Clement Needs To Go

[SDF]

He didn't get the same budget in the previous or following seasons. That's still never been explained, but it is the root of our problems today.

Lundstram, Bacuna, Sakala and Ofoborh were positions where we needed improvements, but never at the standard needed. Genuinely only needed two players around the 5 or 6 million mark and we'd have pissed the league again, along with reaching the CL groups.

Sliding doors moment.

It was explained by the accounts released in November 2021. We lost £23m and there was no more in the pot.

Did we need two £6m signings to beat 10 man Malmo ?

 

[ecossebear]

As great as Walter was, it was common sense. We had Papac and Svensson at centre back.

Right now we are crying out for a decent centre half. We're desperate for wide players. We need a centre mid that can dominate the game. But these aren't new issues, it's been apparent for a while and not addressed.

To be fair to the manager and club, Propper was a captain in a big team in Holland and should have been the answer to it.

Wide players that’s back to Beales crazy idea of selling them all then deciding to play them (and the board for backing this madness!). Clement has tried to fix that with Cerny and Cortes.

Central midfielder has been obvious since Davis and I can’t understand why we’ve not tried to fix it! I said in the summer a Kenny McLean would have been a good option there.

 

[FDB1978]

It's not losses though, the transfer budget Gerrard got is sustainable for us and slightly less than Beale and Clement enjoyed in the last two summers. Less than Gio did too.

The aim is getting value, players that will immediately improve the starting line up.

Any further downsizing is getting rid of the expensive deadwood signed in the last few years. I believe Gerrard would have the current squad playing well instantly and would be trusted with a £10-12m budget in the summer.

I actually think Clement / Koppen would be ok spending the budget too. The problem is he's coaching us poorly and can't beat shit teams in Scotland.

it isn’t sustainable though we are running at a loss this season again. Realistically the only chance we have of catching them is qualifying for the UCL.

Spending £12m similar to what Gerrard did in his first season won’t be enough to overtake that lot as they’ll spend at a minimum double that while already having a better team.

I’d 100% agree we are poorly coached but a gaffer can only do so much with the tools at his disposal. We’d genuinely need to invest something like £25m to become champions again and have a near flawless summer window.

 

[ecossebear]

It was explained by the accounts released in November 2021. We lost £23m and there was no more in the pot.

Did we need two £6m signings to beat 10 man Malmo ?

That’s why I suggested loans with options or obligations to buy. 6 players instead of 3 and the same initial outlay.

 

[Chocolateleftfoot]

To be fair to the manager and club, Propper was a captain in a big team in Holland and should have been the answer to it.

Wide players that’s back to Beales crazy idea of selling them all then deciding to play them (and the board for backing this madness!). Clement has tried to fix that with Cerny and Cortes.

Central midfielder has been obvious since Davis and I can’t understand why we’ve not tried to fix it! I said in the summer a Kenny McLean would have been a good option there.

Mate, Propper might be the ideal centre back for the Dutch league but one look at him was surely all that was needed to realise he wouldn't be suited to this backwater.

But he was available and cheaper than Goldson over the same period. If this is the way we are going to go for squad building, it's very difficult to envision any meaningful success.

 

[Chocolateleftfoot]

That’s why I suggested loans with options or obligations to buy. 6 players instead of 3 and the same initial outlay.

I dare say if anyone could have predicted a European final and breaking our record sale twice not long after he left, not to mention the qualification for the Champions League not long after, he may have been afforded slightly more to spend but the revenues just weren't guaranteed. And if we spent more and he'd stayed, we probably don't get them.

 

[ecossebear]

Mate, Propper might be the ideal centre back for the Dutch league but one look at him was surely all that was needed to realise he wouldn't be suited to this backwater.

But he was available and cheaper than Goldson over the same period. If this is the way we are going to go for squad building, it's very difficult to envision any meaningful success.

I think he’s starting to come onto a game and he wasn’t that cheap. It’s disappointing as he was the one player I thought would be a definite success but as you say he doesn’t look cut out for the league mentally. Instead of just scouts we could do a lot worse than also appoint a psychiatrist to make sure we don’t keep ending up with bottlers!

