical Director rather than a DoF with Gerrard here. Might have been the case that with a Murty or Pedro it was a DoF needed.

Allen wasn't a DoF either before coming here though. He's helped turn the club around. Now we've got Stevie G, I'd be happy for an upgrade in the role that sits in the DoF / TD area
 

imager

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The DoF is supposed to supersede the manager, and have a say in who the manager is, not vice versa. I think if Gerrard has his pick it sets up a very strange chain of command going forward.

It’ll be interesting to see how it works.
That’s why we won’t have a DoF, we will have a Technical director who’s remit won’t include First team as that will be SGs dept.
 

Davie_Mitchell

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His output seems to be ok, but it was a bit of an open goal to be honest. Improvements to Ibrox and HTC were obviously needed.

On his player dealings, if he’d been ‘better’, we might have seen Grezda and Barasic out the door, but also Morelos and Tav sold for a big profit. That’s the model, after all.

I’m not sure he can negotiate that well, or we may have seen Kent arriving sooner and cheaper, along with the departure of AM & JT.
 

hms

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Reading between the lines, maybe he was the right man at the right time and that type is now no longer required.

With the words of @ID10 above it looks to be for the best that he’s ,over on and we search for someone more suitable for the role
 

KGR98

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He’s not well liked amongst people I know

Loves himself, is extremely rude & patronising - treated many members of staff like absolute shite. Man managed absolutely everything, way outside his remit even to point he wanted to manipulate tours etc

Failed to deliver many promises he made on signings then subsequently failed to correct these issues, these are ones he pushed for

He has cost us deals for players by being poor & elusive to deal with

Caused issues on the training pitch & in the dressing room (Celebrating with players etc - travelling on team bus)

Openly leaked information to carry favour & was subsequently cut out of deals to stop stuff being leaked

Amongst some of the things I have heard directly from people about him & I have long spoken about this & the fact this would come to an end

Personally, the dealings I have know of I am delighted he is gone

There are amongst my reasons for not liking him

Now I’ll also add this, Mark Allen was in the squad photo on Thursday afternoon

By 5pm that evening he was away

What sort of person, who knows he’s leaving, (for family reasons) sits in those pictures? You can make up your own mind to whether or not you think that family reasons is true etc


Allen undoubtedly did good things, to suggest he done them properly or people will lose sleep over him leaving are entirely different


People can make up their own minds on this also, but the article above is hardly praise for Allen & that’s from an extremely Rangers Friendly journalist with club based connections (Rangers must find a replacement and an UPGRADE)

Allen put Gerrards name forward, King then took it on. He oversaw a rapid turnaround & uptake - he wasn’t terrible but he certainly isn’t irreplaceable either

We move on

(I have praised Allen where praise is due, I have maybe even been too generous of that in earlier days - that changed rapidly the more I found out)
That does make him seem very vain and I did find it strange that he was always celebrating with the coaching staff in particular the times we made it to the group stages of Europe just seems to crave attention that isn't totally warranted
 

tazzabear

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A very good article

Perhaps people will read between the lines on it
I think I'm going to be thinking the same as you here and that this journalist, being a "friend of the club"and getting the narrative out there early proves it.
 

tazzabear

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I don't agree that a DoF shouldn't be in the public eye. His closeness to the first team and the management/coaching staff is crucial I think.

IMO the only way that the role can fulfill its true intentions (continuity in player recruitment and footballing philosophy from manager to manager) can only be achieved with the DoF being front and centre of the club.

Mark Allen never hid - and I liked that about him. We are a fickle support and if he had been totally anonymous we would have been calling for his head a year ago.

The article although decent is speculative and correct in one thing - only time will tell exactly how effective he was in the role. Until then we can only guess - the same as Chris Jack has just done.

Hopefully we get a superb replacement and one that pleases the Gaffer.
I don't get this part and it's a problem Ihave with the whole concept of the DoF.
What if it's the philosophy that is the problem?
How many managers will we go through before realising this?
To me it's jus another layer of management.
Some parts of the role are a neccesity but, to me, some are the manager's job.
 

Netherburntrueblue

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I drive a taxi and on Saturday night after a charity event at the Radstone Hotel I spoke to 2 different hires who attended, they told me when Kriss Boyd was asked about Mark Allen he said '' when he left man city they had a leaving party and he wasn't invited, and that it would be the same at Rangers "I wasn't there but 2 different set of people said the same thing, interesting if true.
 

Hipster Dashie

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When he came our footballing department was a shell. He rebuilt it

He rebuilt our squad

Hiss work was done. Time for someone different.
 

RFC_Champions

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I thought it was a tad strange when I seen him on the pitch joining in the celebrations following the Legia Warsaw victory.

Thought nothing more of it at the time though.
 

Neilstonger

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I don't agree that a DoF shouldn't be in the public eye. His closeness to the first team and the management/coaching staff is crucial I think.

