Sheamaker
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Upper arm is classed as hand ball, as it has been for a long time in football. Correct decision.
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Upper arm is classed as hand ball, as it has been for a long time in football. Correct decision.
buffalosoldier
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Lot of ridiculous replies in this thread.
The introduction of VAR didn't rule the goal out. The introduction of a rule that a goal cannot stand if it has hit any part of the arm of an attacker in the immediate build up ruled it out. VAR just applied the laws of the game.
The introduction of VAR didn't rule the goal out. The introduction of a rule that a goal cannot stand if it has hit any part of the arm of an attacker in the immediate build up ruled it out. VAR just applied the laws of the game.
bluenosebazza
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I dont think there was anywhere else for LaPorte to put his arm anyway.
Leif Erikson
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Which makes it handball. Are you new to the game of football?
I don't care if it's the correct decision or not, VAR is a lot of shite.
It's going to get to the point soon where fans won't be able to celebrate because theres every chance the goal be will be disallowed a minute later.
I hope it stays well clear of Scottish football.
It's going to get to the point soon where fans won't be able to celebrate because theres every chance the goal be will be disallowed a minute later.
I hope it stays well clear of Scottish football.
The fact that NOT ONE Spurs player complained about it says it all for me.
Even Pochettino didn't notice it and now "loves" VAR.
Even Pochettino didn't notice it and now "loves" VAR.
Laudrup1
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So, two things.
1) The ref doesnt have to spot it as it will he picked up by the cameras and he cam concentrate on other points in the move.
2) is your argument that because the ref missed it Spurs would just have to accept the laws not being upheld?
It's a penalty. It's not VAR which makes it a penalty
I meant arm.
applebear1976
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up until this season it would have been classed as accidental..
BWO
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VAR did rule out the goal, because without VAR the goal would have stood without review, no?
VAR is still shite though, its fucking up the game.
Laudrup1
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Do you care if the ref gets a decision correct?
What's the difference? It's just the laws being applied.
As far as you're concerned, if that's your issue with VAR, we just do away with refs and operate on playground rules.
I can’t make up my mind on that. One hand, I’d love an impartial var.
The other hand. I love the instant joy that football brings. If we don’t have that, the game is nowhere near as fun to watch.
No smartarse!
It wasn't deliberate and was unavoidable but more importantly it was so slight that NOBODY on the field of play noticed it had happened!
My point is that micromanaging every small decision after the event of a goal will destroy our game as a live sport!
ferris72
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Just like speed camera will only be in accident blackspots and removed once there are no accidents for x months
Debating decisions has always been part of the game, this VAR pish is ruining the game imo
Realger34
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When you look at it again both hands are up, both went into head it, still think it’s harsh.
VAR won’t last
I hope not
Troy McClure
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The new rules around handball must have been written by someone who neither played football or even likes football.
It's not VAR's fault that this perfectly good goal got disallowed. It's the fault of rule makers who are totally ruining the greatest game in the world.
It's not VAR's fault that this perfectly good goal got disallowed. It's the fault of rule makers who are totally ruining the greatest game in the world.
bluenosebazza
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It is mad. You'll get defenders running about with arms pinned to their sides but if a cross flicks off the edge of an arm it's a penalty?
That's the new rule we have for attackers and look at the reaction after its happened a couple of times.
Troy McClure
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The process doesn't take away contentious decisions, it gets rid of stuff that is clearly and utterly wrong - there are always points of contention and interpretation
That was obvious? Not one spurs player even claimed for it.
Leif Erikson
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Not necessarily, the ref might still have deemed his arm to be in an unnatural position. That would still have been a foul last year.
Apologies for not being a mind reader. How the fuck was I supposed to get any of that from your post? All you said was the ball didn't hit his hand. I didn't say it was deliberate - it doesn't even matter. The rule states it's a handball so that's that.
I'm arguing that I think VAR is shite. I prefer the ref to make decisions.
Not hard to understand is it?
Shengus Malengus
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They don’t call you Big D for nothing.
Pentasa
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You would be homeless then as they would have said "was there a suggestion of handball" As they always go into great detail on sky in the after match coverage of any goal scored
applebear1976
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Nobody has mentioned that Jesus was having his arm pulled before the hand ball.
bluenosebazza
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Yep. I'm not a fan of VAR overall but this is the decisions it should be brought in to make. Simple yes or no decisions, like City's offside goal last week. 'Aye but it was only just offside.' It was offside though, whether it's 1 inch or 10 yards VAR is there to determine that.
Tonight it hit his arm, VAR was able to determine that. I think the rule is a complete bloody farce but that's not VAR deciding the rule, it's just applying it.
Sutton_Blows_goats
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This is my problem with VAR. VAR should be a safety net like in Tennis or Baseball, or NFL to catch a bad call or something missed by officials. If the opposition team feels an infringement was made they get 3 reviews, none of this reviewing loads of different incidents.
applebear1976
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is VAR going to be ruled out in all leagues of European football eventually?
if not surely it sets up a two tier reffing situation within UEFA?
if not surely it sets up a two tier reffing situation within UEFA?
Leif Erikson
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??
I'm not talking about the decision today. I'm talking about the hypothetical decision from last season that you first brought up.
bluenosebazza
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UEFA don't even have it at all stages in their own competitions.
applebear1976
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but surely if he didnt give it today then he may have not given it last season either?
applebear1976
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its a ridiculous situation
Laudrup1
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I understand exactly what you're saying.
You'd rather a ref got a decision wrong than the laws of the game were applied.
Celtic score in the last minute with a handball that should have been chalked off and you're standing there saying "fair fucks to them. I'm happy the ref got the chance to get that wrong"
That's what you're saying.
Do you think football fans at any club would cheer the Ref off if that decision was against their team.
applebear1976
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what is the point of having refs on the pitch, if they are not the final arbiters of the rules, surely it would be better not to bother having them?
I'm saying that's the way football has always been, some you win some you lose.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I just dont like this celebrating like %^*& for over a minute only for a goal to be ruled out.
Mistakes from refs are part of the game, just like mistakes from players.
Each to their own but thankfully it probably won't come up here due to lack of money.
