Covid providing opportunity for possible British set up?

BertieRFC

Active Member
Supply and Demand, its the basics of capitalism. We are just as big as most of their top 7 Our only falter being geography!

Ask Swansea or Cardiff how that's worked out for them, then tell me how it can never happen etc lol

You don't get if you don't ask.
I'd absolutely love to see it
 

DonDraper

Member
I don’t see how it would lead to the end of national teams. Probably only two Scottish clubs would ever be involved.

Derry City got permission to play in the League of Ireland, so even before these unprecedented times there was flexibility.

Much will hinge on what the next 12 months brings.
There is flexibly within the rule book, Derry moved for securit reasons. Just because you fancy it is n T a reason. Why don’t Ajax aopply to join the EPL?
 

Orange Man

Active Member
I would love us give the 2 year notice period to the SPFL with our intention to leave.
Would we get offers? who knows.
But this backwater of a country is going down the drain.
The crap begins with an S- SNP and SPFL.
Oh to be rid of them.
 

DonDraper

Member
Mate I used to think the same, but I now believe we are living in a world where a significant proportion of people do not accept any organisation which says, "You can't do this or that." UEFA and FIFA are busted. Big clubs across Europe despise them. They would happily stab each other to ensure their own survival as the controlling body. Once this pandemic is hopefully over I can see a new reality dawning in football. Self preservation is all. When the dead and severely wounded of the clubs are all lying in the street, the strong will come along, help those that they think can bring something to the party and put a couple of rounds in those that have had their day. We need to be in a position to be at the party, or involved in deciding who gets an invite.
UEFA and FIFA are not busted, most of the big clubs like the protective n that they give them which keeps them big and keeps the likes of us away from the big table. Rangers aren’t strong enough, have the update influence nor the funds to follow them s through. Change will be coming but we it won’t be because of anything we do
 

deedle

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There is flexibly within the rule book, Derry moved for securit reasons. Just because you fancy it is n T a reason. Why don’t Ajax aopply to join the EPL?
They’re not in a neighbouring country.

I’m not saying it’s definitely going to happen - just that I don’t agree it’s completely impossible, especially since TV money and the advertising and sponsorship that go along with it drive modern football.

Also, we don’t know as yet how many clubs will be left.
 

DonDraper

Member
I would love us give the 2 year notice period to the SPFL with our intention to leave.
Would we get offers? who knows.
But this backwater of a country is going down the drain.
The crap begins with an S- SNP and SPFL.
Oh to be rid of them.
You can’t hand in your notice, you have to have the permission of the SFA to move forward with a league move
 

DonDraper

Member
They’re not in a neighbouring country.

I’m not saying it’s definitely going to happen - just that I don’t agree it’s completely impossible, especially since TV money and the advertising and sponsorship that go along with it drive modern football.

Also, we don’t know as yet how many clubs will be left.
They have every bit as much right to play in England as we have, Porto to La liga
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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Im not sure what away supports are like in the premiership. I’m sure the big clubs always sell out their away allocations. But would clubs like stoke benefit from having another club guaranteed to bring an absolute smeg load of fans?
We wouldn't be getting any more tickets than what the away teams usually get in their league.

Most clubs usually have enough support to fill most of their ground. I've been to see southend v wolves and there was no big travelling support from Wolverhampton. They had the area for the usual away fans as the rest of the ground was more or less full.

It's a non starter and people thinking all sorts of clubs are going to dissapear are kidding themselves. Most will survive, they may have to cut back, but they'll still be here.

European leagues are going to happen in the future, with the bigger clubs still in their own leagues, but using their resources more in europe and treating there own leagues the way they do with the domestic cups.

Put it this way. Clubs down south would rather finish 4th than win any of the cups. Follow the money, that is now the main prize in football.
 

Galstonian Blue

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We wouldn't be getting any more tickets than what the away teams usually get in their league.

Most clubs usually have enough support to fill most of their ground. I've been to see southend v wolves and there was no big travelling support from Wolverhampton. They had the area for the usual away fans as the rest of the ground was more or less full.

It's a non starter and people thinking all sorts of clubs are going to dissapear are kidding themselves. Most will survive, they may have to cut back, but they'll still be here.