 

[bluereason]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we finished the domestic season off well.
Our players have a bad bad habit of not coping very well with pressure.
Anytime we are in a position of strength and look like doing something positive, we generally fk it up. On the other hand, when we have little to no chance or are underdogs, we tend to do pretty well.
Having been involved both as a player and coach at the highest level in a particular sport, I can say without any doubt that that attitude is one of a loser.
Winners thrive on being in the fight and relish the challenges, losers look for a way out and then blame a whole myriad of things for their shortcomings.
We need rid of the guys who have been failures asap. It's the only way we become winners again amd it has to be done quickly otherwise it spreads l8ke a virus to the newer player.

Don’t know where you’ve played and coached but completely agree with this. It’s either in you or it’s not. Played with players on all sorts of levels myself including ex Rangers and Celtic players in charity games and lucky to have played at Auchenhowie and I can truly say that mentality in football is huge. This lot we have just now just seem to play the A game when under no pressure which is not the sign of champions.

 

[ecossebear]

I dare say if anyone could have predicted a European final and breaking our record sale twice not long after he left, not to mention the qualification for the Champions League not long after, he may have been afforded slightly more to spend but the revenues just weren't guaranteed. And if we spent more and he'd stayed, we probably don't get them.

Yeah fair point. It’s all very well with the benefit of hindsight saying we should have, but as you say it’s then the butterfly effect and a small change could have had drastically different outcomes! Maybe loans with options could have been used and if we qualified for the champions league for example we bought them and if we failed then we didn’t take the options up. Pointless hypothetical right enough!

 

[CortesGoldenBoots]

The board shouldn't be making their decisions based on what the fans think or want. They are on the board because they make the big buck decisions on what is best for the club, whether the fans ask for it or not.

And they don't exactly have a great track record so far.

Let's hope they don't tune in for the teeth gnashing on here then.

I agree with you though; leadership is sometimes about doing things that are deeply unpopular, because what's popular is frequently wrong. So having committed to the path that they did last summer, they now have to give it every possible chance to work.

 

[ecossebear]

Don’t know where you’ve played and coached but completely agree with this. It’s either in you or it’s not. Played with players on all sorts of levels myself including ex Rangers and Celtic players in charity games and lucky to have played at Auchenhowie and I can truly say that mentality in football is huge. This lot we have just now just seem to play the A game when under no pressure which is not the sign of champions.

I actually just said on the Gerrard thread that mentality and mindset is absolutely huge for a club like us. Far too many very talented and good players have found the jersey too big. If you have limited ability but the right mentality you tend to have much more support. Examples of players like that are Scott Wright, McAusland, Broadfoot, Chris Burke, Bob Malcolm. Players who would never have been near the club far less regulars if they didn’t have the mentality they had.

 

[Chocolateleftfoot]

Let's hope they don't tune in for the teeth gnashing on here then.

I agree with you though; leadership is sometimes about doing things that are deeply unpopular, because what's popular is frequently wrong. So having committed to the path that they did last summer, they now have to give it every possible chance to work.

Mate, it's over. Give it up.

 

[Barrymoped]

Let's hope they don't tune in for the teeth gnashing on here then.

I agree with you though; leadership is sometimes about doing things that are deeply unpopular, because what's popular is frequently wrong. So having committed to the path that they did last summer, they now have to give it every possible chance to work.

In general terms I agree.

But I think they have given it every chance to work, despite having to reduce wages, he was still given a fair wedge to spend.

Ive always been one to give managers and players a fair crack, but there comes a time when you just have to say it hasn’t worked and cut ties.

 

[SDF]

Let's hope they don't tune in for the teeth gnashing on here then.

I agree with you though; leadership is sometimes about doing things that are deeply unpopular, because what's popular is frequently wrong. So having committed to the path that they did last summer, they now have to give it every possible chance to work.

So when is the cut off point ? This month ? This season ? Next season ? Five years like John Greig got ?

16 points behind, 20 odds goals behind, truly awful away record, over reliance on individuality, a lack of pace, a lack of power, a lack of athleticism, inability to defend cross balls and set pieces, the worst cup defeat in history not enough of a hint that maybe sticking with this guy will get us nowhere ?

His latest leadership move is chucking an 18 year old kid under the bus to justify subbing him instead of his under performing multi million pound signings.

 

[Proximo]

The blunt truth is we are probably further behind them now financially than we were in 2018 so you’d need a lot more than a £10m net spend to turn things around. Back then they spent about £12/13m on players this season they’ve spent £43m.

They are 13/16 points ahead currently and about to win yet another treble. I just don’t see what’s in it for SG to come back get grief for two or three years till he gets the team up to speed and eventually gets frustrated when we can’t move to the next level.

we don't need millions upon millions to beat the dross in Scotland and compete with them. We just need to spend what we do have wisely.

