Corbyns idea to 'nationalise' football Clubs

[Northampton_Loyalist]

Very few leagues in Europe will consistently have a title winner that changes from season to season. Doesnt happen in Spain. Doesnt happen in Italy. Doesnt happen in England. League titles are shared between 2 or 3 clubs.

Kind of my point, Germany is no different...

But throughout the top flight there's a far higher standard in Germany. There is more competition between teams. It's a great league to watch as a spectator. It's contributed to the strength of the German national team.

Unfortunately, this is simply untrue (well, apart from the national team part I guess). Their league is the same as any other league in that there are some decent matches in mid table, some absolute hidings handed down and that there is a cadre of shite at the bottom. Recent European competitions prove this to be true.

Bayern are a huge team. They're not reliant on money from a single owner or investor. They're big because they've been run fantastically well. They're an example of great football governance rather than dodgy deals with city councils (Real, Barcelona), big investment from questionable individuals (Man City, Chelsea) or owners loading teams with debt (Inter, Juve, Milan, Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal).

A single team out of a nation does not prove that the model works. It proves that they have made the model work.

Checks and balances are good, supporters having control is good, safeguarding clubs is good. All valid reasons for supporter involvement. Better football is NOT, at all, a reason for it.

 

[TCWNS1872]

The Loony Leftist makes Michael Foot look like Einstein. He was asked for his opinion on BoJo's new deal when news of it broke the other night and his glasses weren't even straight on his face ffs!

This clown will scupper any good idea about collectivism and cooperative ownership just by being him.

 

[GallowgateBlue]

Britain is doomed when you have folk like JC with general back from a fair % of people. Guy is a grade A cock just like most of the other politicians. Has politics always just been a popularity and shameful contest? When did the will of the people and the common man lose, or has it ever been the case?

 

[hms]

Millionaire champagne socialist Jeremy Corbyn absolutely reeks of Diane Abbott’s fanny batter.

He’s a poisoned bastard that will never be in the top job

 

[Mexi]

Like Club 1872 which is basically set up to achieve just exactly what he is proposing.

It is not set up to get rid of Dave King

 

[Gordy Boy]

Anti-semitic space cadet

 

[Graemelins]

It is not set up to get rid of Dave King

Your missing the point mate. It’s about insuring against future unscrupulously types.

 

[Mexi]

Germany is a red herring. Most years it's Bayern winning, and the same three or four teams competing for the other CL slots. The mid table and relegation battlers rarely change, Frankfurt being an exception. Red Bull as well, but that's for capitalist reasons

 

[Mexi]

Your missing the point mate. It’s about insuring against future unscrupulously types.

The SFA still haven't cleared Alistair Johnston as being fit and proper. Do you want the government making those decisions?

 

[RFC_Falkirk]

The SFA still haven't cleared Alistair Johnston as being fit and proper. Do you want the government making those decisions?

What does the SFA have to do with the government

 

[Sam English]

Communist bastard

 

[Mexi]

What does the SFA have to do with the government

If they bend the rules to suit, so would Holyrood. And I don't see us getting favours from a Corbyn led Westminster

 

[55degreesnorth]

The only thing that is 100% evident on here is who the Corbyn fans are.

 

[giogaddi]

I respectfully disagree.

Take away the money and you have an average sporting contest between 2 teams.....Add the money and you have the best competing against the best.

Actually, you don't. And some people watch football at all levels. It's got absolutely nothing to do with money. Children don't start playing football for financial rewards.

 

[temperance]

Aye right, zLabour have had great results when they nationalised industry’s Corbyn wouldn’t recognise a football if he got hit in the face with one.

 

[RaoulDuke11]

Hideous mindset my arse and somewhat hypocritical coming from a Rangers supporter.

Hypocritical how?

Rangers have more money to spend over every other Scottish team bar the Paedo Harbourers as we sell 50k season tickets and have a massive global support to monetise.

Bournemouth have WAAAAAY more money to spend than Rangers because they happen to "compete" - as also-rans - in the most heavily marketed, TV-rich league in the world: the global corporation that is the English Premier League.

How any one can argue that the sport has not improved as a result of more money being pumped into the game is beyond me.

I guess it all comes down to why it is that you love football.

