World Cup 2022 Costa Rica v Germany, Japan v Spain, Canada v Morocco, Croatia v Belgium - Thursday 1st

[Alvor]

All of the ball, every single bit of it must be over the line for it to be out

Why Japan’s goal was not out of play

A look at why Japan's controversial second goal against Spain was given by the VAR.

www.90min.com

 

[Blue Zebra]

You started it!

Sure. Never surrender. Eventhough the German national team is not my concern. The discussion around the team and the German view on the WC in general is unfair and full of anti Germsn emotions.

You started it!

 

[DavieM]

It absolutely hasn’t.

It clearly has as the assistant linesman tonight proved.

 

[DJ Blue]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598431383038337051

 

[Dynamo]

It clearly has as the assistant linesman tonight proved.

No, the assistant referee thought all of the ball had crossed all of the line - because that’s the rule.

They were mistaken.

 

[DavieM]

No, the assistant referee thought all of the ball had crossed all of the line - because that’s the rule.

They were mistaken.

Shite.

 

[HowdenEnder]

Sure. Never surrender. Eventhough the German national team is not my concern. The discussion around the team and the German view on the WC in general is unfair and full of anti Germsn emotions.

It was a joke, my Bratwurst munching friend. Perhaps you are not familiar with Basil Fawlty?

 

[SpandauBear]

Looking at Germany's main red top the headlines aren't about Japan's goal and VAR but the dropping of points earlier in the competition plus the flight home being organised before their match for Friday afternoon!

German pundits here are saying ball was in, and that it was correct to give the goal if the referees felt the footage was inconclusive.

I wonder how the English pundits would have analysed it if they had been in Germany‘s shoes tonight. They‘d likely silll be talking about it in ten years time

 

[Bob Belcher]

Case closed

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598410546482651180

 

[Dynamo]

Shite.

 

[TBagg]

Hi Doc. I hope, eventhough I am German, I am not an arrogant c..t. The team went out due to their own inabilities, no whining about a Japanese goal that might by off line. But why always these bad feelings in general. Always open for critic, but there seems some inexplicable and unnecessary undercurrents.

Nobody likes to see Die ManShaft flop

 

[Blue Phoenix]

German pundits here are saying ball was in, and that it was correct to give the goal if the referees felt the footage was inconclusive.

I wonder how the English pundits would have analysed it if they had been in Germany‘s shoes tonight. They‘d likely silll be talking about it in ten years time

In 56 years time. As Tyldesley did tonight.

 

[Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598410546482651180

No need, the angle shows the ball clearly in play.

 

[Leif Erikson]

Necessitated by the 10 man defence.

They do it every game and were doing it in the first half tonight when Japan weren't sitting in.

 

[Agent P]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598420815401328646

 

[Blue Zebra]

Nobody likes to see Die ManShaft flop

Actually I do.Ain't it all about the GERS here? It is about the comments, not worth the Rangers supporter value set up.

 

[rossgers]

What gets me is why the feck VAR final decision needs done by the on field ref. If the guys in VAR room are all qualified Grade 1 refs, and have all this tech and angles and ability to discuss with each other, why does the on field ref need to ever go look?

Because The Referees decision is final.

 

[Andrew webb]

Can Japan win the World Cup?

Can't see it
France is my tip

 

[LucyBlue]

Thanks for that.

Definitive angle.

Ball was in play.

 

[DocStone]

Hi Doc. I hope, eventhough I am German, I am not an arrogant c..t. The team went out due to their own inabilities, no whining about a Japanese goal that might by off line. But why always these bad feelings in general. Always open for critic, but there seems some inexplicable and unnecessary undercurrents.

I do apologise, I was just having a joke and I had hoped that was conveyed in the way I had posted.

FFS, my favourite band in Helloween, I love the Germans

 

[Blue Zebra]

It was a joke, my Bratwurst munching friend. Perhaps you are not familiar with Basil Fawlty?

Apologies then. Off to another beer and another good youtube song. Cheers, mate

 

[Wee Buster]

Glad the Germans are out - moralising on a grand stage forgetting that they had permanently stained Europe in blood - good riddance - woke pish

 

[Blue Zebra]

I do apologise, I was just having a joke and I had hoped that was conveyed in the way I had posted.

FFS, my favourite band in Helloween, I love the Germans

Same as below. Apologies from my side, too ;need to get adopted to your sense of humour, . So deep into everything Rangers . Helloween, better check out old ACCEPT. Cheers

 

[DocStone]

Same as below. Apologies from my side, too ;need to get adopted to your sense of humour, . So deep into everything Rangers . Helloween, better check out old ACCEPT. Cheers

Accept rule mate

 

[tazzabear]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598410546482651180

Brilliant.
Exactly the point I made earlier.

 

[tazzabear]

Hardly conclusive is it?