Play an attacking style of football, sign players to fit in that system, and go from there.

We have a scattergun approach to signings and our tactics are dire.

 

[Growler]

Totally disagree.

Would our new manager rather go into the massive CL qualifiers having been in the job for 3 months or after pre season training and a few friendlies? What scenario prepares him better both for they games and the season ahead?

It wouldn’t be that though. It would be 3 months of limping on, blaming not having a pre-season and generally a massive deflation going into the qualifiers.

There’s a reason Gerrard refused to take it until the Summer. And there’s a reason Pedro didn’t.

 

[Now and forever]

It wouldn’t be that though. It would be 3 months of limping on, blaming not having a pre-season and generally a massive deflation going into the qualifiers.

There’s a reason Gerrard refused to take it until the Summer. And there’s a reason Pedro didn’t.

Loads have and any new manager would have a pre season along with a 3 month period to assess exactly what's needed and get stuff in place

 

[Candyass]

That’s why I suggested loans with options or obligations to buy. 6 players instead of 3 and the same initial outlay.

That's a pretty fair suggestion actually.

Too worried about the perception of loanong players I suspect.

 

[CortesGoldenBoots]

In general terms I agree.

But I think they have given it every chance to work, despite having to reduce wages, he was still given a fair wedge to spend.

Ive always been one to give managers and players a fair crack, but there comes a time when you just have to say it hasn’t worked and cut ties.

I can't really see Clement winning the fans back over unless something spectacular happens between now and the end of the season; but the squad is still vastly understrength, so it doesn't look like that consistency will materialise in the short term anyway. We also have a stinking run of away fixtures starting tomorrow, which legislates against any newcomer hitting the ground running. It doesn't matter how often people say that they wouldn't hold sketchy results in these fixtures against any newcomer, history attests that they will. So if I was on the board I would be sticking with Clement at least until late spring/ early summer. If he hasn't achieved consistency by then then we revise our plans in time for summer planning.

AFAICS, apart from dissipating some of the angst surrounding the club, sacking the manager right now achieves little good.

 

[Growler]

Loads have and any new manager would have a pre season along with a 3 month period to assess exactly what's needed and get stuff in place

Or he’s got 3 months for these players to let him down whilst having nothing to play for and some knowing they’re leaving - resulting in our famously impatient fans turning and souring the atmosphere before the summer.

 

[GBY74]

Financially we are in terms of what each club can spend now.

Perhaps the gap isn’t as big on the park at the minute as in 2018 but they have the funds to outspend us by three or four times now if they really want to.

We are in a downsizing phase basically having to pay other clubs to take our players right now. We just don’t have the funds to completely rebuild the way we did under SG first time as we can’t cover those kind of losses anymore.

Some of our fans need to grasp that under this board seasons like this one are going to be the norm till something sizeable happens.

While getting rid of clueless Clement is a good start no manager is going to come in and wave a magic wand instantly and make us champions. It’s going to take potentially 2-3 years of hard work something I don’t think SG would be in the least bit interested in as he’s already done it before.

We've got plenty of talent in the squad and with a new manager like Gerrard he'd give the place a massive lift, coach the team properly and add a couple of quality players we'd be competitive almost instantly.

 

[GBY74]

It was explained by the accounts released in November 2021. We lost £23m and there was no more in the pot.

Did we need two £6m signings to beat 10 man Malmo ?

We shouldn't have but they'd have certainly helped.

 

[Now and forever]

Or he’s got 3 months for these players to let him down whilst having nothing to play for and some knowing they’re leaving - resulting in our famously impatient fans turning and souring the atmosphere before the summer.

That would be true if we go out and appoint the wrong manager again. The whole point of change is to appoint a manager who can improve what's there then strengthen in the summer. There is not a big club on the planet that is scared to appoint a manager incase some of their lesser clued up fans turn on him because they dont have the sense to judge him next season.

 

[YorkshireBlue]

It was explained by the accounts released in November 2021. We lost £23m and there was no more in the pot.

Did we need two £6m signings to beat 10 man Malmo ?

Covid had the biggest impact in that loss. The income that followed showed he was providing tangible assets. He should have been given the same budget.

Malmö was a result of the team becoming flat. Failing to back him clearly had an effect on the team. We saw that with 3 draws at home in the league and a defeat at Tannadice. Board had no vision or strategy, and we're still paying for it.