Is it the ability to watch two teams populated by multi-millionaires passing a bladder of air around the pitch in an aesthetically pleasing fashion, whilst spectators discuss the relative merits of Ozil's latest contract, Neymar's 9 figure release clause or decide which of the top 2-3 teams from Europe's elite 3-4 leagues will win this season's "Champions" League once the pre-determined, seed-weighted, slanted co-efficiencies have been worked out to ensure a maximum number of games between the "elite" clubs and therefore an increase in TV revenue to allow the whole cycle to continue....

Or is it the Unknown; the possibility that this year it might happen, that May seems a lifetime away in August and anything can occur from now until then that'll lead to unbridled and ecstatic joy or utter fucking dejection... Is it the Hope?

(A HINT :- it should be the latter, but that mindset is more of a rose-tinted memory thanks, wholly, due to the inherent mechanisms of the "improved" product you're arguing on behalf of).

I do accept that this whole thing is extremely subjective, so neither of us are wholly correct. It's all about opinions mate, I just fucking detest the mechanisms which have led to huge clubs throughout the world being financially dominated by comparatively tiny, parochial clubs who are otherwise happy to just avoid relegation from their cash-cow division.

 

[Ticketybloo]

The Guys a Feckin Loon.

 

[derbyloyal]

Corbyn's a wank but I agree with the majority of what Labour had in their last election manifesto. I also agree with the sentiment of this idea.

 

[usbear]

Actually, you don't. And some people watch football at all levels. It's got absolutely nothing to do with money. Children don't start playing football for financial rewards.

Of course they don’t

Children don’t understand money

Let me ask you what do you think drives Alfredo Morelos to be the best striker in Scotland?

 

[usbear]

Hypocritical how?

Rangers have more money to spend over every other Scottish team bar the Paedo Harbourers as we sell 50k season tickets and have a massive global support to monetise.

Bournemouth have WAAAAAY more money to spend than Rangers because they happen to "compete" - as also-rans - in the most heavily marketed, TV-rich league in the world: the global corporation that is the English Premier League.



I guess it all comes down to why it is that you love football.

Is it the ability to watch two teams populated by multi-millionaires passing a bladder of air around the pitch in an aesthetically pleasing fashion, whilst spectators discuss the relative merits of Ozil's latest contract, Neymar's 9 figure release clause or decide which of the top 2-3 teams from Europe's elite 3-4 leagues will win this season's "Champions" League once the pre-determined, seed-weighted, slanted co-efficiencies have been worked out to ensure a maximum number of games between the "elite" clubs and therefore an increase in TV revenue to allow the whole cycle to continue....

Or is it the Unknown; the possibility that this year it might happen, that May seems a lifetime away in August and anything can occur from now until then that'll lead to unbridled and ecstatic joy or utter fucking dejection... Is it the Hope?

(A HINT :- it should be the latter, but that mindset is more of a rose-tinted memory thanks, wholly, due to the inherent mechanisms of the "improved" product you're arguing on behalf of).

I do accept that this whole thing is extremely subjective, so neither of us are wholly correct. It's all about opinions mate, I just fucking detest the mechanisms which have led to huge clubs throughout the world being financially dominated by comparatively tiny, parochial clubs who are otherwise happy to just avoid relegation from their cash-cow division.

I agree it is relative by team, by league, by competition.

Fundamentally every sport is about competition

Competition is improved with financial incentive

Competition in its purest form is the best v the best

I agree football is a game of chance, it can be unpredictable. In my opinion the unexpected and competition are not mutually exclusive. Without competition the unexpected becomes less interesting.

Is this not the case for most Rangers supporters? We want to win every game and every competition. We are limited by the league we play in but if offered to be in European league where we could make more money and buy better players and compete with the best....would we realistically say no thanks we quite like playing Livi on a green carpet 4 times a year cheerio!

That’s why I think you’re being hypocritical.

 

[Southernlion]

Aye right, zLabour have had great results when they nationalised industry’s Corbyn wouldn’t recognise a football if he got hit in the face with one.

Actually they did have. Railways running at a profit; NHS still going, despite tories best efforts.

In the light of Thomas Cook, Post Office, British Airways, etc etc aa a contrast can anyone name any industries that have been privatised and have been a success. There must be some, somewhere