Without imagery that draws the line it's still incredbily subjective to the naked eye IMO.

One of the reasons the goal had to stand!

 

[sammy1872]

The problem now is, whatever someone proves one way or another, it will be forever questioned.

One for the conspiracy theorists.

The answer then is goal like technology right around the perimeter . Wonder how much that would cost to prevent a situation like tonight that happens once a year

 

[GavCo]

The answer then is goal like technology right around the perimeter . Wonder how much that would cost to prevent a situation like tonight that happens once a year

The ref on ITV said the goal line tech would have the definitive answer as it sees beyond the goals

 

[instructor]

On ITV news the ball looked out to me but I don't think they have the technology to prove it. Incredible Japan in this group.

 

[sammy1872]

The heart breaking thing of tonight is I’ve went from kents chance would likely have been ruled out to there’s a damn good chance if it goes in we are are Europa league champions

 

[Sunnyvale_Loyal]

Hilarious that Germany is out.

Coupled with the fact that Italy failed to qualify I'm quite pleased.

 

[Sunnyvale_Loyal]

Nobody likes to see Die ManShaft flop

I fvcking do.

 

[ferris72]

Football fans are learning what tennis fans have known for years, about the whole of the ball, including its curvature, crossing the whole of the line.

#HawkeyeLoyal

doesn't hawkeye in tennis only go by the part that touches the ground though?
we've seen calls that show the slightest gap between the hawkeye 'mark' and the line.
The ball would have to be flattened fully in half for the curvature not to be hanging over the line.

 

[ferris72]

In 56 years time. As Tyldesley did tonight.

and Ally replied, 'where was VAR in 66??? maybe that would have changed things'

All went quiet after that

 

[kensington blue nose]

It's impossible for the naked eye to judge where the spherics of the ball start and finish so it's always been a case of if the contact area of the ball is out then the ball is out of play

It's impossible for the naked eye to judge where the spherics of the ball start and finish so it's always been a case of if the contact area of the ball is out then the ball is out of play.

It's up to VAR to prove that the spherics of the ball mean it hasn't left the field of play and thus far they haven't proved it. We need to see what the official who overruled the onfield officials saw.

Should be quite easy to produce these I imagine.

Utter tripe

 

[Bigeye]

Terrible,terrible rule, only a Hi tech camera can make that decision. If that ball is at 50 pitches its a bye kick.

 

[Nescafe_loyal]

If spain score that goal its dissalowed and nobody makes a fuss.

Match fixing happened today. No more world cup for me.

 

[HMS.Temple.Garden]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598447441170386962

 

[Shotas_Dance_Teacher]

Thanks for that.

Definitive angle.

Ball was in play.

All I can think, Roofe cutback - Kent fires it home. Last kick of the ball - goal stands.

 

[Bigeye]

That photo in post #1039......the crossbar is not in line with the goal line. Its the angle of the dangle.

 

[Henrywatson115]

All that done tonight was bring back the Ryan Kent chance in the final ....horror story .those who said the ball was out that night ,after seeing that tonight nochance

 

[gers1978]

doesn't hawkeye in tennis only go by the part that touches the ground though?
we've seen calls that show the slightest gap between the hawkeye 'mark' and the line.
The ball would have to be flattened fully in half for the curvature not to be hanging over the line.

Hawkeye doesn't "look" at images of where the ball landed at all.

 

[gers1978]

All those now feeling worse/sick about the Ryan Kent thing - it didn't go in.

 

[China Bear]

The Parallax error in all angles available suggests to me, the goal should have been chopped off

 

[Mr_Miscellaneous]

Honestly though, the absolute stupidity of Hansi Flick. A league manager in charge of a national team.

There are three games in the group stages, not 30 odd in a league season and 6 in a European Group stage. You need to win your first game, avoid defeat in the second and then see what you have to do in the 3rd game.

There is no time to "make up for lost points".

He had a striker with 10 goals in 12 games in the Bundesliga and benches him for old man Muller in the first game to play out of position and lead the line. Fullkrug plays 66 minutes over three games, scores 2 goals and gets an assist.

 

[Roger Daltrey]

Japan have been pretty lucky. But they are a good watch. doubt they'll go far though

 

[tazzabear]

If spain score that goal its dissalowed and nobody makes a fuss.

Match fixing happened today. No more world cup for me.

Whit?

 

[tazzabear]

All those now feeling worse/sick about the Ryan Kent thing - it didn't go in.

Let’s them add to their argument against Kent though.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

Forget the goal.

The big incident and major talking point for me is that a Japanese player in the second half went down in a heap after going up for header and it WAS a legitimate foul.

PS, they were worth their win in the second half.

 

[ferris72]

Hawkeye doesn't "look" at images of where the ball landed at all.

ok