 

[Thewandofpedro]

Let's hope they don't tune in for the teeth gnashing on here then.

I agree with you though; leadership is sometimes about doing things that are deeply unpopular, because what's popular is frequently wrong. So having committed to the path that they did last summer, they now have to give it every possible chance to work.

Clement has had a year already to show he can take us forward.

We have been dire for nearly a year after we blew up v Motherwell in early March last year.

Gio and Beale got sacked for less.

He’s absolutely cooked, finished. And if he’s not gone shortly a lot of our attendees at home games will be

 

[Peterhead True Blues]

191 pages on this thread when the OP nails it. Genuinely can't believe that Clement will still be in dugout against Hearts.

 

[YorkshireBlue]

it isn’t sustainable though we are running at a loss this season again. Realistically the only chance we have of catching them is qualifying for the UCL.

Spending £12m similar to what Gerrard did in his first season won’t be enough to overtake that lot as they’ll spend at a minimum double that while already having a better team.

I’d 100% agree we are poorly coached but a gaffer can only do so much with the tools at his disposal. We’d genuinely need to invest something like £25m to become champions again and have a near flawless summer window.

Apart from Summer 2021, that has been our regular transfer budget since Pedro.

It needs European success, good coaching and developing assets to take us to the next level where we win consecutive titles and become a CL team.

I believe Gerrard was building that, but the Parks put us in reverse gear that summer.

With this current squad, I believe he can turn us back around in a very short space of time.

If not him, then we need someone to replace Clement who can find and develop value.

 

[Growler]

That would be true if we go out and appoint the wrong manager again. The whole point of change is to appoint a manager who can improve what's there then strengthen in the summer. There is not a big club on the planet that is scared to appoint a manager incase some of their lesser clued up fans turn on him because they dont have the sense to judge him next season.

Doesn’t matter who the manager is if there’s literally nothing to play for. You can’t force players to care. Which is why we won’t appoint a manager until the Summer, as it doesn’t matter who the manager is until then - and if anything, Clement is the best bet for generating extra European income.

 

[SDF]

Covid had the biggest impact in that loss. The income that followed showed he was providing tangible assets. He should have been given the same budget.

Malmö was a result of the team becoming flat. Failing to back him clearly had an effect on the team. We saw that with 3 draws at home in the league and a defeat at Tannadice. Board had no vision or strategy, and we're still paying for it.

Completely agree with your first point. Players improved under Gerrard and he constantly increased the value of the squad.

Look at who we've sold for good to great money - Bassey, Aribo, Sakala, Patterson, Kamara were all his players he either bought or brought through. That's £53m worth of talent sold although being fair Gio deserves enormous credit for Big Calvin's development as well.

Look at Gio and Beale's players - we cannot give them away at profit with the notable exception of Tony Goals and even that was a small profit. We're paying other teams to play them or they're going for buttons.

 

[YorkshireBlue]

Completely agree with your first point. Players improved under Gerrard and he constantly increased the value of the squad.

Look at who we've sold for good to great money - Bassey, Aribo, Sakala, Patterson, Kamara were all his players he either bought or brought through. That's £53m worth of talent sold although being fair Gio deserves enormous credit for Big Calvin's development as well.

Look at Gio and Beale's players - we cannot give them away at profit with the notable exception of Tony Goals and even that was a small profit. We're paying other teams to play them or they're going for buttons.

Yeah, that's a big part of the problem. Value of the squad is very poor and it does matter when it comes to winning things.

I didn't want Gerrard to sell Kent or Morelos, but he should have sold Borna.

Agree Gio deserves credit for developing the squad too. His tactical awareness made Aribo and Bassey more versatile, taking them both competing at better levels.

I don't think Clement has improved a single player, and his poor coaching doesn't help, although I do think his signings are better than Beale or Gio.

 

[Thewandofpedro]

Yeah, that's a big part of the problem. Value of the squad is very poor and it does matter when it comes to winning things.

I didn't want Gerrard to sell Kent or Morelos, but he should have sold Borna.

Agree Gio deserves credit for developing the squad too. His tactical awareness made Aribo and Bassey more versatile, taking them both competing at better levels.

I don't think Clement has improved a single player, and his poor coaching doesn't help, although I do think his signings are better than Beale or Gio.

Clement is done.

He’s a boring personality with a boring way of playing.

Halliday summed it up when he said we just rely on moments of brilliance from cerny or Igamane pulling it out the fire.

