Cryptic Kent Speaks

AriseSirWalter

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You have just said Jones’ performance yesterday was better than anything Kent did last season.

For that alone, it’s just not with worth debating with you.
Serious?

What game last season would you say was Kent’s best performance?

Mate it’s a genuine question, I really hope that we get Kent back but if Jones’ last two performances is indicative of his ‘level’ then it’s not obvious Kent is the better player. He may well be but it’s not as clear cut as you made out.
 

Hap Hapablap

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Hearts at Ho
Serious?

What game last season would you say was Kent’s best performance?

Mate it’s a genuine question, I really hope that we get Kent back but if Jones’ last two performances is indicative of his ‘level’ then it’s not obvious Kent is the better player. He may well be but it’s not as clear cut as you made out.
Hearts at home and the scum at home, 2 for a start.

And in response to the attributes you mentioned in an earlier post, Kent is faster, better acceleration, is better at cutting inside and decision making.

I like Jones but to argue he is anywhere near as good as Kent is absolute madness.
 

AriseSirWalter

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Hearts at Ho

Hearts at home and the scum at home, 2 for a start.

And in response to the attributes you mentioned in an earlier post, Kent is faster, better acceleration, is better at cutting inside and decision making.

I like Jones but to argue he is anywhere near as good as Kent is absolute madness.
Ok, we’ll see Jones’ stats this season and compare to Kent’s last season.
 

Rt. Hon. Bearman

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I really don’t see why Liverpool won’t loan him out to us, given he clearly isn’t in contention for a first team place with them, and given that English sides now cannot sign players until January. He’s not going to be signed by an English side now. I don’t see how their stubbornness benefits anyone.

If they loan him to us he’ll strengthen our side which makes us more likely to win the league and to make progress in Europe. This in turn makes us more able to pay a transfer fee to them next summer.
 

steve1873

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He doesn’t replace JJ now
Yes he does. They could also both feature in same team or one might be more suited to a particular opponent.

Options!

Jones has had 2 very good performances this week.

Kent was arguably after Morelos and Tav our best player last season. The assist stat is misleading. He was part of a huge amount of our goals last season, even if he didn't play the final pass in a large amount of them!
 

subversive_bear

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It's a bit weird that Liverpool were prepared to let Ejaria go back on loan to Reading when he also seems to be finished at Anfield. Presumably they felt like they could get a bigger fee for Kent right now.
 

grascots

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I think we can accommodate both if we qualify for the group stages and hopefullyprigress further
 

Danger Zone

Just the tip...
Using your eyes to see what though?

What makes him a lot better in your opinion?
His ball control is better, he’s got more in his locker when it comes to dribbling, and he’s quicker in my opinion.

Early signs are very good with Jones, but you’re jumping the gun here, and for all the talk of his Hibs performance being more effective than anything Kent produced here, Jones created 1 goal out of 6 mate. Time to calm it a bit.
 

Polar bear

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Yes he does. They could also both feature in same team or one might be more suited to a particular opponent.

Options!

Jones has had 2 very good performances this week.

Kent was arguably after Morelos and Tav our best player last season. The assist stat is misleading. He was part of a huge amount of our goals last season, even if he didn't play the final pass in a large amount of them!
Ryan Jack was always our best player,IMHO.
 

Worthy_Candidate

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His ball control is better, he’s got more in his locker when it comes to dribbling, and he’s quicker in my opinion.

Early signs are very good with Jones, but you’re jumping the gun here, and for all the talk of his Hibs performance being more effective than anything Kent produced here, Jones created 1 goal out of 6 mate. Time to calm it a bit.
Kent is/was the most two footed player we have had for many a year.

Opponents don’t know whether he is going left or right. Effective as Jones is, he cannot do what Ryan Kent can do.

What a boost to the support and squad should we somehow get him back up the road.

Even as a psychological hit, it would have us going tonto and have the tarrier filling his already soiled breeks.
 

AriseSirWalter

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His ball control is better, he’s got more in his locker when it comes to dribbling, and he’s quicker in my opinion.

Early signs are very good with Jones, but you’re jumping the gun here, and for all the talk of his Hibs performance being more effective than anything Kent produced here, Jones created 1 goal out of 6 mate. Time to calm it a bit.
All I’m saying is I disagree that Kent is many levels above Jones which was the post I responded to. With the caveat that it’s very early days.