IMO the only way that the role can fulfill its true intentions (continuity in player recruitment and footballing philosophy from manager to manager) can only be achieved with the DoF being front and centre of the club.

Mark Allen never hid - and I liked that about him. We are a fickle support and if he had been totally anonymous we would have been calling for his head a year ago.

The article although decent is speculative and correct in one thing - only time will tell exactly how effective he was in the role. Until then we can only guess - the same as Chris Jack has just done.

Hopefully we get a superb replacement and one that pleases the Gaffer.
I agree GG. The DoF, the manager, the kitman and even the wee woman who makes the tea can carry out their role in whatever way they choose as long as it brings results.

In football, the end definitely justifies the means.
 

CaptainCourageous

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That’s why we won’t have a DoF, we will have a Technical director who’s remit won’t include First team as that will be SGs dept.
Who will be involved in finding the future manager. Surely not the board of directors after the shambles they've been through?
 

Commentator

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For those of us who don't know can someone knowledgeable explain the role of Technical Director and where it would fit with us? Particularly what would Gerrard get out of it, didn't we have a TD before and why don't we have one now?
 

LOL 133

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The crucial detail being that it’s speculative, much like most of the shite that gets posted on here about him. I’m sure ID10 has a genuine reason for his opinion given his connections but since he never divulges the info on why he holds that option (no issue with that btw) I can’t say much.

But from the outside looking in, he did a reasonably good job and I wish him well. I’ll leave speculative pish to the media and the zoomers here.
You're a right piece of work.

You complain about people speculating about MA then at the same time give him credit while admitting, "from the outside looking in". A bit of speculating by yourself?

I notice also you aint too keen to argue against connected posters such as ID10. You're so transparent.

Hope you read Kris Commons' article and hope you were able to read between the lines. ID10 suggested this so you wont want to challenge this, will you?
 

Valley Bluenose

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Sorry GG you little or nothing about his role if you think it is ok for him to be on the training field with players or on the park celebrating with them after victories.
These things were his downfall and did not go without notice of SG. I think in time you may even hear of the real tensions in the Gerard and Allen camps.
Any manager worth his salt will not allow interference in his territory at any football club
On the back of the comments attributed to him in the Clubs announcement last week, Gerrard came out on Saturday with the quotes below. It seems clear Allen was a ‘difficult’ man but I’m not having this stuff about ‘tensions’ between the pair leading to Allen leaving. Gerrard is effusive in his praise of what the man achieved - at a time when he needn’t have offered any more than a few platitudes.

Steven Gerrard says he will play a role in finding a replacement for departed director of football Mark Allen .

The Rangers boss addressed the departure of Allen after watching his side beat Livingston 3-1 and insists he was eager for the Welshman to stay.
Allen played a pivotal role in the Ibrox side’s on-field rebuilding but left for family reasons after 27 months at the club.

Gerrard said: “It doesn’t change things for me in terms of my role and the day to day stuff. Of course there is a void there at the moment.

“Mark has been brilliant for me, he has given me incredible support. He sold the job for me, not that it needed selling. He was the one who came and got me so I appreciate the opportunity from him.

“But I totally respect and understand his decision, he has been away from his family for two years. He came in at a time at this club when it needed shaking up, he was the one who shook it up and get it to the point it is at now.

“I would have wanted him to stay around a bit longer to be honest of course but everyone has their time and Mark has decided he wants to go back to his family, I respect that.

"In terms of whether the club put similar type person in that role and how long that is going to take, they are questions you will probably have to ask the board. Will I be involved in the process? Probably.”

Gerrard admits there’s no timeframe on bringing in Allen’s successor but he believes they’ll be big shoes to fill.

He said: “I’m not in any rush, the club need to decide whether they want a technical director in and if the right person is out there. If they can find the right person, that is the main thing.

"There is no point filling it with just someone because I am sure there will be a queue for it. It has to be the right person, someone that compliments everything and all the hard work Mark has done. From where it was when he walked in the door to where it is now, he has done a hell of a job.

“He will always be my friend, and I enjoyed working with him. I have only good words to say about him.

“If you look at where the squad was and the team was to where it is now, I think he has completed the mission the club asked him to do. We all have to respect his decision, that’s the way it is.”
 

HandsomeHead

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Who will be involved in finding the future manager. Surely not the board of directors after the shambles they've been through?
This is a point we should be wary on.

Gerrard was Allen's idea, and although he was brought in in part to think more creatively about football related hires, ultimately his departure can be viewed as another appointment the board have not got right.

Can we be sure the next one will be better?

As others have suggested, I can see Gerrard having an input into whoever replaces Allen and to what extent, but that in itself will sit uneasily with the idea of the board having an overriding football strategy whose structure is designed to transcend managerial appointments.

Interesting times indeed.
 