The bloke is so far out of his depth at a club like ours. He just doesn’t understand Rangers Football Club

 

[Now and forever]

Doesn’t matter who the manager is if there’s literally nothing to play for. You can’t force players to care. Which is why we won’t appoint a manager until the Summer, as it doesn’t matter who the manager is until then - and if anything, Clement is the best bet for generating extra European income.

It matters who the manager is for forward planning for next season. It gives him a far better preparation for the CL qualifiers if he was in now compared to going into them on the back of a few friendlies. This is not about this season.

 

[YorkshireBlue]

Clement is done.

He’s a boring personality with a boring way of playing.

Halliday summed it up when he said we just rely on moments of brilliance from cerny or Igamane pulling it out the fire.

The bloke is so far out of his depth at a club like ours. He just doesn’t understand Rangers Football Club

I agree, and a few weeks ago I wanted his project to be played out. The awful results either side of the Old Firm win and Queens Park killed that. He can’t be trusted any longer, he’s done.

 

[Peterhead True Blues]

Doesn’t matter who the manager is if there’s literally nothing to play for. You can’t force players to care. Which is why we won’t appoint a manager until the Summer, as it doesn’t matter who the manager is until then - and if anything, Clement is the best bet for generating extra European income.

By no means am I a fan of Clement but to be fair Raskin has went to another level under him. As has Igamane. He didn't arrive from what can only be described as an amateur league in Morocco to be as good as he has shown in spells. Emphasis on the spells because thats all it has been he's a long way to go but he has all the attributes and potential to get there

Edit: this was a reply for a post about Clement not improving a single player

 

[Davie Weir]

Think that is mental mate but entitled to your opinion.

I don’t think it is and plenty see the same

I think metal would be employing yet another manager mid season when we know we’re a shambles

 

[Bear with a sore head]

Might be stating the obvious but I think Clements biggest failing is his inability to adapt to Scottish football.

We had a decent start to his reign until teams started to suss out that a "low block" would be effective and he has been struggling for answers since. We have had a decent run of results when the pressure is off and when teams come to Ibrox with its bigger spaces to stretch teams.

Playing on a smaller cramped pitch with a team sitting in we really struggle. Tynecastle is one of those venues so we'll see tomorrow- that said I wouldn't be surprised if we win comfortably and Clement will praise the players for their reaction, overlooking the fact that this is now a dead rubber.

We are treading water until the summer at which point the board must sack him.

 

[gersrus71]

Stewart is clearly there to do what the board tell him. Any decent CEO would've sacked Clement straight after the game on Sunday as there is no chance he's winning the fans over none whatsoever.

Every CEO has to do what the board tells them.
He can recommend Clement is sacked but if the board don’t sign off on it then it won’t happen.
Your post sounds like a needless dig at Stewart when it is the board that need chased.

 

[Now and forever]

I don’t think it is and plenty see the same

I think metal would be employing yet another manager mid season when we know we’re a shambles

Because we won't be a shambles in the summer?

Whatever way you look at it, choosing the option that gives any new manager the worst preparation for next season is mental.

 

[Barrymoped]

Every CEO has to do what the board tells them.
He can recommend Clement is sacked but if the board don’t sign off on it then it won’t happen.
Your post sounds like a needles dig at Stewart when it is the board that need chased.

I agree with most of your point, ie Stewart cannot make big decisions like that without the boards agreement.

That said, we can’t simply chase the board, when they are major shareholders and plough millions in every year unless there others willing to do that, and more, and to me it’s clear there simply isn’t.

 

[SDF]

Every CEO has to do what the board tells them.
He can recommend Clement is sacked but if the board don’t sign off on it then it won’t happen.
Your post sounds like a needles dig at Stewart when it is the board that need chased.

I agree but if that's the case we've got a problem if the CEO who is running the club day to day is calling for sacking the manager and is being told no by the board.

 

[gersrus71]

I agree but if that's the case we've got a problem if the CEO who is running the club day to day is calling for sacking the manager and is being told no by the board.

Exactly this that’s why I said it’s the board or at least some of them that need chased.
The anger should all be directed at them, that’s the only thing that will make them take action as the egos won’t be able to take it.
Yes Clement needs to be gone however directing all the anger at him and/or Stewart is perfect for the board and keeps them out the firing line.

 

[FDB1978]

Apart from Summer 2021, that has been our regular transfer budget since Pedro.

It needs European success, good coaching and developing assets to take us to the next level where we win consecutive titles and become a CL team.