Kent may very well be the better player but if Jones’ recent performances are what we can expect then there’s not much in it.

Jones had a go a their defence pretty much every time he got the ball at the weekend, Kent may have more tricks in his locker but the ones Jones has served him very well yesterday.

I sit one row back in WE just in line with the 18 yard box which means I get a great view of the left winger in our first halves of matches and can tell you that Jones showed much more desire to run at defences than Kent did.
 

Hipster Dashie

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Think we would be best leaving Kent to find his way forward. In all fairness he will get better offers than we can provide when he has freedom of contract.

He would be daft not to maximise his income, he has a short career. We have signed Brandon Barker we are better putting our efforts into him and Jones. We can only play two wingers. Likely a lot of games we only play one.

Kent gave us some class memories. That punch on Brown assures him legend status.

Sometimes though we have to look at the bigger picture.
 

Teddyjohn

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What does that mean? As far as I can tell Kent’s only successful stint has been at SPFL which is the level Jones is operating at, Jones is also an internationalist.

Instead of talking about undefined ‘levels’ how would you compare both players in terms of;

- speed
- acceleration
- technical ability
- defensive discipline
- effectiveness i.e. goals/assists

For as much as we all loved him, Kent wasn’t always the most effective, one of our biggest criticisms of the team last season was our inability to break down teams that sat in, that was what we wanted from Kent. In terms of speed, acceleration and effectiveness early signs are favourable for Jones.

Jones might also struggle against teams who sit in or he might not do it against cel’ic which Kent did to be fair but Jones’ performance against hibs was more effective than anything Kent done last season.
Pointing out that Jones is an internationalist is a bit daft considering one is English and the other is playing for Northern Ireland. Also, Jones wasn’t an internationalist when he was Kent’s age.

The early signs with Jones are very promising but we should be looking to strengthen as much as possible.
 

longtimedead

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I’d like to think that Ryan kent would never consider treating us the way he seems to be treating Liverpool.

If he is engineering a move away from the club that gave him an opportunity to develop and display his talent then he is forgetting the simplest of values - loyalty
 

AriseSirWalter

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Pointing out that Jones is an internationalist is a bit daft considering one is English and the other is playing for Northern Ireland. Also, Jones wasn’t an internationalist when he was Kent’s age.

The early signs with Jones are very promising but we should be looking to strengthen as much as possible.
I only mentioned internationalist to highlight that talk of ‘levels’ makes no sense, if you’re comparing players you should talk about their different attributes. ‘Levels’ tells you nothing.

I agree, I want Kent back. I only commented in here because I took exception to someone saying Kent is many levels above Jones.
 

Big Blue Bear

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I’d like to think that Ryan kent would never consider treating us the way he seems to be treating Liverpool.

If he is engineering a move away from the club that gave him an opportunity to develop and display his talent then he is forgetting the simplest of values - loyalty
Yes thats true but the same club is holding him back
 

bilkobear

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I would have Ryan Kent back in a heartbeat.
Still on a learning curve and surely will only get better.
Gerrard will make him.
He could well become another Laudrup.
He has all the tools in his locker already.
He just requires a bit more training from the Master.
 

Papasmurf

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I would have Ryan Kent back in a heartbeat.
Still on a learning curve and surely will only get better.
Gerrard will make him.
He could well become another Laudrup.
He has all the tools in his locker already.
He just requires a bit more training from the Master.
Said it midway through last season that Kent would excel in a similar role to what laudrup had. Not on the same playing field talent wise (yet). But skilful, two footed, strong, fast and very determined.
 

Ricksen

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I'm glad the Millenial-Loyal are dumbfounded and embarrassed at the idea someone may have read the most influential book in human history. It cements my feelings for the future of the world.
Despite being an atheist I don’t feel embarrassed or dumbfounded, I couldn’t give a crap what his views on the supernatural are. I desperately wanted him back.
 

Rfc loyal

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Think we would be best leaving Kent to find his way forward. In all fairness he will get better offers than we can provide when he has freedom of contract.

He would be daft not to maximise his income, he has a short career. We have signed Brandon Barker we are better putting our efforts into him and Jones. We can only play two wingers. Likely a lot of games we only play one.

Kent gave us some class memories. That punch on Brown assures him legend status.

Sometimes though we have to look at the bigger picture.
The punch didn’t behave yourself
 
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