LOL 133

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Thank you for your comments on Mark Allen ID10, I only met him once and was not impressed with him at all, I believe everything you have said about him, the guy is a w#nk
His interviews gave me the same impression though some posters on here dont count interviews apparently.
 

Dbear 65

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Agree with that too.
It’s important keeping SG and his backroom team sweet.

Anything in that rumor about Ross Wilson being interested this time FBB?
Or just hear say…
Wilson is highly unlikely, would cost way too much and he's already knocked back Dave King once, very few people get a second chance with our chairman.
 

Arminius

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He’s not well liked amongst people I know

Loves himself, is extremely rude & patronising - treated many members of staff like absolute shite. Man managed absolutely everything, way outside his remit even to point he wanted to manipulate tours etc

Failed to deliver many promises he made on signings then subsequently failed to correct these issues, these are ones he pushed for

He has cost us deals for players by being poor & elusive to deal with

Caused issues on the training pitch & in the dressing room (Celebrating with players etc - travelling on team bus)

Openly leaked information to carry favour & was subsequently cut out of deals to stop stuff being leaked

Amongst some of the things I have heard directly from people about him & I have long spoken about this & the fact this would come to an end

Personally, the dealings I have know of I am delighted he is gone

There are amongst my reasons for not liking him

Now I’ll also add this, Mark Allen was in the squad photo on Thursday afternoon

By 5pm that evening he was away

What sort of person, who knows he’s leaving, (for family reasons) sits in those pictures? You can make up your own mind to whether or not you think that family reasons is true etc


Allen undoubtedly did good things, to suggest he done them properly or people will lose sleep over him leaving are entirely different


People can make up their own minds on this also, but the article above is hardly praise for Allen & that’s from an extremely Rangers Friendly journalist with club based connections (Rangers must find a replacement and an UPGRADE)

Allen put Gerrards name forward, King then took it on. He oversaw a rapid turnaround & uptake - he wasn’t terrible but he certainly isn’t irreplaceable either

We move on

(I have praised Allen where praise is due, I have maybe even been too generous of that in earlier days - that changed rapidly the more I found out)
I’m inclined to believe that this ^^^^^ is pretty accurate.

I’m not reading into this that anyone, including you ID10, is saying Allen did a terrible job. My take on all of this is that he did an ok job but seemed to have an out of control ego that may have caused him to overstep the mark somewhat.

I think we can all agree that the improvements in Auchenhowie and around Ibrox are good news. How much of that was Allen and how much was Gerrard, we may never know. But you’re post makes a number of very interesting points, particularly the quite revealing issue of him plopping himself into the squad photo, hours before he got out of Dodge.

Anyway, I’m not going to be over critical of him, because he does seem to have been reasonably competent at his work. However, the necessary “upgrade” comment in his article is one I’m now persuaded is needed.
 

david1982

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I don't think it will be a DoF going forward, I reckon it will be a Technical Director sanctioned only by SG to do the non footballing side.
 

Roscoblue

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I said to my cousin that I thought it was cringeworthy as fk he was on the track after the Spartak game; that he must have made a conscious decision to start making his way down from the Director's box to trackside minutes before the final whistle to join in the celebrations like a member of the first team training staff. It all seemed pretty weird.
He done it at every single game.
 

JCDarcheville

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He’s not well liked amongst people I know

Loves himself, is extremely rude & patronising - treated many members of staff like absolute shite. Man managed absolutely everything, way outside his remit even to point he wanted to manipulate tours etc

Failed to deliver many promises he made on signings then subsequently failed to correct these issues, these are ones he pushed for

He has cost us deals for players by being poor & elusive to deal with

Caused issues on the training pitch & in the dressing room (Celebrating with players etc - travelling on team bus)

Openly leaked information to carry favour & was subsequently cut out of deals to stop stuff being leaked

Amongst some of the things I have heard directly from people about him & I have long spoken about this & the fact this would come to an end

Personally, the dealings I have know of I am delighted he is gone

There are amongst my reasons for not liking him

Now I’ll also add this, Mark Allen was in the squad photo on Thursday afternoon

By 5pm that evening he was away

What sort of person, who knows he’s leaving, (for family reasons) sits in those pictures? You can make up your own mind to whether or not you think that family reasons is true etc


Allen undoubtedly did good things, to suggest he done them properly or people will lose sleep over him leaving are entirely different


People can make up their own minds on this also, but the article above is hardly praise for Allen & that’s from an extremely Rangers Friendly journalist with club based connections (Rangers must find a replacement and an UPGRADE)

Allen put Gerrards name forward, King then took it on. He oversaw a rapid turnaround & uptake - he wasn’t terrible but he certainly isn’t irreplaceable either

We move on

(I have praised Allen where praise is due, I have maybe even been too generous of that in earlier days - that changed rapidly the more I found out)
Cheers for the insight.
 
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