I believe Gerrard was building that, but the Parks put us in reverse gear that summer.

With this current squad, I believe he can turn us back around in a very short space of time.

If not him, then we need someone to replace Clement who can find and develop value.

In our first two seasons under SG we lost about £27m net, under Pedro we lost £6.7m that might be our regular budget but without a major sale or UCL football it simply isn’t sustainable.

I’m also not sure that a squad who are currently 13/16 points behind and just lost to Queen’s Park is as good as some fans think. Even accounting for PC we should be beating a mob like that with a traffic cone as manager.

We have a squad who can play above themselves in individual games but will fall well short of winning the league.

 

[Growler]

It matters who the manager is for forward planning for next season. It gives him a far better preparation for the CL qualifiers if he was in now compared to going into them on the back of a few friendlies. This is not about this season.

Would totally agree with you if I thought the fans wouldn’t still form an opinion on this season though and if what happened this season wouldn’t have a shred of impact on next.

 

[Now and forever]

Would totally agree with you if I thought the fans wouldn’t still form an opinion on this season though and if what happened this season wouldn’t have a shred of impact on next.

The ill informed fans you speak of can do what they want it's what's best for the manager and teams preparation for next season. And that certainly isn't going into CL qualifiers with a brand new manager on the back of a few friendlies.

 

[Chocolateleftfoot]

Would totally agree with you if I thought the fans wouldn’t still form an opinion on this season though and if what happened this season wouldn’t have a shred of impact on next.

Why do you think this season would have a bearing on next? Last seasons has no bearing on this one.

Clement is under pressure because of his failings this season. People may mention what happened last season but they wouldn't had he managed to do his job to an acceptable level this season.

 

[Colinstein69]

Covid had the biggest impact in that loss. The income that followed showed he was providing tangible assets. He should have been given the same budget.

Malmö was a result of the team becoming flat. Failing to back him clearly had an effect on the team. We saw that with 3 draws at home in the league and a defeat at Tannadice. Board had no vision or strategy, and we're still paying for it.

The physical and mental condition of the squad at the start of that season was nothing short of a disgrace and the fault for that lies squarely on Gerrard.

For whatever reason he'd checked out at a time when there was a very real opportunity to push on and become the dominant force in Scottish football again. I can't forgive that.

 

[A_W_K]

Ross County went 1 year and 3 months without an away win however are now on the same amount of wins as Rangers (4) in the league this season.

 

[The Goalie]

Ross County went 1 year and 3 months without an away win however are now on the same amount of wins as Rangers (4) in the league this season.

How many away wins did Rangers have in that 15 month period you mention?

 

[Blootoonboy]

Might be stating the obvious but I think Clements biggest failing is his inability to adapt to Scottish football.

We had a decent start to his reign until teams started to suss out that a "low block" would be effective and he has been struggling for answers since. We have had a decent run of results when the pressure is off and when teams come to Ibrox with its bigger spaces to stretch teams.

Playing on a smaller cramped pitch with a team sitting in we really struggle. Tynecastle is one of those venues so we'll see tomorrow- that said I wouldn't be surprised if we win comfortably and Clement will praise the players for their reaction, overlooking the fact that this is now a dead rubber.

We are treading water until the summer at which point the board must sack him.

I don't actually believe this, teams have always sat in and defended deep against us, only a few teams will open up and have a go in Scotland.

We got the new manager bounce and then the players reverted to type.

Clement simply doesn't have the tactical sense, man management and ability to get through to these players to combat the hammer throwers. We all know playing high intensity, fluid and quick football can open up teams but its harder to coach than the "horseshoe" and we probably don't have players capable.

Clement can however set up a team to play in Europe which is a surprise, I was more confident going to Old Trafford or Nice than I am about Hearts away for example.

 

[YorkshireBlue]

In our first two seasons under SG we lost about £27m net, under Pedro we lost £6.7m that might be our regular budget but without a major sale or UCL football it simply isn’t sustainable.

I’m also not sure that a squad who are currently 13/16 points behind and just lost to Queen’s Park is as good as some fans think. Even accounting for PC we should be beating a mob like that with a traffic cone as manager.

We have a squad who can play above themselves in individual games but will fall well short of winning the league.

It's bad because of the manager, but not Pedro bad. Remember they were horsing us 4 or 5 nil with ease home and away. That 5-0 match could have been about 9.

This is a good squad of players with deadwood already on the way out. They need coached properly as a unit rather than relying on moments.