European leagues are going to happen in the future, with the bigger clubs still in their own leagues, but using their resources more in europe and treating there own leagues the way they do with the domestic cups.

Put it this way. Clubs down south would rather finish 4th than win any of the cups. Follow the money, that is now the main prize in football.
So the possibility of british leagues amalgamating is a non starter but the rich clubs from all different countries can get together for a big knees up and thats ok?

Cant have it both ways
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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So the possibility of british leagues amalgamating is a non starter but the rich clubs from all different countries can get together for a big knees up and thats ok?

Cant have it both ways
That's the way its heading. Teams are more or less playing in a European league as it is, look at the amount of games Rangers played just to get to the last 16.

This next tournament that's been spoke about is going along the lines of something that's been discussed with UEFA. 3 leagues of 20 for starters. We better make sure we're in a position to start in the 2nd league.
 

AlfiesBarnet

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Yes they are
They are not. They are nation States. Scotland is like Alabama in how it self governs everything but tax and defence or federal matters as part of a larger Federation or State. Tax revenues are paid to the UK, not Scotland.

Uefa is club football remember, and it makes £ as a corporation, puting it under the jurisdiction of EU tax laws. For example, if Amazon wanted to move its HQ to UK, it wouldn't matter which part of the UK as the tax is the same. That same reason is the one that allows a Welsh PL team to move to England.

The only thing stopping it happening is ignorance.
Yes they are
UK is the state, or country. Scotlands a nation state. Roughly similar to a US state within a union which handles its federalised matters.

UEFA operates under EU tax laws. We pay taxes to UK, not Scotland. As do Swansea, and Cardiff too. Like sky would pass off the chance chance
Wit fucking school did you go to? Hahahaha!
One which knew the difference between a state and a nation state.
 

marmaladebear

Active Member
UEFA and FIFA are not busted, most of the big clubs like the protective n that they give them which keeps them big and keeps the likes of us away from the big table. Rangers aren’t strong enough, have the update influence nor the funds to follow them s through. Change will be coming but we it won’t be because of anything we do
I do think we need to be in a position to react to whatever the fall out is in a UK setting. Still think things will not be the same after all this. Maybe wishful thinking but I don't think we're exactly without any influence outside of Scotland. If it's as you say Castore must be barking up the wrong tree then if they see us as one of the top 3-5 clubs they are wishing to have an association with going forward.
 

Luca Stroppi

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If there is the widespread devastation of clubs going out of business there’s a case for it happening then. We all know in normal circumstances they don’t really need us or want the added competition from a huge club like ourselves but that could change if clubs cease to exist, the cross border aspect is clearly not as water tight an argument as some like to make out it is, it’s already happening as mentioned and is actively being explored in other countries as well with the Dutch and Belgian clubs possibly merging leagues. I would bite their hands off for a start in league 2 right now in order to leave this absolute toilet behind forever.
 

Kingging

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Over the coming months many clubs will regrettably disappear across Europe. Something will need to be done to fill the gaps.
Personally I'd like us and other like minded clubs to tell the sfa and the spfl to do one and approach the fa and ask it to be the authority for clubs in Scotland too. No reason we couldn't form the northernmost wing of their regional set up at their 6th tier. All clubs would find their own level in the following years. Once a few leave the SFA then the rest will follow
 

The_Hammer1990

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They are not. They are nation States. Scotland is like Alabama in how it self governs everything but tax and defence or federal matters as part of a larger Federation or State. Tax revenues are paid to the UK, not Scotland.

Uefa is club football remember, and it makes £ as a corporation, puting it under the jurisdiction of EU tax laws. For example, if Amazon wanted to move its HQ to UK, it wouldn't matter which part of the UK as the tax is the same. That same reason is the one that allows a Welsh PL team to move to England.

The only thing stopping it happening is ignorance.


UK is the state, or country. Scotlands a nation state. Roughly similar to a US state within a union which handles its federalised matters.

UEFA operates under EU tax laws. We pay taxes to UK, not Scotland. As do Swansea, and Cardiff too. Like sky would pass off the chance chance


One which knew the difference between a state and a nation state.
It’s %^*& all like a US Federation state.

At this point I neither have the time or patience to argue how wrong you are, I’m sure 5mins I’d googling will show how stupid the above quote is.
 

Cambuslang Bear

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We didn’t create the idea, that was a Murray PR spin. A breakaway outside of UEFA, are you serious?
What's with the negativity? The OP raises a good point worth discussing. Whether is a possibilty or not, it is definitely worth discussing. Even more so that there is not much else to discuss in a football sense.
 

Thornliebank_Bear

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This must be the thousandth different time somebody has started a nonsense thread about us moving to England. It's never going to happen. Never. There are no circumstances that could bring it about.
Its probaably more than a thousand right enough but despite all the rage no one has explained why it wont happen. Just that Man City dont need us which no ones even suggested.

We are never going to move to the top league i think that can be completely ruled out but tv coverage would be far more interesting and popular at League 1 level with Rangers in that division. Plenty in the english media would back Rangers but ofcourse there would be some anger too we need the support of the government im sure big Boris would listen he already has an idea about the kind of poison in control up here and frauds at the SNP.

I would absolutely love to be playing a match against some lower league side even Burton or Lincoln with match officials that wont be cheating. The excitement of a proper cup draw. When the new season kicks off here we will see our refs desperately motivated to prove how much they enjoy being an important part of the cabel. No one, least of all the refs, wants to clean the game its Rangers and thats it.

Its gone too far now in Scotland, its more than football its about religion and politics, bigotry too, its a fix there is no point being part of bent competition even loyal fans wont keep paying for it, players will want out too, the club has to do everything to make a move to the English system.

We are a British club its not the same as mainland europe, why shouldnt we be allowed to play there same as Welsh clubs or other sports that have Scottish teams involved ?
 

Tugay83

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Its probaably more than a thousand right enough but despite all the rage no one has explained why it wont happen. Just that Man City dont need us which no ones even suggested.

We are never going to move to the top league i think that can be completely ruled out but tv coverage would be far more interesting and popular at League 1 level with Rangers in that division. Plenty in the english media would back Rangers but ofcourse there would be some anger too we need the support of the government im sure big Boris would listen he already has an idea about the kind of poison in control up here and frauds at the SNP.

I would absolutely love to be playing a match against some lower league side even Burton or Lincoln with match officials that wont be cheating. The excitement of a proper cup draw. When the new season kicks off here we will see our refs desperately motivated to prove how much they enjoy being an important part of the cabel. No one, least of all the refs, wants to clean the game its Rangers and thats it.

Its gone too far now in Scotland, its more than football its about religion and politics, bigotry too, its a fix there is no point being part of bent competition even loyal fans wont keep paying for it, players will want out too, the club has to do everything to make a move to the English system.

We are a British club its not the same as mainland europe, why shouldnt we be allowed to play there same as Welsh clubs or other sports that have Scottish teams involved ?
we are not moving to England because we cannot be parachuted into league 1 or 2. Even if we were to move, which would never happen, we would need to start at the very bottom of the football league pyramid. That's at least 11 leagues below the premier league. What part ofnthe word never is so hard to understand?
 

TwoBadMice

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I know for a fact that League 2 Clubs in England are discussing the possibility of not playing football until next spring 2021 at the earliest because they cant afford to do so behind closed doors and pay for 100’s of tests this came from someone who was on the league’s conference call last week

I honestly wouldn’t dismiss the possibility of us being offered a slot in league 2 however unlikely it is these are unprecedented times in the sport and money dictates
 

Thornliebank_Bear

Well-Known Member
we are not moving to England because we cannot be parachuted into league 1 or 2. Even if we were to move, which would never happen, we would need to start at the very bottom of the football league pyramid. That's at least 11 leagues below the premier league. What part ofnthe word never is so hard to understand?
I think what you mean is you dont want it to happen.

Thats where the panic seems to come from if it was so ridiculous there would be one or two pointing out why and not just screaming Noooooooooooooooo, all the time. They dont even know who we are.

Id just add i have no problem with people saying they prefer scottish football to the lower leagues in England be be great to win this league against course it would, with these refs that will never happen.:))
 
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